***Official Houston Astros 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

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EastCoastAgNc said:


They owners don't want a deal


Same could be said of the players. It takes compromising your positions. And neither are willing to concede.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


They owners don't want a deal
Previous CBA

Min Salary
2017 - 535 K
2018 - 545 K
2019 - 555 K
2020 - 563.5 K
2021 - 570.5 K

MLB OFFER
2022 - 700 K
2023 - 710 K
2024 - 720 K
2025 - 730 K
2026 - 740 K

CBT
2017 - 195 M
2018 - 197 M
2019 - 206 M
2020 - 208 M
2021 - 210 M

MLB OFFER

2022 - 220 M
2023 - 220 M
2024 - 220 M
2025 - 224 M
2026 - 230 M

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but there is no current pre-arb bonus pool right?

30 M Pre Arb Bonus Pool

The owners have absolutely made a significant offer based on where things stood.

EDIT: Added latest offer to previous for comparision.
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That is a pretty nice leap in the minimum! (129.5k)
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and there it is....

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Fired up Lance is the best Lance.



While I don't think the owner's offer is insulting at all. I do think their tactics are complete bull***** I don't trust them as far as I can bunt them.
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Farmer1906 said:

Fired up Lance is the best Lance.



While I don't think the owner's offer is insulting at all. I do think their tactics are complete bull***** I don't trust them as far as I can bunt them.

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If all he cares about is baseball then Lance should play for the league minimum and give the rest of his salary away to younger players.

Yeah...That's what I thought. Stop with the 'All we wanna do is play ball' BS. Kinda like the whole Wherever, Whenever campaign we saw a while ago.
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I don't give a **** which side wins. I just want baseball.
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Love Lance but that is complete and utter BS. If you love the game then go play. Be willing to take less money, be willing to call 10 million a year a massive contract and have more guys that are younger make more that way. Then convince owners to lower ticket prices accordingly and build the game.

Neither side loves the game. They love to make money off of being good at the game, thats it.

I will never feel sorry for the players rejecting that offer, and this is exactly why I hate unions. They think they're owed something just because they exist. You are an employee, you are worth what someone is willing to pay you... nothing more. You aren't owed JACK.

Will I miss the season if it were cancelled absolutely, will I get over it and find something else to do with my time, yup. Will the owners continue to make money in whatever venture made then the millions to be able to afford a ball club, YUP. So the only one losing out by being a stubborn ass is the players and they better figure that out real quick
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Ag_07 said:

If all he cares about is baseball then Lance should play for the league minimum and give the rest of his salary away to younger players.

Yeah...That's what I thought. Stop with the 'All we wanna do is play ball' BS. Kinda like the whole Wherever, Whenever campaign we saw a while ago.
I tend to agree. He may be communicating ineffectively, but to say that a bump to $740k min for each and every player lacks fairness is absurd to me. Guess it is all subjective though.
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Players saying we just want to play and this is our game is one if the most eye rolling things I've ever seen
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Sounds like the Union folks will speak tonight too after Rob
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so from the Astros schedule perspective...

if games are going to be cancelled...don't want it to be just the first week (at home vs. Philly and NYY)

make it 2 weeks, so the 9-game west coast road trip is sacked as well.

start the season on Monday, April 18th at home vs. LAAA
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EastCoastAgNc said:




With all due respect, I would rather funnel bleach down my throat.
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texasaggie2015 said:

EastCoastAgNc said:




With all due respect, I would rather funnel bleach down my throat.
That's plenty respectful...I could think of another part of my body I'd rather funnel it through than listen to that clown talk
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BayAg_14 said:

I don't give a **** which side wins. I just want baseball.
https://12thman.com/news/2022/2/28/baseball-game-preview-vs-hbu.aspx
https://ts.la/eric59704
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Lance deactivated twitter...
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Probably because everyone blew him up and doesn't feel his millionaire pitty party
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First 2 regular season series cancelled so far.
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That is completely ****ed if they just start canceling things and not rescheduling. It'll create a bigger imbalance than there already is. Plus some teams get more home games now. WTF
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Clown.
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Someone asked Rob if he regretted his part in not doing more to repair the relationship after the last CBA in 2016, his response was basically "well they agreed to that deal, it's their fault". What a crock...
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We all knew this was coming. These morons can't get out of their own way.
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I'm not sure it is a crock but that is what this negotiation has come down to. The owners and players have agreed to deals including in 2016 which appear to be more favorable to the owners. The owners want slight increases to the status quo and the players want to dig in and right the last 8+ years in one deal with substantial changes. They have every right to do that and maybe they succeed. MLB gave in during the 2020 Covid negotiations and gave the players more % salary than the % of games played and again in 2021 when the players would not negotiate any rule changes (like NL DH). They may give in again soon but a little more at stake this time.

Another problem is the assumption that most teams are raking in profits. The only one we know is the Braves (haven't seen the Cubs) and they made $28 million last year after losing about $110 million the year before with no fans. Increase in FMV of a franchise is nice but it doesn't generate cash flow to satisfy limited partners and debtholders.

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Manfred laughing about the situation does not help the MLB's case.
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I have not listened to this yet, but I can only imagine what was said...
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Both sides trying to make it look like the others fault. They should go with the MLB CBT. We don't need more of a gap between small and large market teams. Players just want more room for crazy contracts on the top players. Go with the players minimum salary if it about young players. Also go with $55M in the bonus pool and let's play ball!
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Yeah that was just bad on Lances part

I'd have no issue with him saying they're looking for an agreement that would provide stability for future players and create more balance for younger players.

The all we care about is playing baseball was the miscue. No one believes that isn't for a split second.

Again...both sides are a joke.
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I loathe unions, but I also understand the need to keep owners in line… more from a safety perspective, but still.

I get what a lot of you are saying, and I don't have a clue if owners really are raking in zillions. I do know that I don't like bullies, so for the first time ever I am rooting for the players to take it to the "man(fred)"
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
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