It'll be interesting to see if the Astros run down the Yankees for best record in the AL. NY currently has a 5 1/2 game lead, but the Astros have by far the easiest remaining schedule among AL contenders, as @PaulHembo notes. Red Sox have the toughest remaining schedule, by far.
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Funny... I was at both of those games in 2007.bearkatag15 said:Big Al 1992 said:
Last time we had walk offs 2 games in a row? Ever?Astros walk-off HR on consecutive days for 2nd time in franchise history:
— Francys Romero (@francysromeroFR) July 4, 2022
-1st time: June 28 and 29 off 2007, Carlos Lee and Mark Loretta (both vs. Brian Fuentes (COL)
-2nd time: July 3 and 4 off 2022, Jeremy Peña and Yordan Álvarez
Haha... had this same thought. The fact that we won his first start back is huge. Not everyone can be Justin Verlander and look like a Cy Young candidate first game back from injury.Ag_07 said:
Wait...People are upset that Odo's first start back after being carted off on a stretcher was a bit shaky?
Damn y'all set the bar high.
And I'm not all that surprised either.
Did i make these graphics on my Koala Pad in the 1980s?New World Ag said:
Apparently all the Angels' uniforms just say "ANGELS". Likely because the official team name is "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim", so just having LA or Anaheim wouldn't work.
Feels so good, feelin' good again.
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How about some props for compiling the 2nd best record in the league with one of the toughest stretches, Buster.Farmer1906 said:It'll be interesting to see if the Astros run down the Yankees for best record in the AL. NY currently has a 5 1/2 game lead, but the Astros have by far the easiest remaining schedule among AL contenders, as @PaulHembo notes. Red Sox have the toughest remaining schedule, by far.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) July 5, 2022
I truly can't stand Buster.
I personally love when people talk bad about our players, because our players usually make them eat crow.texasaggie2015 said:Haha... had this same thought. The fact that we won his first start back is huge. Not everyone can be Justin Verlander and look like a Cy Young candidate first game back from injury.Ag_07 said:
Wait...People are upset that Odo's first start back after being carted off on a stretcher was a bit shaky?
Damn y'all set the bar high.
And I'm not all that surprised either.
Odo was out of his mind before the injury. While I don't expect him back to that level, he will certainly locate his pitches better and be more effective. It's nice to have the luxury of waiting on him to find it. I think it will be worth the wait.
That's the benefit of a 13.5 game lead in July.
We have the luxury of letting guys figure it out. See Bregman and Yuli at the plate and Odo on the mound.
If we were in a dog fight for the division I'd be doing more clamoring that we can't afford to let guys figure it out. But that's not the case.
At this point there's no reason to fret about a guy coming off a long IL stint being rusty.
We have the luxury of letting guys figure it out. See Bregman and Yuli at the plate and Odo on the mound.
If we were in a dog fight for the division I'd be doing more clamoring that we can't afford to let guys figure it out. But that's not the case.
At this point there's no reason to fret about a guy coming off a long IL stint being rusty.
As we emerge with the best pitching staff in baseball once again, just want to give a shout out to James Click. Our pitching staff when he took over had just lost Cole, Miley, Osuna, Harris, Rondon and was on the verge of losing JV for two years. Now our problem is that we have too many good pitchers.
Under his regime, Framber has emerged as an ace, Javier has lived up to (if not exceeded) his potential and Luis Garcia came from no where to be a very good starter. We found Stanek in the free agency scrap-pile and Montero as a trade throw-in.
Obviously not ALL the credit goes to Click. Luhnow's nerds built the analytics infrastructure and Maldy's in-game perspective helps a ton. But Click has lived up to the hype in terms of translating that Tampa pitching success to Houston.
Under his regime, Framber has emerged as an ace, Javier has lived up to (if not exceeded) his potential and Luis Garcia came from no where to be a very good starter. We found Stanek in the free agency scrap-pile and Montero as a trade throw-in.
Obviously not ALL the credit goes to Click. Luhnow's nerds built the analytics infrastructure and Maldy's in-game perspective helps a ton. But Click has lived up to the hype in terms of translating that Tampa pitching success to Houston.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drurybr01.shtml
Wonder if this guy might be worth a look for a trade? 1 yr contract for $900k, seems to be a utility guy, might be good to replace Diaz and wouldn't have to give up much.
