*****Official Texas Rangers 2022 Season Thread*****

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1:36p, 9/3/22
This just in...

Round Rock is 2.0 GB in the Conf. They have the MO.

Frisco is currently leading the Texas League South. I believe AA still uses First/Second half winners.

It would do a lot mentally if they both won.
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8:18p, 9/3/22
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This showed up on my Facebook timeline. Oops.
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 8:10a, 9/4/22
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'Bout time Kyle got his moment in the spotlight. Other than this, of course:
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10:53a, 9/4/22
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Keuchel DFA'd, King recalled.
Roster at 39, Jung called up soon perhaps?
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1:23p, 9/4/22
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Our pitching sucks.
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 1:24p, 9/4/22
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Tksymm7 said:
Our pitching sucks.


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1:45p, 9/4/22
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On a championship-level team, Dunning is at best a 4th starter, probably the 5th.

IMO, we have exactly one pitcher signed for next season that's a quality starter, and that's Gray (I'm not counting Perez at this point because he hasn't been re-signed, sure hope that happens soon). We also have a crap bullpen and no closer.

The lineup issue in the OF can be addressed internally, but the pitching is going to have to come from elsewhere. I doubt they decide to rush Leiter up, Winn probably needs at least a part of another season in AAA to get himself straight, and Rocker needs a season in the minors as well. I wonder if they might make several "meh" signings for one or two year deals w/ incentives to buy time for the guys in the minors to be ready.

This team is not going to contend in '23 unless pitching is addressed, and unfortunately that means about 4 starters and probably as many relievers.
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In reply to rbtexan • 1:50p, 9/4/22
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Agree somewhat. I think 2 quality starters if one is a true ace and we re-sign Perez. As for releif pictures we need a closer for sure, as for the others I'm torn.


Offense isn't a huge concern but I would like to see another high average hitter in the lineup.
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In reply to rbtexan • 3:33p, 9/4/22
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rbtexan said:
Keuchel DFA'd, King recalled.
Roster at 39, Jung called up soon perhaps?


Jung has been struggling of late, so they may hold off for a bit. This is from todays Scott Lucas update:
"Josh Jung was 1-6 with four strikeouts and has nine Ks in his last 13 trips to the plate. "
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3:47p, 9/4/22
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Boston wins to get the sweep. That's eight losses in a row now for the Rangers.
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3:51p, 9/4/22
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The issues with these team are what they are at this point. Winning doesn't do much for us. I would much rather have a good draft pick to continue to bolster the farm system
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4:12p, 9/4/22
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I would much rather stop sucking and actually close the year decently for a change
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4:26p, 9/4/22
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I've said this before but it bears repeating.

The MLB draft is not like the NFL draft. Every year, there's roughly a handful or two of "can't miss" prospects, usually between 4-10, and typically closer to the lower number than the higher. If you're not picking in the top 4-6 spots in the draft, it really doesn't make much difference between picking 8th and picking 14th. There's also many, many more first round busts in baseball than in football or the NBA. It's a much harder sport to project talent.

So unless you have an opportunity to get in the top 3 or 4, tanking to move up in the draft is pretty much a fool's errand in baseball. The guy you get at 7, in a typical draft, isn't going to be a substantially better prospect than the one you would get at 10-12.

Tanking, or losing "to get a better draft pick", only works if you get in the top 3 or 4, and even that is debatable. Because if you're scouting evaluations are solid, you can still pick a bust - and lots of teams have.
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8:38p, 9/4/22
Losses are good right now. Draft higher.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 8:51p, 9/4/22
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Sooooo...like I said.....as it pertains to the draft, baseball doesn't work like that
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In reply to rbtexan • 9:00p, 9/4/22
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Sooooo...like I said.....as it pertains to the draft, baseball doesn't work like that

I disagree. A higher pick means a higher bonus pool. A larger bonus pool, even if it just a little larger, is never a bad thing.
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In reply to rbtexan • 9:07p, 9/4/22
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rbtexan said:
Sooooo...like I said.....as it pertains to the draft, baseball doesn't work like that


It does if you trust your GM and scouting department. And with the recent success, I trust them
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 9:11p, 9/4/22
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If you go back and review drafts historically, you'll see what I'm talking about. But carry on with the fantasy. We're at about the 11th pick currently, top 5 is out of reach.
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10:07a, 9/5/22
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Josh Jung continues to struggle with Round Rock over the last week plus. 0-4 last night with 2k's. I don't get the feeling he's getting the call soon. They'll want to see if he can get out of this funk himself and then maybe call him up on an upswing.
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10:26a, 9/5/22
Some thoughts

Dunning has never won a road start with the Rangers. Agreed Dunning is no better than a 4/5.

Signing Perez is a must for the Rangers. The longer it drags out, the less likely I feel he signs. If he makes it to FA, then all bets are off. He likely has a team step up and he is priced out of the what the Rangers are willing to pay.

We could live with a rotation at #5 - Otto, If we add another front of the rotation type guy. New addition with Perez, Gray, Dunning, Otto/Ragans/Winn/Others.

Josh Jung is likely pressing feeling the pressure/hope to get called up. RR still 2.0 GB

Frisco still up 2.0 G.

I know the Minors aren't much to crow about, but I think there is much to be said about a winning mentality.

