There is no way we will compete anywhere close to that offer.

It is stupid money. Thanks for all the memories, Carlos. No one is going to blame you for taking that

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'm shocked he hasn't accepted yet. The fact he's even considering anything from Houston at this point is crazy to me when he's been offered 360 million! He's already had a career with more postseason play (and success) than most guys. Go get your money.

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Not like he will be playing for the league min if he stays here. He will still be paid very well lol

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It's easy to turn down a hypothetical extra 100 million.

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'm shocked he hasn't accepted yet. The fact he's even considering anything from Houston at this point is crazy to me when he's been offered 360 million! He's already had a career with more postseason play (and success) than most guys. Go get your money.

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Not like he will be playing for the league min if he stays here. He will still be paid very well lol

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No way Boras or the union allows him to pass that up. No. Way.

Random

Has anyone ever seen data put together breaking down the new extra inning rule?

I'm curious what average number of innings are played with new rule vs the real extra innings

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n_touch said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'm shocked he hasn't accepted yet. The fact he's even considering anything from Houston at this point is crazy to me when he's been offered 360 million! He's already had a career with more postseason play (and success) than most guys. Go get your money.

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Not like he will be playing for the league min if he stays here. He will still be paid very well lol

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No way Boras or the union allows him to pass that up. No. Way.

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Boras would. If he signs and opts out next year, Boras gets all of the cash on the huge deal vs. just the delta.

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Correa to Orioles?

The 2012 draft was most notable for the Astros' selection of Carlos Correa over Byron Buxton and others with the No. 1 pick. Mike Elias, the Astros' amateur scouting director then, was the driving force behind the Correa pick. And now that Elias is the Orioles' GM, it stands to reason he would have interest in Correa, the top remaining free agent.

Elias seemed to dismiss the idea on Monday, telling reporters it was unlikely the rebuilding Orioles would offer any free agent a multi-year contract. But Correa, according to a source with knowledge of the Orioles' thinking, might be an exception, if his price dropped to a level the club deemed appropriate.

What that level might be $50 million? $100 million? $200 million? is not known. Correa, 27, certainly is young enough to serve as the centerpiece of a rebuilding program. But many in the industry suspect Correa will wind up back with the Astros, perhaps on a short deal rather than the long-term, $350 million contract he desires.

Astros owner Jim Crane told Mark Berman of Houston's Fox 26 on Sunday that the team has reached out to Correa's agent, Scott Boras, and they were "in discussions." Those talks, however, seem to be generating little progress. While talks are fluid, and can change with one phone call, some with the Astros are pessimistic about the team's chances of bringing Correa back.

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astros4545 said:

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Daniella dont want to live in Baltimore

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there is some truth here.

Baltimore is barely 5% Hispanic / Latino population

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Sources: O's working on a new offer for Scot Boras and Carlos Correa.https://t.co/GjRyBFmzw8

— Raul Ramos (@RamosRauli) March 17, 2022

$350/10 years ?

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I don't think I've ever seen Scott Boras before this picture, but this is exactly what I assumed he would look like.

Except that's not Scott Boras.

That's Mike Elias

Maryland has a 5.75% state income tax. So there's that

He'd play more games in states with state income tax as well.

Name another player that rejected 10/$350 for a shorter term deal. I'm seriously asking because I don't know of one offhand.

And Boras is not steering him because of the lost commission. That theory has taken on a life of its own. Agents don't get top dog clients by rejecting $350 million. Again, correct me if I'm forgetting someone. Anyone.

I'd be shocked if the Astros are within 100M of that offer.

So yeah, I really don't see Carlos turning it down

the players union will tell / order him to take it.

they want the Orioles to return to being a big spending franchise

If 10/350 was such a no brainer to take why hasn't he taken it? And why are they just now making a revised offer?

You'd think he'd have taken it way back before the lockout or said 'Ill take that if you add in some opt outs' and they'd have done that ASAP.

I really think he just doesn't want to go to BAL.

"But the taxes" guy.

helloimustbegoing said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Sources: O's working on a new offer for Scot Boras and Carlos Correa.https://t.co/GjRyBFmzw8

— Raul Ramos (@RamosRauli) March 17, 2022

$350/10 years ?

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I don't think I've ever seen Scott Boras before this picture, but this is exactly what I assumed he would look like.

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Wow.

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bearkatag15 said:

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Sources: O's working on a new offer for Scot Boras and Carlos Correa.https://t.co/GjRyBFmzw8

— Raul Ramos (@RamosRauli) March 17, 2022

$350/10 years ?

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I don't think I've ever seen Scott Boras before this picture, but this is exactly what I assumed he would look like.

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That's Scott Boras

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If 10/350 was such a no brainer to take why hasn't he taken it? And why are they just now making a revised offer?

You'd think he'd have taken it way back before the lockout or said 'Ill take that if you add in some opt outs' and they'd have done that ASAP.

