***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:46a, 7/22/22
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Harry Dunne said:
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Chas OPS vs lefties up to 1.069. Give that man his platoon.

Dusty wouldn't start him over Siri. Fat chance in hell he'll start over Brantley vs lefties.

I am sure it's crossed click and others minds
I wonder how much of the lineups, platoons, etc. come from Dusty and how much from the front office.

I can see where as a manager you would want to give Siri all the chances you can, thinking he's got the tools to be a modern day Eric Davis. I think he's all sizzle and no steak and I would limit him to PR & Def. sub but what do I know?

Are there some advanced stats that tell us Siri is actually good offensively? I think about Raley and although he's still a 34 y/o with a negative career WAR, I hate to lose another argument to Farmer, but he obviously does not suck.
I know its a new regime, but based on the Astroball book, the manager owns the lineup card. I have a hard time believing someone like Dusty wouldn't have control of it. I assume Click and nerds give him all the data to make informed decisions and maybe a few hard rules on resting guys and managing innings/pitch counts. We saw in 2021 that Click had to literally trade Straw to get him out of the everyday lineup for Chas and Jake.

You're right on. Tools for days. No metrics show he's been a good hitter this year. Siri has shown the chops to be an elite defensive CFer. He isn't a great baserunner yet, but he's got speed for days. He was very good in AAA last year, came up at the end of the season and dominated in a very short stint in the bigs. He completely sucked offensively this year, but then went down and dominated again.

Siri has tools and has shown flashes. I get not wanting to completely write him off. Figure out what you have. But we're also trying to figure out what we have with Chas and Jake too. Oh and we're completing for a title. Kind of a tricky spot.



Since you brought up Raley, let's check in on him.

33 games played
0 ER in 28 of them
opponent .489 OPS
33.1% K% (better than Pressly, Stanek, or Montero)
Sub 1 WHIP


And he told Canada to get bent. Love that Aggie.
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9:49a, 7/22/22
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Oh, also for Siri, he has better stats away from MMP, so trading him might do him some good.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:49a, 7/22/22
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Farmer1906 said:



Since you brought up Raley, let's check in on him.

33 games played
0 ER in 28 of them
opponent .489 OPS
33.1% K% (better than Pressly, Stanek, or Montero)
Sub 1 WHIP


And he told Canada to get bent. Love that Aggie.
We could use that kind of lefty in the pen
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9:51a, 7/22/22
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Happy Lance McCullers rehab Day
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In reply to shano0603 • 9:53a, 7/22/22
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JB!98 said:
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The A's announced attendance for both games of their doubleheader with Detroit today was a COMBINED 7,282.

Their home opener back in April drew 17,503 people.

Since then, they've played to (among others):

2,703 vs. Baltimore on April 21.
2,488 vs. Tampa on May 2
2,815 vs. Tampa on May 3
3,138 vs. MInnesota on May 16
3,640 vs. Minnesota on May 17
3,203 vs. Texas on May 26


Their largest home crowd of the year so far is 17,832 vs. the Red Sox on June 3, a Friday.


They need to become the San Antonio/New Braunfels A's.

I've been saying something similar for years. Put a team in San Marcos to capture both Austin and San Antonio people. Should be able to get cheap land in the area and then get college students to work it,
Las Vegas, Nashville, and a whole bunch of other cities are in line before that area.

Baseball isn't going to pull people from Austin and San Antonio for attendance in San Marcos. That's a easily a 1-1.5 hour drive in rush hour sometimes. Baseball games are often on weekdays at 7:00 or 1:00. You need a population within 30-45 minutes that can be there on a weeknight. You need to be in a metro area for that to happen. You can't just split the difference. You have to pick one. And it's still going to fall behind the other cities.
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9:53a, 7/22/22
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Verlander is at 238 wins and getting close to hitting his option threshold in innings for the year. Any chance he prioritizes a shot at 300 wins over a large contract?

With the Astros window open for the next few years and a "down" division, could that drive him to sign a 3 year deal at a somewhat discounted rate?

Seems like he would want to reach that milestone to further cement his place in history.
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In reply to 3B Paul 97 • 9:56a, 7/22/22
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I know Verlander looks as dominant as ever, and not like someone in his 40s...but are there many teams that would give him a really expensive contract to pitch until he's 43-44?
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In reply to Texaggie7nine • 9:56a, 7/22/22
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Finally home. Damn what a long and glorious day at the park. It was worth the CF MMP put on between games. Dunno if I'll ever get to see the Stros beat the Yanks twice in a day in person again in my life.
Completely agree with this on all accounts. Got back to the Hill Country about 1am but hot damn that was an amazing time, even if we sat way up in the 400s . Really cool belated Father's day celebration for my dad, me and my son, my brothers and their sons.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:57a, 7/22/22
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Happy Ace McCullers rehab Day
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In reply to 3B Paul 97 • 10:01a, 7/22/22
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3B Paul 97 said:
Verlander is at 238 wins and getting close to hitting his option threshold in innings for the year. Any chance he prioritizes a shot at 300 wins over a large contract?