Wonder if this guy might be worth a look for a trade? 1 yr contract for $900k, seems to be a utility guy, might be good to replace Diaz and wouldn't have to give up much.
Couldn't care less about the Yankees. We have the 2nd best record in baseball and are on pace to win 107 games. If we keep that up, we will be just fine.LonghornDub said:
Harry, that performance today was very bad against one of the worst teams in MLB. How many designated losses do you want if we are to try to catch the Yankees for home field?
Go look at Odorizzi's game log this season and then go look at his career before getting emotional and running a guy to the bullpen after one bad start.
Unrelated, but what about Seth Martinez? Low key MVP of yesterday's game.
I really hope we don't trade him. He would be very useful in the post-season.Harry Dunne said:Couldn't care less about the Yankees. We have the 2nd best record in baseball and are on pace to win 107 games. If we keep that up, we will be just fine.LonghornDub said:
Harry, that performance today was very bad against one of the worst teams in MLB. How many designated losses do you want if we are to try to catch the Yankees for home field?
Go look at Odorizzi's game log this season and then go look at his career before getting emotional and running a guy to the bullpen after one bad start.
Unrelated, but what about Seth Martinez? Low key MVP of yesterday's game.
Astros pitching has been phenomenal so far this season. There were folks, including me, who were concerned with Strom leaving that the pitching would take a step back. But actually it appears to have taken a step forward without Strom. The pitching talent level has improved due to more maturity and experience would be my opinion.
Julio Rodriguez after 334 plate appearances: .275/.335/.489, 15 HR, 20 SB, 140 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR, 2 defensive runs saved.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 5, 2022
Jeremy Peña after 244 plate appearances: .278/.329/.475, 11 HR, 6 SB, 132 wRC+, 2.7 fWAR, 8 defensive runs saved.
ECA and Harry - so on a team with as good chemistry as the Astros you care not a whit about Odorizzi's whiny b**** factor? I do.
God made the country, and man made the town. William Cowper
I wonder if perhaps Strom was starting to lose his fastball (for lack of a better term) and now we're building on what he left but improving it. The results certainly speak for themselves.BCEDAg said:
Astros pitching has been phenomenal so far this season. There were folks, including me, who were concerned with Strom leaving that the pitching would take a step back. But actually it appears to have taken a step forward without Strom. The pitching talent level has improved due to more maturity and experience would be my opinion.
He's done pretty well in Arizona turning that staff around.Prosperdick said:I wonder if perhaps Strom was starting to lose his fastball (for lack of a better term) and now we're building on what he left but improving it. The results certainly speak for themselves.BCEDAg said:
Astros pitching has been phenomenal so far this season. There were folks, including me, who were concerned with Strom leaving that the pitching would take a step back. But actually it appears to have taken a step forward without Strom. The pitching talent level has improved due to more maturity and experience would be my opinion.
I looked at Odorizzi's career stats and wondered what in the world you liked. Let me know. I thought compared to our other pitchers he sucked even if you don't care about his abysmal lack of maturity and team spirit.
God made the country, and man made the town. William Cowper
When MLB reigned in the sticky stuff, Strom's utility took a big hit. He served us well and I have no ill-will toward him whatsover. By almost all accounts, he's a great dude and was probably a nice resource in terms of identifying tips (on our guys and opponents). But the reason our staff was awesome under his tenure was much more because of our nerds/analytics than him. We know how to attack our opponents weaknesses/tendencies better than anyone else. That comes from upstairs.Prosperdick said:I wonder if perhaps Strom was starting to lose his fastball (for lack of a better term) and now we're building on what he left but improving it. The results certainly speak for themselves.BCEDAg said:
Astros pitching has been phenomenal so far this season. There were folks, including me, who were concerned with Strom leaving that the pitching would take a step back. But actually it appears to have taken a step forward without Strom. The pitching talent level has improved due to more maturity and experience would be my opinion.