Rangers currently 11th worst record. With 29G remaining, it will take a little bit of commitment, but they could get to both 5. Cincy is 4.5 GB. Keep in mind the draft is a lottery like the NBA for best pick. So, we improve our chances at the #1 overall if we continue to suck.
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10:40a, 9/5/22
While it's a bit of a crapshoot outside the Top 3 in the MLB Draft, it's false to say that a higher draft pick isn't better.

The best case you can make for "not tanking" isn't that the higher draft pick doesn't matter, it's that it might potentially impact how desirable your franchise looks for free agents looking to "win now".
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10:50a, 9/5/22
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The average number of MLB 1st round picks who make it to the majors - not start, not become all-stars, just appear in the majors - is only 66%.

So 1 out of ever 3 players taken in the 1st round wind up being busts. The number is higher if you count the players who make it but aren't significant contributors.

It's anything but a sure thing.
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In reply to rbtexan • 11:02a, 9/5/22
And there's a big difference between "not a sure thing" and "no difference".
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11:27a, 9/5/22
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Tanking for what amounts to a minimal difference is stupid. High risk/low reward
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In reply to rbtexan • 11:33a, 9/5/22
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Tanking for what amounts to a minimal difference is stupid. High risk/low reward

I don't think anyone is a proponent of a purposeful tank, they are simply saying losing more games down the stretch isn't necessarily a bad thing.

And it's silly to on one hand say that improving your draft position from say #11 to #6 is "low reward", but somehow ending the season 22 games under 0.500 instead of 17 games under 0.500 is "high risk".
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 12:05p, 9/5/22
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Respectfully, you're way over-valuing a teams position in the MLB draft.

My point of risk is as it pertains to the Rangers is this: this team has sucked for 5 years. The fan base wants, and deserves, to see a better product on the field. That is not going to be accomplished with a slightly higher draft pick in '23 or '24. In the NFL or NBA, a 1st round pick is not only expected to make the team's roster but to be a contributor. In baseball, that same first round pick might not make it to the majors for 5 years, if ever. It's just not the same, and the difference between 6 and 11 in the draft historically doesn't make a significant difference.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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In reply to rbtexan • 12:12p, 9/5/22
rbtexan said:
Respectfully, you're way over-valuing a teams position in the MLB draft.

My point of risk is as it pertains to the Rangers is this: this team has sucked for 5 years. The fan base wants, and deserves, to see a better product on the field. That is not going to be accomplished with a slightly higher draft pick in '23 or '24. In the NFL or NBA, a 1st round pick is not only expected to make the team's roster but to be a contributor. In baseball, that same first round pick might not make it to the majors for 5 years, if ever. It's just not the same, and the difference between 6 and 11 in the draft historically doesn't make a significant difference.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. You're preaching to the choir on the draft pick analytics - I'm well versed on the percentages.

But you are very much over-valuing the risk of losing the fanbase. The only thing at this point that is going to impact early fan attendance for 2023 is the quality of free agent acquisition we make in the offseason. Being 17 games under 0.500 isn't going to inspire ticket sales significantly more than being 22 games under.

If we were talking about a fringe wildcard contender collapsing late and ending 10 games out? Sure, that will take some wind out of the fandom's sails.

But this team was done by August, they aren't losing/re-capturing anyone based on average play vs poor play the rest of the way.
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12:16p, 9/5/22
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I'm less concerned about capturing new fans and more concerned about actually finishing a season on a high note for the first time in several years. As a fan right now, I'd appreciate some good effort down the stretch to actually win some games, rather than trotting through the motions. Overall, it probably doesn't make much difference one way or the other, I'm just tired of the 'losing is ok' mentality because of some random draft excuse
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In reply to rbtexan • 4:03p, 9/5/22
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Dude…no one is disagreeing with you. It's harder to pinpoint real talent in the MLB draft vs the other sports. But you are a fool if you think it doesn't make a difference picking from a pool at the 5,6,7 spot vs 12,13,14.
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In reply to investorAg83 • 4:09p, 9/5/22
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Not a substantial difference, no it does not. I'd invite you to research it.

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4:10p, 9/5/22
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I will say that the only thing that changes going forward is the lottery. Which could play to a team's favor, but it's far from a lock that you'll land a top 5 pick regardless.
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In reply to rbtexan • 4:30p, 9/5/22
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rbtexan said:
Not a substantial difference, no it does not. I'd invite you to research it.



That's not the point. Looking at picks 6-20 in the last few drafts there are anywhere from 4-6 guys in each that I would consider top tier talent and to your point, they're going everywhere in that pick 6-20 range.

But to say it doesn't make a difference to be picking at 6 when there are a lot more on the board vs pick 16 when there might be 1 is just plain ignorant.
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4:35p, 9/5/22
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In your last two posts, you've said I was a fool and that I'm ignorant.

Very Aggie like. Have a good day sir.
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In reply to rbtexan • 4:45p, 9/5/22
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rbtexan said:
In your last two posts, you've said I was a fool and that I'm ignorant.

Very Aggie like. Have a good day sir.


Quit saying the same thing over and over that no one disagrees with. The draft is hard to pinpoint talent after the first few picks. That's a given. Move on.
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6:11p, 9/5/22
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If you have a problem with what I post, ignore me. I'll post my thoughts as I see fit.
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