With the Astros window open for the next few years and a "down" division, could that drive him to sign a 3 year deal at a somewhat discounted rate?

Seems like he would want to reach that milestone to further cement his place in history.
I think he'll get premium offers from good teams. He won't have to pick one or the other.

He has no reason to take a discounted rate. Crane has money and we have money under the "cap" to pay him. I think 3 years is probably a big ask for a guy who will be 40 next year. I think more like a 1 or 2 year deal with a mutual or team option for a second or third year. Think Max Scherzer evaluation (43.3 M)

I am sure he'd love to get to 300, but what are the odds. Say he wins 20 this year and plays 3 more years. He'll need to win 18 a year for ages 40, 41, and 42. I doubt that is in the cards.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:03a, 7/22/22
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It may sound ridiculous, but they should unload Trout, Ohtani, & make someone take Rendon. And while you're at it, trade Iglesias. They have no shot of winning. Their nonexistent window is closing. After 2023 it's no Ohtani and their highest-paid players will be 32 and 34 with 361 M still owed to those 2 alone. Get out of it now. The prospect haul from those 3 with Rendon as a negative would be enough to kickstart rebuild. Lose 100 games in 23 and 24 then start trying to win in 2025/26. That is when you should start opening up the pocket book again.
Completely agree but the trade proposed above isn't enough in my opinion for Ohtani. But yes they absolutely should trade Trout and Ohtani...preferably not to Seattle, Jankees or Dodgers
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10:11a, 7/22/22
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I just realized tonight's match up.

Urquidy vs Seattle.

In 3 matchups this year they have an OPS of 1.174. 17 Runs, 27 Hits, & only 13 Innings.

We're going to need to score double digits tonight.
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10:11a, 7/22/22
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I'm hurting from game two. We drank too damn much in the suite, but beating the Yankees twice in one day was cause for celebration!
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:12a, 7/22/22
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Farmer1906 said:
3B Paul 97 said:
Verlander is at 238 wins and getting close to hitting his option threshold in innings for the year. Any chance he prioritizes a shot at 300 wins over a large contract?

With the Astros window open for the next few years and a "down" division, could that drive him to sign a 3 year deal at a somewhat discounted rate?

Seems like he would want to reach that milestone to further cement his place in history.
I think he'll get premium offers from good teams. He won't have to pick one or the other.

He has no reason to take a discounted rate. Crane has money and we have money under the "cap" to pay him. I think 3 years is probably a big ask for a guy who will be 40 next year. I think more like a 1 or 2 year deal with a mutual or team option for a second or third year. Think Max Scherzer evaluation (43.3 M)

I am sure he'd love to get to 300, but what are the odds. Say he wins 20 this year and plays 3 more years. He'll need to win 18 a year for ages 40, 41, and 42. I doubt that is in the cards.
Not at a 43/year clip but I give him the money....and if it takes 3 years to bring the total down I do that too. Maybe like 3/35. I want a CY this year and 1 more in those other 3 and see him wear a Star on his cap in the hall with 3 rings in Houston.


Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:13a, 7/22/22
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I just realized tonight's match up.

Urquidy vs Seattle.

In 3 matchups this year they have an OPS of 1.174. 17 Runs, 27 Hits, & only 13 Innings.

We're going to need to score double digits tonight.


In how many of those starts was he using the cutter? He's been much better since abandoning that pitch.
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In reply to Beat40 • 10:21a, 7/22/22
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Farmer1906 said:
I just realized tonight's match up.

Urquidy vs Seattle.

In 3 matchups this year they have an OPS of 1.174. 17 Runs, 27 Hits, & only 13 Innings.

We're going to need to score double digits tonight.


In how many of those starts was he using the cutter? He's been much better since abandoning that pitch.
All 3. In his last start vs them (June 8) his cutter was effective vs them.
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10:26a, 7/22/22
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While I highly approve of the crazy production, I think we should to strive to keep the big man off the IL as much as possible.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 10:28a, 7/22/22
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Every time Dusty gives him a day off, tell him he's on the IL
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10:29a, 7/22/22
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I know Toro was looking good shortly after the trade, but he has cooled off a lot since then. I feel we came out ahead on that one.
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In reply to 3B Paul 97 • 10:32a, 7/22/22
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Based on how well Graveman did last year and how well Montero is doing this year? Agreed.
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In reply to 3B Paul 97 • 10:33a, 7/22/22
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Until he plays us
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10:36a, 7/22/22
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Maybe I missed this but I just saw that Keuchel got DFAed by Arizona 2 days ago. He had 4 starts and a 9+ ERA.

