The package going back to Washington for Juan Soto and Josh Bell, sources tell ESPN:

- LHP MacKenzie Gore
- OF Robert Hassell III
- SS C.J. Abrams
- OF James Wood
- RHP Jarlin Susana
- one more major league player

That's the only holdup right now to the agreed-upon deal.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) August 2, 2022

Mr Gigem said:

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Having said that... I'd rather save the Farm and let him go play for the Padres for 2 years, and then sign him as FA when he's 25

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Agreed. Same applies to Judge. If you want a superstar OF bad enough, there are a couple of upcoming opportunities to buy one.

That's a lot, but Abrams and Gore are both hurt. Plus they're still get Bell (who's having a good year). I would've thought all of those guys were only being traded for Soto, not both.

So much for Soto

Hosmer can still torpedo this deal.

I highly highly doubt he will because he will be compensated handsomely, but, it would be such a great story if he shot this whole thing down!

gigem1223 said:

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Hosmer can still torpedo this deal.

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Can you elaborate?

Hosmer is in the deal and has a no trade clause. That's the "one more Major League player"

Mr Gigem said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Hosmer can still torpedo this deal.

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Can you elaborate?

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I assume he's referring to Hosmer's no trade clause, which includes the Nationals.

Which why on earth would he waive it unless the Nats agree to pay him even more moolah

They'll just find a team Hosmer is willing to go to, deal isn't going to die.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Which why on earth would he waive it unless the Nats agree to pay him even more moolah

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I think the Padres are looking to dump his salary for the next 3 yrs (@$13 per).

Josh Bell is a FA after this year.

Hosmer would ride the bench.

I would think this could go down as the Nats kicking in some money if Hosmer declines.

Also curious how the 25 would shake out with all the other moves.

Quick stat count on what the Padres gave up:

CJ Abrams (SS-MLB-21) <- He was the Padres top prospect until he played enough this season. Callup when Tatis went down.
@AAA: 30G, .314, 7 HR, 10 SB, .364 OBP

Gore (RHSP-MLB-23): 13GS, 4.50 ERA, 70 IP, 72 SO, 1.471 WHIP

#1 Hassell III (OF-A+-20): 75G, .299, 10HR, 20 SB (#21 Overall MLB)
#3 James Wood (OF-A-19): 50G, .337, 10HR, 15 SB (#88 Overall MLB)
#14 Susan (RHSP-Rk-18): 7GS, 2.45 ERA

I think the Padres expect to get Tatis Jr back mid-to-late August. That makes CJ Abrams unnecessary this season and the next few, assuming Tatis Jr recovers fully. That is a huge chip to give up and I don't think the Rangers would have someone to compare.

Gore seems like a mid-tier SP, of which we have plenty.
Hosmer/Lowe/Huff/Other.

From a pure ranking perspective, you could argue Hassell would equate to either Leiter or Jung. Wood could be matched to Duran/Smith/Other.

Abrams was obviously the big get. Beyond that, the amount of talent the Padres give up isn't tremendous, IMO. For the Rangers it wouldn't have killed our farm, but for the Padres... Giving up the #1, 2, & 3 prospects in a farm system that is otherwise pretty thin, will be hard to absorb. Soto in the OF for 2+ years makes give up the OF prospects easier, but still pretty deep cuts.

I can see where the Rangers were likely still having conversations but ultimately walked away. If we had gotten Castillo, getting Soto and Bell would have turned things around... but that was killed when the team tanked over the past 3-4 weeks.

They gave up a lot. Their #1, 3, 4 and 5 prospects, plus another minor leaguer, plus a MLB player.

That's a ton.

* I included Gore's prospect rating because he's just now in the MLB. He was one of their top prospects.

Hosmer declined and is no longer in the deal

Yeah, Gore is big. #3 overall pick. In the majors by age 23. Having a solid season for a young rookie

Assuming we see Moore moved today. Potentially Perez and/ or Burke as well. The returns in these trades have been good so far. Looks like a good time to be a seller.

gigem1223 said:

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Assuming we see Moore moved today. Potentially Perez and/ or Burke as well. The returns in these trades have been good so far. Looks like a good time to be a seller.

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Moore is likely.

Trading Burke or Perez is a mistake IMO

rbtexan said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Assuming we see Moore moved today. Potentially Perez and/ or Burke as well. The returns in these trades have been good so far. Looks like a good time to be a seller.

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Moore is likely.

Trading Burke or Perez is a mistake IMO

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Agree on Burke, disagree on Perez.

gigem1223 said:

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rbtexan said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Assuming we see Moore moved today. Potentially Perez and/ or Burke as well. The returns in these trades have been good so far. Looks like a good time to be a seller.

