***Official Houston Astros 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

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Farmer1906
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7:41a, 3/19/22
AG
Who's gunna tell them?

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7:42a, 3/19/22
AG
I'm excited to see what Peña can do and see how we deploy that $$ to improve the roster elsewhere
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7:47a, 3/19/22
AG
So the Astros didn't want to keep him?

Dumb move if we could have gotten him for that same deal.
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7:48a, 3/19/22
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Like many, I don't get it. I do agree with Crane and Click wanting some stability.

Good news is that this should allow space for some trade deadline deals.

And for Carlos, loved you man. What great postseason memories. Too bad you're now stuck in a hellhole of a city with no shot at doing what you do best.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
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7:50a, 3/19/22
If the opt outs were the sticking point I'm glad we stood our ground.

If he was gonna go anywhere I'm glad it's here, at least I can watch him play on the regular.

I'm gonna catch so much crap at church tomorrow and work Monday.
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In reply to Marvin • 7:50a, 3/19/22
We will have the money for a trade but dunno if we have the prospect bullets.

I find it fascinating and sad they will give a 38 year old JV coming off a blown elbow $50M but won't give their guy who is 26 $100M. Both would have opt outs.
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7:52a, 3/19/22
AG
Maybe it was the second opt out that was the sticking point?
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7:56a, 3/19/22
Roast me all you want but to me its still about the scandal. A year or to removed from the Astros and fans forget quick what happened, plus he showed what he could do for a different team. Maybe better offers come his way. No way he was rolling in offers from all these team and the Twins became the ideal fit. The only other massive contract was from the Orioles, that is very telling.
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8:05a, 3/19/22
Bye.
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8:06a, 3/19/22
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8:10a, 3/19/22
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Sure it's a business, not sure how you otherwise don't keep at least one of Correa or Springer long term.

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8:11a, 3/19/22
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8:12a, 3/19/22
Gonna be interesting to see if this is the start of a new era of "mercenary baseball." Obviously, opt-outs aren't a new concept, but I feel like this may be setting a precedent. Big deals going forward, even long-term ones, are gonna have the player-option opt-out in the early years. Sign a 7 year / $245MM deal and win an MVP in year one? Opt out and hit the market looking for a new 7 year for $265MM. Once the horse has left the barn…
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8:12a, 3/19/22
AG
OK, get busy spending some ****ing money now.
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8:13a, 3/19/22
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Just woke up and saw this


I'm absolutely floored we did not match that offer. Wtf
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8:14a, 3/19/22
Played out just like I thought. Story would get intensified interest once Correa signed. Especially from Astros.
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8:18a, 3/19/22
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In reply to Coog97 • 8:18a, 3/19/22
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Pretty concerning for the sport IMO. Part of the draw is really good players sticking around teams for at least a few years. If they escalate opt-outs to every season it's going to be a bit of the Wild West in terms of fan engagement.
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8:18a, 3/19/22
AG
I'd love to hear how this all went down.

A team NOBODY thought would get him, and he signs for 3 years 35 MM per??

There's got to be more to this story.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:20a, 3/19/22
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Too soon
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:20a, 3/19/22
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Farmer1906 said:


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8:27a, 3/19/22
Looks like cheap Houston franchise owners is a common theme.
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In reply to tremble • 8:30a, 3/19/22
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Pretty concerning for the sport IMO. Part of the draw is really good players sticking around teams for at least a few years. If they escalate opt-outs to every season it's going to be a bit of the Wild West in terms of fan engagement.


Don't see this happening across the board. To hard to build a team if you dont know year after year who you will have.
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8:31a, 3/19/22
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I could have stomached it more if he took the 10 year Baltimore deal.

What sucks now is he will opt out, and be a free agent again after 2023. Which he probably would have done here anyways had we matched that offer. So we lost out on having another 2 years of Prime Carlos
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8:31a, 3/19/22
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I think I agree with not giving him opt outs. It's not a move that a team with a $200mm payroll and plans for competing for titles for many years can do easily. Too much uncertainty. It's definitely a move a team with a $130mm payroll just hoping for one crack at glory can make.

We don't have the minor league system to enhance through trades unless we take on bad contracts, we need to get Story. Pretty much him and Soler left of the top 50 free agents. I may be missing one.

Warming up on Story's road splits. Horrendous last year but acceptable in previous 3. Plus Minute Maid is nice for righties so won't lose all the home numbers.
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In reply to n_touch • 8:32a, 3/19/22
n_touch said:
tremble said:
Pretty concerning for the sport IMO. Part of the draw is really good players sticking around teams for at least a few years. If they escalate opt-outs to every season it's going to be a bit of the Wild West in terms of fan engagement.




Don't see this happening across the board. To hard to build a team if you dont know year after year who you will have.


"Not our problem."
-Scott Boras and friends

FWIW, I hope you turn out to be right.
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In reply to Coog97 • 8:33a, 3/19/22
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Coog97 said:
n_touch said:
tremble said:
Pretty concerning for the sport IMO. Part of the draw is really good players sticking around teams for at least a few years. If they escalate opt-outs to every season it's going to be a bit of the Wild West in terms of fan engagement.




Don't see this happening across the board. To hard to build a team if you dont know year after year who you will have.


"Not our problem."
-Scott Boras and friends


Scott Boras is a disease. I put him just below Putin who need to be removed from this world
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In reply to Taxman90 • 8:33a, 3/19/22
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Reasonable take, although I think we have more coveted guys in our system than the rankings would have you believe. Our player development system is top notch.
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In reply to BayAg_14 • 8:34a, 3/19/22
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BayAg_14 said:
Looks like cheap Houston franchise owners is a common theme.


Be mad but Crane has been anything but cheap. Tilman and Les weren't afraid to spend either.
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In reply to BayAg_14 • 8:36a, 3/19/22
BayAg_14 said:
Looks like cheap Houston franchise owners is a common theme.


Your forgetting one factor. The player. Was it a given that Carlos wanted to stay? There was probably more to it than just money in this situation.
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8:39a, 3/19/22
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I would be excited about what Trevor Story would be able to do in a lineup like ours. Also would add a speed element that Carlos doesn't have.

(Not saying Story is better than Correa, just that it would be a great signing)
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In reply to BayAg_14 • 8:40a, 3/19/22
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BayAg_14 said:
Looks like cheap Houston franchise owners is a common theme.


This is a weird take. Crane has proven to not be cheap (we traded for JV, Cole and Greinke)

Tillman isn't afraid of spending money either. CP3, Russell Westbrook, etc

Yeah it's frustrating, but I wouldnt say it's because the Astros got cheap.
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8:40a, 3/19/22
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It makes you wonder if they already had a viable backup deal with Story in place. I don't think they're absolutely sold on Peña, but I'd expect him to be on the opening day roster.
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In reply to n_touch • 8:41a, 3/19/22
n_touch said:
BayAg_14 said:
Looks like cheap Houston franchise owners is a common theme.


Your forgetting one factor. The player. Was it a given that Carlos wanted to stay? There was probably more to it than just money in this situation.


Well, that and the fact that the Astros have carried a top ten highest (top five for a couple of years) payroll for several years now.
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In reply to linkdude • 8:41a, 3/19/22
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linkdude said:
Crane's a cheapskate POS for not matching that. IDGAF about the opt outs...come on...

I'm excited for Pena, but still...

I mean I'm pissed we didn't match a 3 year offer. But can you really call someone a "cheapskate POS" for not matching an offer that would make someone the highest paid infielder?
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