I really think he just doesn't want to go to BAL.

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The only reason to wait is on the slim hope another franchise can approach this ridiculous number as well as the ridiculous number of years.

Someone asked when has a player turned down a contract of this magnitude...when has a player ever lived up to the contract, especially the last half of it.

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Ag_07 said:

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If 10/350 was such a no brainer to take why hasn't he taken it? And why are they just now making a revised offer?

You'd think he'd have taken it way back before the lockout or said 'Ill take that if you add in some opt outs' and they'd have done that ASAP.

I really think he just doesn't want to go to BAL.

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The only reason to wait is on the slim hope another franchise can approach this ridiculous number as well as the ridiculous number of years.

Someone asked when has a player turned down a contract of this magnitude...when has a player ever lived up to the contract, especially the last half of it.

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You can't blame the player for taking it if they don't pan out. Thats on the franchise for offering it.

I would say I don't think it's yet to truly work out for any team, but also we've only really seen these deals offered to guys north of 30 (Pujols). Now we are starting to see them offered to young guys so the jury is still out on if any work out.

I will say Bryce Harper got that type of deal and he just won an MVP in year 3 of the deal. So that is a win win for both parties so far

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Prosperdick said:

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Ag_07 said:

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If 10/350 was such a no brainer to take why hasn't he taken it? And why are they just now making a revised offer?

You'd think he'd have taken it way back before the lockout or said 'Ill take that if you add in some opt outs' and they'd have done that ASAP.

I really think he just doesn't want to go to BAL.

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The only reason to wait is on the slim hope another franchise can approach this ridiculous number as well as the ridiculous number of years.

Someone asked when has a player turned down a contract of this magnitude...when has a player ever lived up to the contract, especially the last half of it.

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You can't blame the player for taking it if they don't pan out. Thats on the franchise for offering it.

I would say I don't think it's yet to truly work out for any team, but also we've only really seen these deals offered to guys north of 30 (Pujols). Now we are starting to see them offered to young guys so the jury is still out on if any work out.

I will say Bryce Harper got that type of deal and he just won an MVP in year 3 of the deal. So that is a win win for both parties so far

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I wouldn't call that a win-win just yet even if getting prime production. If you give out a contract like that you either have to be willing to spend like the Mets or you have to be basically perfect in the rest of your moves. In both situations, you really have to also really pray for healthy seasons.

So I started looking at the Phillies since I know they have Wheeler and Realmuto also. It's rare you see a more lopsided payroll. $75-80M locked up in those three (just under 45%) for the next three years and $193M on the books for 2022 without being markedly improved over an 82-80 team. I guess they could have some rookie talent. They're going to lose like 8 free agents next year as well. Sounds exactly like the angels with trout. Can't afford pitching (or can't afford to spread their chips around the roulette board to hedge for an off year or injuries), so they never make the postseason.

When you really dig into it, it just leaves no room for error. Same thing would happen to the Orioles. Really glad we don't commit to those. At this point, I'd rather have Peña and room to trade for a frontline starter than Correa for 10 years.

If Pena is the best defensive player in the Astro Organization, and he hits .260 w 15 -20 homers, is CC 30M a better player? Correa had his best year last year in a loaded lineup. He's going to get pitched around In Baltimore and the pressure is going to be on to produce on a cellar dwelling team. Not to mention, the Jays are set to dominate that division for the next 5 years. We're about to find out if it's really all about the ego of getting a bigger deal than Lindor.

Prosperdick said:

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Ag_07 said:

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If 10/350 was such a no brainer to take why hasn't he taken it? And why are they just now making a revised offer?

You'd think he'd have taken it way back before the lockout or said 'Ill take that if you add in some opt outs' and they'd have done that ASAP.

I really think he just doesn't want to go to BAL.

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The only reason to wait is on the slim hope another franchise can approach this ridiculous number as well as the ridiculous number of years.

Someone asked when has a player turned down a contract of this magnitude...when has a player ever lived up to the contract, especially the last half of it.

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In general, I don't like these kinds of deals. They usually end up paying prime money for way past their prime or not enough years of a player's prime.

Some have worked out before. Here are a few:
(22) Trout 6/144.5 best money ever spent?
(28) Ramirez 8/160 Manny being Manny was worth it
(27) Altuve 7/163.5 He's not playing at the 2016-17 level but he's still good. Hopefully, this one works out til the end.
(27) Strasberg 7/175 is looking like money well spent.
(30) Verlander 7/180 ended up working. he was declining but reinvigorated his career in Houston.
(26) Jeter 10/189 was fine. tailed off a little at the end.
(30) Scherzer 7/210 easily was worth every penny
(25) Kershaw 7/215 had a little up and down, but ultimately was elite for most of it
(25) Rodriguez 10/252 hate him or not he was an all-timer during this deal

Most of the guys above got these contracts in their 20s. It's much more likely to work out with say Correa at 27 than Semien at 31.