Hindsight is 20/20 but what massive luck it was for him to walk away from that contract offer.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:56a, 7/22/22
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My body is ready
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:59a, 7/22/22
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Defense would be a concern. Yuli has saved the infield quite a few errors. Altuve and Peña don't have the strongest arms and he picks a lot of throws.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 11:00a, 7/22/22
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Maybe I missed this but I just saw that Keuchel got DFAed by Arizona 2 days ago. He had 4 starts and a 9+ ERA.

Hindsight is 20/20 but what massive luck it was for him to walk away from that contract offer.
other than CFM I don't think there's a single outgoing guy we should have offered bigger money to but didn't.

Maybe Cole, although with a contract that big you have to consider what it would have done to the rest of the roster.

Time will tell.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:08a, 7/22/22
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I want this badly. For the Astros, sure, but also because I have a gold-plated receipt ready for a fellow poster when Dusty rolls out a lineup that has Bell at first and Yuli at second or third.

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11:10a, 7/22/22
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Bell has played 24 games in his career in the outfield. I think there are enough creative ways to get him in the lineup with him playing 1B, LF or DH...
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In reply to Marvin • 11:12a, 7/22/22
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Marvin said:
Farmer1906 said:



I want this badly. For the Astros, sure, but also because I have a gold-plated receipt ready for a fellow poster when Dusty rolls out a lineup that has Bell at first and Yuli at second or third.

I believe that is me...and I stand by the fact...it aint happening.

On another note, the article a day or two ago I was surprised how cheap they predicted a trade to get him...for that low price id be all for it even if it was just to improve the bench more than replace Yuli


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#3 Josh Bell (WASH, 29, 3.5 bWAR, .895 OPS, 148 wRC+)
The Player: Josh Bell is the best pure bat available at the deadline since JD Martinez went to the Diamondbacks in 2017, and it took a healthy prospect haul to get JDMart. Bell should be the priciest option, and he's got a good case for it. He's hitting .311 while walking nearly as much as he strikes out, has double-plus raw pop, and can really hit from both sides of the plate. It's a more than solid middle-of-the-order bat profile. There isn't quite as much power in Bell's bat as one might expect and really, outside of the 2019 rabbit ball, there never was. A 7.6% barrel rate and 13 homers are fairly pedestrian as far as hulking first basemen go. Bell's also capable in the field, although I would never call him an asset defensively.

The Fit: Bell fits the way any offensive talent fits. His switch hitting tendencies also play up in Minute Maid Park, although not to the extent of the first two names, whom the Crawford boxes benefit more directly. Additionally, Bell has played 26 games at the corner outfield spots in his 6 year MLB career. It's more of an emergency button than anything, but Bell can stand out there if he really had to. He'd be an upgrade, for sure, but not necessarily my favorite option at the position, especially for the cost.
The Trade: Bell fits better with a team like San Diego, and he might warrant something of a bidding war accordingly. SD, Boston, Tampa, and Milwaukee likely all have more ammo to play with than Houston does. Washington will look for the best prospect package available as they're deep in a rebuild, and that would mean two top-ten system guys in Houston's farm, or as close to that as possible. WASH values tools over all else when they look at other systems, so here's the Astros best offer via their toolsiest prospects not named Pedro Leon.

WASH Receives: Joe Perez (HOU No. 11), Chayce McDermott (HOU No. 14)
HOU Receives: Josh Bell

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:14a, 7/22/22
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I'd take Josh bell and put him in front of Yordan and force people to pitch to him.
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11:25a, 7/22/22
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Heard some discussion on 790 that the Nats would want a package something like this for Soto

Pena or Tucker
Luis or Javier
Brown
Lee or Leon
Lotto tickets

F that...
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:33a, 7/22/22
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Ag_07 said:
Heard some discussion on 790 that the Nats would want a package something like this for Soto

Pena or Tucker
Luis or Javier
Brown
Lee or Leon
Lotto tickets

F that...


And honestly I'm not even sure if that would be enough.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:40a, 7/22/22
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Ag_07 said:
Heard some discussion on 790 that the Nats would want a package something like this for Soto

Pena or Tucker
Luis or Javier
Brown
Lee or Leon
Lotto tickets

F that...
I'm not even sure if I'd do Pena for Soto straight up.

Soto is a 2.5 year rental. Pena will be an Astro through 2028 (at least) at a much more premium position.
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