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Moore is likely.

Trading Burke or Perez is a mistake IMO

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Agree on Burke, disagree on Perez.

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The only reason to trade Perez would be to get an impact prospect. He won't bring that on a one year deal IMO. It wouldn't even be a Lance Lynn for Dane Dunning level trade, most likely.

If you can sucker a team into giving up more, then maybe. But the Rangers need pitching and there's almost literally no one to replace him with...and he wants to be here.

rbtexan said:

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gigem1223 said:

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rbtexan said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Assuming we see Moore moved today. Potentially Perez and/ or Burke as well. The returns in these trades have been good so far. Looks like a good time to be a seller.

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Moore is likely.

Trading Burke or Perez is a mistake IMO

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Agree on Burke, disagree on Perez.

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The only reason to trade Perez would be to get an impact prospect. He won't bring that on a one year deal IMO. It wouldn't even be a Lance Lynn for Dane Dunning level trade, most likely.

If you can sucker a team into giving up more, then maybe. But the Rangers need pitching and there's almost literally no one to replace him with...and he wants to be here.

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If he wants to be here, then resign him in the off-season.

For guys like Perez I'm always surprised more teams don't trade them at the deadline while also making it known to them you want to re-sign them in the winter. Let Perez go pitch for a contender for a couple months, get a couple players to hopefully make your team better in 2-3 years, and then bring him back on a 3 year deal with an improved team if he really wants to be here long term.

I understand a trade is a big disruption to a player's life, but it's only a 2-3 month period if he wants to come back.

FTAco07 said:

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For guys like Perez I'm always surprised more teams don't trade them at the deadline while also making it known to them you want to re-sign them in the winter. Let Perez go pitch for a contender for a couple months, get a couple players to hopefully make your team better in 2-3 years, and then bring him back on a 3 year deal with an improved team if he really wants to be here long term.

I understand a trade is a big disruption to a player's life, but it's only a 2-3 month period if he wants to come back.

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The reason it doesn't happen is because teams are placing more value on prospects these days.

Why would you give up good prospects for a player you're going to have for a month or two? If Perez is traded, I'm willing to bet that we'll all be underwhelmed by what we get for him.

How often to players leave via trade to be on a contending team, and then return to the original team via free agency that next off-season? I remember Arodolis Chapman doing it, but not coming up with more names off the top of my head.

Maybe it's just as likely that they enjoyed being on a contending team and re-sign with that team.

Maybe we just need to extend Perez now and not worry about losing him?

rbtexan said:

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FTAco07 said:

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For guys like Perez I'm always surprised more teams don't trade them at the deadline while also making it known to them you want to re-sign them in the winter. Let Perez go pitch for a contender for a couple months, get a couple players to hopefully make your team better in 2-3 years, and then bring him back on a 3 year deal with an improved team if he really wants to be here long term.

I understand a trade is a big disruption to a player's life, but it's only a 2-3 month period if he wants to come back.

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The reason it doesn't happen is because teams are placing more value on prospects these days.

Why would you give up good prospects for a player you're going to have for a month or two? If Perez is traded, I'm willing to bet that we'll all be underwhelmed by what we get for him.

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I do agree we won't get much for a Perez rental for the rest of 2022. Just now how the market seems to work these days, and teams don't get any draft pick compensation for the rentals like they used to.

Here's a realistic way to view the Perez situation.

If you were another team, what would give up to trade for Dane Dunning?

Because historically, that's pretty much what Perez has been. This year is an anomaly. Is it possible that he somehow has changed completely at age 31? Maybe, but probably not. It's more likely that he's just having a career season. Look at Gibson....had that great partial season with the Rangers. Now he's pretty much back to what he always was.

Point being, these are things teams consider when they're putting together offers for players. I personally wouldn't give up much to get Perez.

So why trade him at all.

I also don't see the benefit of trading Perez, especially now since Gray went down. They still need guys to pitch reliable innings.

The only reason I could see a team wanting to trade for Perez is if they think they're one solid rotation piece away from making a run. You'd be taking a risk of if him in Texas is the secret sauce to his success but as far as a rental for a run at things goes it makes sense in my head.

That being said I don't think he's gonna get dealt and probably signs here for a couple seasons

It isn't common and that's why we shouldn't risk it. Small reward with a HUGE risk.

Tksymm7 said:

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I also don't see the benefit of trading Perez, especially now since Gray went down. They still need guys to pitch reliable innings.

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Hosmer to Red Sox

Gallo to Dodgers

Mr Gigem said:

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Gallo to Dodgers

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Wow.....did not see that coming!!!!!!