***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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Double header would need to be on second day to ensure no day off.

In Japan teams with a better record in round 2 start a 7 games series up 1 game - 0. MLB needs to weigh the regular season more. It's 162 freakin games
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HarryRocket said:

Double header would need to be on second day to ensure no day off.

In Japan teams with a better record in round 2 start a 7 games series up 1 game - 0. MLB needs to weigh the regular season more. It's 162 freakin games
This is interesting.


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Both leagues play a regular season, after which the top three teams in each league compete against one another in a two-stage playoff. In the first stage, the teams that finish the regular season with the second- and third-best records play one another in a best-of-three series. The winners of these three-game series advance to the final stage to face each league's regular-season champion in a six-game series, which the regular-season champion starts with a one-game advantage. The winners of each league's final stage series compete against one another in that year's Japan Series.

This sounds pretty damn fair.
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Farmer1906 said:



I would imagine Smell & Monty will be 130-160 ranges based on that.
The more I think about it, the more I think this could be a mistake in Philly.

Stuff+ (overall)
2020: 119
2021: 107
2022: 106
2023: 101

Stuff+ (curve, #1 pitch usage)
2020: 147
2021: 126
2022: 129
2023: 118

Stuff+ (4 seam, #2 pitch usage)
2020: 114
2021: 103
2022: 106
2023: 95

Per the Statcast Percentile Rankings the following were the lowest of his career in 2023
xBA
xSLG
xISO
Brl
Brl%

Not EV, HH%, K%, or Whiff% but they were all way down.

Finally, he's a horse. And that's a great thing... except he's racked up some miles and hasn't had any major injuries. Is he due? Seems like no one avoid TJ these days.

Since 2017 - 2nd in IP (Cole #1)
Since 2019 - 3rd in IP (Cole & Sandy)
Since 2021 - 3rd in IP (Cole & Sandy)
Since 2023 - 10th in IP

He also has another 48.2 IP in the postseason which occurred in 22 & 23 only.

If I am looking at these #s, no way I give him the 11th largest (4th active) pitching contract of all time.

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agproducer said:

Fun parody account to watch.

Yes, I know this is fake.




See, I get the funny but fictional quotes and comments... but outright lies like this make no sense. It's not entertaining and everyone already knows nothing they report is true. What's the point?
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Marvin said:

agproducer said:

Fun parody account to watch.

Yes, I know this is fake.




See, I get the funny but fictional quotes and comments... but outright lies like this make no sense. It's not entertaining and everyone already knows nothing they report is true. What's the point?
It started out as one of the many fake accounts that try to get attention and followers by putting out bogus and outrageous headlines and try to look legit. Then people started following it because they thought it was funny.
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I'm with you. My buddy sends me these all the time and I don't get the appeal whatsoever. I don't even like the fake quote ones… I think they're annoying and wish they'd go away.
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Love that the Astros take care of the rest of the staff.

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Looks like we figured out our postseason home losses.

redline248
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I imagine Jose Lima's ghost wandering around singing about Casa Ole
tjack16
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I mean it was a house of horrors for the Astros this past season
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For the love of the game
Farmer1906
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2-5 vs girls aint great. Step it up.
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Farmer1906
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Ultimate Offseason Topic - Astros Mount Rushmore.

Who are the most important, best, influential, statistically impressive, etc (however you define it)?

Here are the rules:
1. Pick 8 Players. 4 for your "A" Mount Rushmore & 4 for your "B" Mount Rushmore.
-2 points for A, 1 point for B.
2. Must be at least 1 pitcher or 1 position player meaning it can't be 4 pitchers or 4 position players.
3. Do not pick more than 8.

I will tally up the scores in a day.


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Group A
Jose Altuve
Craig Biggio
Jeff Bagwell
Nolan Ryan

Group B
Jose Cruz
Larry Dierker
Lance Berkman
Justin Verlander

Just missed: Alex Bregman, Roy Oswalt, Mike Scott

These are not necessarily just the outright best players, but my mix of quality, time with the team, notoriety, championship contribution, and accounting for life outside of playing career (coaching, presence, ambassador, etc.)
iamtheglove
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A: Altuve, Bagwell, Biggio, JR Richard

B: Berkman, Cedeno, Ryan, Wagner

Just missed: Jose Cruz
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There is no one right way to define it. Maybe JV has proven good enough to be on it but you don't like that he's just as well known as a Tiger than Astro. Maybe you hold postseason in the highest regard so Springer, Alvarez, & Correa all make it. It'll be fine to see what we end up with.
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Cards loading up of mediocre starting pitching.
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Theoretically if JV goes in with a star on his hat….does he become a best ever Astro?
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A: Altuve, Biggio, and Yordan based upon postseason as well as projection. Bagwell belongs, but you're making me put on a pitcher. I'd probably go with Oswalt.

B: Berkman, Bagwell, Wags, and CC.

Just missed: Dierker (because he's so unique in his accomplishments) and Nolan.
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Group A
  • Jose Altuve
  • Craig Biggio
  • Jeff Bagwell
  • Nolan Ryan

Group B
  • Jose Cruz
  • Lance Berkman
  • Cesar Cedeno
  • Justin Verlander

Really wanted to include Larry Dierker but his place in Astros history is due more to his post playing career than what he did on the bump.
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If we're judging by who's hat you wear in the HOF then, yes, he'd be over Bagwell and Biggio. Not inner circle HOF but likely first ballet.

If it's just "they played for Houston sometime" then the answer is probably Clemens.
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jkag89 said:


Really wanted to include Larry Dierker but his place in Astros history is due more to his post playing career than what he did on the bump.


If that matters to you then do it.

We can our Orbit, Milo, Jim Crane, and Dusty Baker if you really think they belong.
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A: Altuve, Biggio, Ryan, Bagwell

B: Verlander, Berkman, Cruz, Yordan (I'm also anticipating a few years down the road)
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If Correa and Springer had been around for 2022 I'd have a hard time leaving them off.

Them missing out on that second ring is why I'd have Bregman and Verlander ahead of them
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A: Altuve, Biggio, Bagwell, JV

B: Berkman, Cruz, Oswalt, Wagner


Just not enough rock on the mountain for CC (Cesar Cedeno), JRR, Niekro, Ryan, Springer. And Yordan may some day force them to redo all the faces.
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The mole has been planted
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jkag89
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If that matters to you then do it.
I'm OK with my choices. I'll just say that Dierk is a huge reason I love The Game.
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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:



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A: Altuve, Biggio, Bagwell, Verlander

B: Cruz, Cedeno, Berkman, Ryan

C: Springer, Correa, Bregman, Wagner
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Representation update: 11/21/23 - Epcot

4 Astros T-shirts/hats including a Bregman jersey.
0 Rangers anything

Special commendation for the kid wearing a mid 1990s Orlando Magic Black/Blue Shaq jersey.
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Farmer1906 said:

Ultimate Offseason Topic - Astros Mount Rushmore.

Who are the most important, best, influential, statistically impressive, etc (however you define it)?

Here are the rules:
1. Pick 8 Players. 4 for your "A" Mount Rushmore & 4 for your "B" Mount Rushmore.
-2 points for A, 1 point for B.
2. Must be at least 1 pitcher or 1 position player meaning it can't be 4 pitchers or 4 position players.
3. Do not pick more than 8.

I will tally up the scores in a day.



Bump for today. I only have 8 votes.
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A. Altuve, Bagwell, Biggio, Verlander

B. Springer, Wagner, Cruz, Berkman
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