It is going to be close the remainder of the season.EastCoastAgNc said:Julio Rodriguez after 334 plate appearances: .275/.335/.489, 15 HR, 20 SB, 140 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR, 2 defensive runs saved.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 5, 2022
Jeremy Peña after 244 plate appearances: .278/.329/.475, 11 HR, 6 SB, 132 wRC+, 2.7 fWAR, 8 defensive runs saved.
I think if Pena wins it, it will be because of the team he's playing. Both have been really, really good and I wouldn't be upset if Julio won it.
I do think the pressure Pena has been under is greater than Julio for sure though.
Deluxe - Agree
Harry - you're the first in a long time to accuse me of being emotional. I don't know the man personally. I freely admit I don't like him as a player for the reasons previously stated, and for the same reasons I didn't like acquiring him. They got rid of him for the same reasons.
Do you actually like him or are you trying to defend Click's decision? I think Click's been okay other than wasting a place on Odorizzi, and no one is 100% in his position.
Harry - you're the first in a long time to accuse me of being emotional. I don't know the man personally. I freely admit I don't like him as a player for the reasons previously stated, and for the same reasons I didn't like acquiring him. They got rid of him for the same reasons.
Do you actually like him or are you trying to defend Click's decision? I think Click's been okay other than wasting a place on Odorizzi, and no one is 100% in his position.
God made the country, and man made the town. William Cowper
yes, it's one of those things...that when change occurs...new things are learned.BCEDAg said:
Astros pitching has been phenomenal so far this season. There were folks, including me, who were concerned with Strom leaving that the pitching would take a step back. But actually it appears to have taken a step forward without Strom. The pitching talent level has improved due to more maturity and experience would be my opinion.
Strom was an excellent pitching coach, but the Astros' staff is doing just fine without him
We are having a pretty good season when the only things we have to ***** about are our 6th best starter and our catchers not hitting great...
Odorizzi was acquired when Framber went down for what was initially thought as a year long injury.
Yeah it was a bit of a stretch and a bit of a panic move but his acquisition hasn't crippled the ability to build the roster and resign guys. It's far from a boat anchor.
Odorizzi is a solid back end rotation depth guy. He had his issues last year but after a rough start this year seemed to have figured something out and was performing exceptionally well.
I don't think anyone is saying he's an ace and needs to be given every chance to prove himself. But given his recent success prior to the injury he does deserve more than one start after the long layoff before we send him packing or to the BP.
And not sure where the whiny bltch comment came from. He had one issue awhile ago about being upset but when he's been bad he's done anything but bltch. I actually think his attitude is a breath of fresh air when most of the time we get canned coach speak.
Yeah it was a bit of a stretch and a bit of a panic move but his acquisition hasn't crippled the ability to build the roster and resign guys. It's far from a boat anchor.
Odorizzi is a solid back end rotation depth guy. He had his issues last year but after a rough start this year seemed to have figured something out and was performing exceptionally well.
I don't think anyone is saying he's an ace and needs to be given every chance to prove himself. But given his recent success prior to the injury he does deserve more than one start after the long layoff before we send him packing or to the BP.
And not sure where the whiny bltch comment came from. He had one issue awhile ago about being upset but when he's been bad he's done anything but bltch. I actually think his attitude is a breath of fresh air when most of the time we get canned coach speak.
I meant emotional as in overreacting to one bad outing.LonghornDub said:
Deluxe - Agree
Harry - you're the first in a long time to accuse me of being emotional. I don't know the man personally. I freely admit I don't like him as a player for the reasons previously stated, and for the same reasons I didn't like acquiring him. They got rid of him for the same reasons.
Do you actually like him or are you trying to defend Click's decision? I think Click's been okay other than wasting a place on Odorizzi, and no one is 100% in his position.
I don't really have any feelings about him personally. I'm really just looking at the numbers and thinking about the big picture.
I think the jury is still out on whether the Odo move was "wasted". I think Click did the best he could based on the information he had at the time. I don't think anyone could have imagined the pitching playing out the way it has. Certainly no one thought it was a bad move when Odo was mowing them down before the injury and like I said, I predict we are going to be down to 5 healthy starters at some point this season and move might end up looking pretty solid depending on how the guy pitches.
