In the early 2000s, there was a fantasy baseball guru that argued against any point system that punished for strikeouts. His philosophy was that a strikeout is no worse than any other out. I have all kinds of thoughts on this, but I'm curious what other people think.
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Is a strike out worse than other outs?
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Last: 2 yr ago by diehard03
Of course. There are productive outs that advance runners and might score runs. A strikeout doesn't do that.
Yes. It completely takes the chance away for the defense to make an error in trying to get you out or being productive in getting a runner closer to scoring. I don't have the data to try and support it, but the idea that an out is an out is not right. Think about a team of Joey Gallos VS a team of Ichiros. Who wins that at a greater clip?
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I'll take a K all day over a GIDP.
As far as fantasy scoring goes -- it probably depends on if the league subtracts points for GIDP. If not, there's probably a decent case to be made that strikeouts shouldn't be punished more than regular outs.
As far as the actual game of baseball goes -- depends on what level of play.
"Productive outs" in the MLB aren't very common. It's the reason analytics more or less killed the sac bunt -- the numbers didn't support giving up an out to move the runner.
So while it's tough for many to get their mind around it -- a strikeout vs "putting the ball in play" in the big leagues really has very little difference.
And while more predictive based than results based, a guy that strikeouts more in the big leagues tends to be a guy that hits for more power. Though you can make the case that's a chicken/egg thing as a guy who strikes out a ton in the big leagues and doesn't hit for power... doesn't stick around in the big leagues to put up much data.
As far as the actual game of baseball goes -- depends on what level of play.
"Productive outs" in the MLB aren't very common. It's the reason analytics more or less killed the sac bunt -- the numbers didn't support giving up an out to move the runner.
So while it's tough for many to get their mind around it -- a strikeout vs "putting the ball in play" in the big leagues really has very little difference.
And while more predictive based than results based, a guy that strikeouts more in the big leagues tends to be a guy that hits for more power. Though you can make the case that's a chicken/egg thing as a guy who strikes out a ton in the big leagues and doesn't hit for power... doesn't stick around in the big leagues to put up much data.
bigjag19 said:
I'll take a K all day over a GIDP.
Well, duh, one is two outs and that's twice as bad as one.
I'd say a K or infield popup is about to same IMO
bigjag19 said:
I'll take a K all day over a GIDP.
Unless that GIDP plates a run
Gramercy Riffs said:bigjag19 said:
I'll take a K all day over a GIDP.
Unless that GIDP plates a run
Most teams will gladly give up a run for GIDP.
Pitching is just ridiculous at this point.
Pete Incaviglia was just 35 years too early to the game. He'd be an All-Star today.
Gramercy Riffs said:bigjag19 said:
I'll take a K all day over a GIDP.
Unless that GIDP plates a run
Not an rbi either
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Most teams will gladly give up a run for GIDP.
When the defense trades a run for 2 outs (due to the value of those men on base), that tells you all you need to know.
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