***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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It just sucks that much worse because we had our chances
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Amazing how the Rangers bullpen was a completely different group in the postseason than they were all year.

Just gotta hand it to them.
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agdaddy04 said:

Who had a worse record? I thought I looked earlier this week and it was the worst.
Marlins (38-43 on the road). Although similar to the DBacks, you could argue the Marlins aren't a real playoff team
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Jack Boyette said:

Amazing how the Rangers bullpen was a completely different group in the postseason than they were all year.

Just gotta hand it to them.


Last 3 champs won off of stellar bullpens.

Hopefully that means we shore up on pitching this offseason
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Ah geez, completely forgot they made the postseason.
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Eovaldi has to be the WS MVP

This guy was unhittable (Well, un-scoreable with RISP....) in the playoffs and I don't think he's THAT good....
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Do they get an asterisk for bringing in a known cheating pitcher aka Sticky Fingers Scherzer who obviously shared his talents with the rest of their pitching staff?

We all know how seriously their fans take cheating.
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So what changed for their pitching in the postseason? I'm sure that will be studied for a bit. Quite impressive
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Still wild to me the Rangers have $815MM tied up with 4 guys. Seager's contract is massive but might be worth every penny
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tjack16 said:

Jack Boyette said:

Amazing how the Rangers bullpen was a completely different group in the postseason than they were all year.

Just gotta hand it to them.


Last 3 champs won off of stellar bullpens.

Hopefully that means we shore up on pitching this offseason


I'm aware. I'm saying they didn't have one…and then they did.
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tjack16 said:

Jack Boyette said:

Amazing how the Rangers bullpen was a completely different group in the postseason than they were all year.

Just gotta hand it to them.

Last 3 champs won off of stellar bullpens.

Hopefully that means we shore up on pitching this offseason


I'd contend that it was their starting pitching depth that helped win it. It shortened their actual bullpen use and reduced it to Sborz, Chapman and Leclerc.

Heaney, Dunning and Perez were changed from SP to relief roles, and that was a game changer for them.
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Seems fairly apparent the Stros are probably celebrating B2B titles right now with a decent manager at the helm, much less Bochy. Good news is we can now officially retire a season that began, proceeded, and ended extremely meh and go ahead and get a new manager in hopefully short order.
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Kashchei said:

It just sucks that much worse because we had our chances


It's baseball. We could have swept the rangers and then lost to Arizona. **** gets weird
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agdaddy04 said:

So what changed for their pitching in the postseason? I'm sure that will be studied for a bit. Quite impressive


Honestly could have just been simple motivation after hearing how much they sucked. Or just huge confidence boost after winning two in Tampa.

Our bullpen got hot midseason last year and never slowed down. Watching them this year it's clear our 2022 bullpen played above their heads for a few months. I'm guessing that happened with the rangers too. Especially Sborz. Just hot streak at the right time
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Aggie8587 said:

Still wild to me the Rangers have $815MM tied up with 4 guys. Seager's contract is massive but might be worth every Penny

It's only overpaying if you don't win.
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100%

Our bullpen was great last year because we had 7 good starters on the team.
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An AL West with the last 2 WS champs in it now. This is gonna make this rivalry really good.

I hope this lights a fire under our guys and FO that we need to punch back.
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Mariners like "haha, we're in danger"
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Ag_07 said:

An AL West with the last 2 WS champs in it now. This is gonna make this rivalry really good.

I hope this lights a fire under our guys and FO that we need to punch back.



I liked it better when they were doormats
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Don't worry guys we're still Cancun World Series Champs!!

No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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Imagine [Imaging being able to post when not being banned for trolling. -Staff]
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Snoozefest over? Good.
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I'm just glad it's over so we can focus on the details of our team moving forward. Excited to see what we put together.
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5 days until we can sign Ohtani.
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SECcess12 said:

I'm just glad it's over so we can focus on the details of our team moving forward. Excited to see what we put together.


Hopefully because of this season Crane will realize he's not the smartest man in the room and lets the experts make the real decisions.
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Farmer1906 said:

5 days until we can sign Ohtani.


Sign Ohtani
Trade for Soto
Win 120 games and go undefeated in playoffs
Kashchei
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Posters on other forums still butthurt about 2017. They can't even celebrate a championship win without thinking of big brother.
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dixichkn said:

Beau Holder said:

Tried my darndest to watch a full Rockets game tonight and didn't see if this has been posted already.


Athletic is behind a paywall. Summary?


Brown holding out for a manager who will work with the front office, play the best players, and Crane wanting to move faster and has 'baseball men' like Bagwell in his ear.

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BadAggie said:

dixichkn said:

Beau Holder said:

Tried my darndest to watch a full Rockets game tonight and didn't see if this has been posted already.


Athletic is behind a paywall. Summary?


Brown holding out for a manager who will work with the front office, play the best players, and Crane wanting to move faster and has 'baseball men' like Bagwell in his ear.




Clearly what was stated previously about FO having control over lineups in the playoffs was absolute BS
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BadAggie said:

dixichkn said:

Beau Holder said:

Tried my darndest to watch a full Rockets game tonight and didn't see if this has been posted already.


Athletic is behind a paywall. Summary?


Brown holding out for a manager who will work with the front office, play the best players, and Crane wanting to move faster and has 'baseball men' like Bagwell in his ear.




Crane needs to **** off. We did it his way this season and look where that got us.

If I'm Dana I tell Crane that he brought me in to be the GM. I put up with a donkey for one season, now I get to pick my man. If not, I'm out.
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I really hope Crane doesn't decide to hire another older manager after watching Bochy win another one.
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Jack Boyette said:

Amazing how the Rangers bullpen was a completely different group in the postseason than they were all year.

Just gotta hand it to them.

I felt like Make Maddox and Bochy are old true baseball heads . They would pull guys but they also let guys work and for whatever reason it worked out.
They had awareness of what each pitcher was working on pregame and could do in game
Bochy would gripe at the Umps during challenges and it kind of reminded the Umpires to not mess around on called strikes.

Accountability to pitchers and umpires

Of course good luck or blessings are needed each at bat as well to get outs
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Kashchei said:

Posters on other forums still butthurt about 2017. They can't even celebrate a championship win without thinking of big brother.
Don't you remember how much we talked about the Rangers after we won our first championship?
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So I think playoff baseball post 2019 has proven that the division championship really doesn't mean much. The key is just to get in. So next year that's what I want.. just get in.

This is now 4 years in a row where a division winner was ousted in the playoffs by another team in their own division

2020: A's won AL west, eliminated by Astros

2021: Rays won AL East, eliminated by Red Sox… Giants win NL West, eliminated by Dodgers

2022: Braves won NL East, eliminated by Phillies .. Dodgers win NL West, eliminated by Padres

2023: Dodgers win NL West, eliminated by DBacks
Braves win NL East, eliminated by Phillies
Astros win AL West, eliminated by Rangers
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AL Playoff this season: Home team record of 4-14, outscored 99 to 56.

Don't know if that kind of disparity will ever be repeated.
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