Don't forget *****ing about when Dusty (or the analytics nerds) tells a hot hitter "hey, you're getting a rest tomorrow. Yes, I know you've been on a tear lately. Yes, I know we have an off day afterwards. Don't argue, it's science."Silent For Too Long said:
We are having a pretty good season when the only things we have to ***** about are our 6th best starter and our catchers not hitting great...
Oof. Glad we are getting this performance out the way today so we will kick ass tomorrow when I can attend in person.
Odorizzi makes me nervous every time he's on the mound but I don't hate him. I think everyone has a valid position on it, no matter which side you're on. I was turned off by his commentary last year; I'm also impressed by his candor and taking of responsibility this year. When he's locating and his cutter is working, he's pretty good. More often than we'd like, he's not, and it isn't.
But more significantly, imo: early in the year my issues were entirely with the offense, its lack of clutch, and its lack of fire. If we got down early, we lost. Yesterday they reversed all of that, and it was probably an important comeback for this team. So in a sense, I'm glad he gave them a chance to do that by performing poorly but not utter-meltdown poorly (still gave you 4.0 despite getting hit every inning).
We'll see how he does next time up. I am willing to give a tiny bit of grace based on how he was performing when he got hurt, how quickly he came back from what we thought was a far worse injury, and it being his first time back out.
But more significantly, imo: early in the year my issues were entirely with the offense, its lack of clutch, and its lack of fire. If we got down early, we lost. Yesterday they reversed all of that, and it was probably an important comeback for this team. So in a sense, I'm glad he gave them a chance to do that by performing poorly but not utter-meltdown poorly (still gave you 4.0 despite getting hit every inning).
We'll see how he does next time up. I am willing to give a tiny bit of grace based on how he was performing when he got hurt, how quickly he came back from what we thought was a far worse injury, and it being his first time back out.
Cromagnum said:
Oof. Glad we are getting this performance out the way today so we will kick ass tomorrow when I can attend in person.
Watching the replay?
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
bearkatag15 said:Cromagnum said:
Oof. Glad we are getting this performance out the way today so we will kick ass tomorrow when I can attend in person.
Watching the replay?
Maybe so. LOL. I was not in front of a TV at all yesterday.
What's Pena's contract situation?
I look on baseballreference and he's not listed under the Astros contracts and sprotrac has a 1 yr $700K deal. Is he really on a 1 year deal? I thought he was on a rookie contract with future arbitration years
I look on baseballreference and he's not listed under the Astros contracts and sprotrac has a 1 yr $700K deal. Is he really on a 1 year deal? I thought he was on a rookie contract with future arbitration years
The rookie/pre-arb deals are year to year renewals with slight raises.
Ok, thats what I figured but I saw all the other players future arbitration years listed but not his.
Also just noticed JJ Matijevic and Korey Lee's not listed which makes sense with being rookies.
Also just noticed JJ Matijevic and Korey Lee's not listed which makes sense with being rookies.
Now that sounds emotional.LonghornDub said:
I looked at Odorizzi's career stats and wondered what in the world you liked. Let me know. I thought compared to our other pitchers he sucked even if you don't care about his abysmal lack of maturity and team spirit.
He's not my favorite Astro, but anything he has said/done is entry level whiner garden variety that will be quickly forgiven with good pitching. Like Dallas Keuchel. I thought he was a huge dewsh which made it easier on me when we didn't keep him, but when he was at his peak his whiny comments didn't bother me a bit and we have enough solid guys in the clubhouse that I don't think whiny Odo is going to hurt anything.
Again, it's $8M. It's hard to get a guy only a couple of years removed from being an All-Star who has been a 30+ start guy most of his career and had a 3+ WAR 3x in a 4-year span for that money. If you're comparing everyone to Justin Verlander, you're not going to like anyone...but for $8M you get Hector Neris. So if you're telling me you can pick up a solid back end of the rotation guy for the same price as a 6th-7th inning guy then I like it.
As a point of reference, his most similar statistical comps are:
- Danny Duffy who was on a 4-yr $60M through last season (15 per)
- Tanner Roark 2 yr $24M (12)
- Kevin Gausman 5 yr $110M (22!)
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