***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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9:10p, 6/13/22
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Bagwell is '97. Pretty sure Biggio is the year Bill James tabbed the third best professional season ever. 1998.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:13p, 6/13/22
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Mathguy64 said:
Bagwell is '97. Pretty sure Biggio is the year Bill James tabbed the third best professional season ever. 1998.
Close, '99 for Bags. Correct on Biggio
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9:14p, 6/13/22
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Berkman's was 2008, no?
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9:14p, 6/13/22
Maldy sucks so many dix at the plate that I consider that a great AB for him.
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In reply to linkdude • 9:15p, 6/13/22
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linkdude said:
Berkman's was 2008, no?
'06
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 9:15p, 6/13/22
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The other two I got nothing. Should know Jose but I don't.
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9:15p, 6/13/22
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:17p, 6/13/22
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Mathguy64 said:
The other two I got nothing. Should know Jose but I don't.
2016 for Altuve
2006 for Berkman
1999 for Bagwell
1998 for Biggio
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 9:17p, 6/13/22
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Shoot, I knew it was one of those two years.
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9:18p, 6/13/22
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Craziest stat in that screen shot? 149 walks and 127 Ks or 50 steals?
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 9:24p, 6/13/22
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bearkatag15 said:
Mathguy64 said:
The other two I got nothing. Should know Jose but I don't.
2016 for Altuve
2006 for Berkman
1999 for Bagwell
1998 for Biggio


That 98 year was insane. 51 doubles and 50 SB. And not a single GIDP.
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9:25p, 6/13/22
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9:25p, 6/13/22
Why even try?
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 9:33p, 6/13/22
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Can anyone list the years for these 4 seasons without looking it up?
if you could add any of those to this team it would have to be Baggy, right?

You couldn't add Altuve because it would disrupt the space-time continuum to have two Altuves from different years on one team. Obviously.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:36p, 6/13/22
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Harry Dunne said:
bearkatag15 said:


Can anyone list the years for these 4 seasons without looking it up?
if you could add any of those to this team it would have to be Baggy, right?

You couldn't add Altuve because it would disrupt the space-time continuum to have two Altuves from different years on one team. Obviously.


Bagwell, no question. The upgrade at 1B is better than the upgrade at any other position.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:38p, 6/13/22
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I would love to hear old Baggy in the booth comment on young Jeff Bagwell at the plate.
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In reply to Johnsy3 • 9:40p, 6/13/22
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Johnsy3 said:
Harry Dunne said:
bearkatag15 said:


Can anyone list the years for these 4 seasons without looking it up?
if you could add any of those to this team it would have to be Baggy, right?

You couldn't add Altuve because it would disrupt the space-time continuum to have two Altuves from different years on one team. Obviously.


Bagwell, no question. The upgrade at 1B is better than the upgrade at any other position.


Biggio. And tell him to grab his gear and get behind the plate.
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In reply to Johnsy3 • 9:40p, 6/13/22
Berkman because he actually shows up in the playoffs.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:41p, 6/13/22
Mathguy64 said:
Johnsy3 said:
Harry Dunne said:
bearkatag15 said:


Can anyone list the years for these 4 seasons without looking it up?
if you could add any of those to this team it would have to be Baggy, right?

You couldn't add Altuve because it would disrupt the space-time continuum to have two Altuves from different years on one team. Obviously.


Bagwell, no question. The upgrade at 1B is better than the upgrade at any other position.


Biggio. And tell him to grab his gear and get behind the plate.
Winner.

2022 Bidge would still be an upgrade at the plate over the two corpses we've got now.
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9:45p, 6/13/22
Still don't see it hitting the net.
Arena baseball. Blum is fun.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:47p, 6/13/22
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Those stats as a catcher would easily be the greatest season by a catcher in MLB. In any era. In any league. AL. NL. Negro League and Josh Gibson. Anyone anywhere.
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9:48p, 6/13/22
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I really dislike Garcia
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9:48p, 6/13/22
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He tried to do that.
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In reply to MaxPower • 9:49p, 6/13/22
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Berkman because he actually shows up in the playoffs.


I actually agree with this. Bagwell's and Berkman's are about the same to me except for the walks. However, the post season performance is the edge for me. Both of those guys batting 3rd in front of Yordan with Altuve and Brantley in front of them holy smokes.
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9:50p, 6/13/22
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Why do Astros' pitchers routinely use the outside of the plate when they have a shift on…it's so frustrating.

What's the point of shifting if you're going to try to get them to hit against it?!?!
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:50p, 6/13/22
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Mathguy64 said:
Those stats as a catcher would easily be the greatest season by a catcher in MLB. In any era. In any league. AL. NL. Negro League and Josh Gibson. Anyone anywhere.
1970 Johnny Bench: 45 HR, 148 RBI, .293 AVG, .587 SLG, MVP, Gold Glove, 22 years old.
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In reply to The Beef01 • 9:52p, 6/13/22
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Why do Astros' pitchers routinely use the outside of the plate when they have a shift on…it's so frustrating.

What's the point of shifting if you're going to try to get them to hit against it?!?!


The shift is based on the batter, not the pitcher. It's what the hitter does when being pitched to normally. Every team in the league uses the same approach.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:55p, 6/13/22
helloimustbegoing said:
Mathguy64 said:
Those stats as a catcher would easily be the greatest season by a catcher in MLB. In any era. In any league. AL. NL. Negro League and Josh Gibson. Anyone anywhere.
1970 Johnny Bench: 45 HR, 148 RBI, .293 AVG, .587 SLG, MVP, Gold Glove, 22 years old.
1997 Mike Piazza 40 HR 124 RBI .362 AVG .638 SLG

Greatest offensive season ever by a catcher (* for roids)
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In reply to Beat40 • 9:59p, 6/13/22
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Beat40 said:
The Beef01 said:
Why do Astros' pitchers routinely use the outside of the plate when they have a shift on…it's so frustrating.

What's the point of shifting if you're going to try to get them to hit against it?!?!


The shift is based on the batter, not the pitcher. It's what the hitter does when being pitched to normally. Every team in the league uses the same approach.


Yes, it's predicated on the batter being a pull hitter…however, if you pitch to the outside of the plate, they're going to hit it to the opposite field. It's going to be a soft hit, but a hit nonetheless b/c they're poking it to a wide open side of the field.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 10:01p, 6/13/22
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Harry Dunne said:
helloimustbegoing said:
Mathguy64 said:
Those stats as a catcher would easily be the greatest season by a catcher in MLB. In any era. In any league. AL. NL. Negro League and Josh Gibson. Anyone anywhere.
1970 Johnny Bench: 45 HR, 148 RBI, .293 AVG, .587 SLG, MVP, Gold Glove, 22 years old.
1997 Mike Piazza 40 HR 124 RBI .362 AVG .638 SLG

Greatest offensive season ever by a catcher (* for roids)
.362 and finished third in the batting race behind Captain Inflated Numbers Larry Walker (.366) and The Truth, Tony Gwynn, .372
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10:02p, 6/13/22
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Tucker is playing a great RF tonight
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10:03p, 6/13/22
They are simply not going to run on Tucker. Troubling that the lead off is on though.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 10:04p, 6/13/22
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helloimustbegoing said:
Mathguy64 said:
Those stats as a catcher would easily be the greatest season by a catcher in MLB. In any era. In any league. AL. NL. Negro League and Josh Gibson. Anyone anywhere.
1970 Johnny Bench: 45 HR, 148 RBI, .293 AVG, .587 SLG, MVP, Gold Glove, 22 years old.


James ranks Biggio's season better. 38 win shares versus 37.
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In reply to The Beef01 • 10:06p, 6/13/22
The Beef01 said:
Beat40 said:
The Beef01 said:
Why do Astros' pitchers routinely use the outside of the plate when they have a shift on…it's so frustrating.

What's the point of shifting if you're going to try to get them to hit against it?!?!


The shift is based on the batter, not the pitcher. It's what the hitter does when being pitched to normally. Every team in the league uses the same approach.


Yes, it's predicated on the batter being a pull hitter…however, if you pitch to the outside of the plate, they're going to hit it to the opposite field. It's going to be a soft hit, but a hit nonetheless b/c they're poking it to a wide open side of the field.
The type of pitch matters most. With RHP vs RHB and LHP vs LHB almost all breaking ball grounders are pulled regardless of pitch location.
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