***** Official Houston Astros 2018 Season Thread *****

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In reply to 6-4-3 • 10:22p, 5/31/18
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R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.

Correct on Yuli but he is not hitting for power or driving in runs which is worrisome. Wondering if the league has developed a book on how to pitch him
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In reply to 6-4-3 • 10:22p, 5/31/18
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R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.
Yuli is the 15th worst player in baseball according to WAR
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10:23p, 5/31/18
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Yuli has not been good this year.
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In reply to TayTrox • 10:32p, 5/31/18
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TayTrox34 said:
R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.
Yuli is the 15th worst player in baseball according to WAR
You belong on the Rangers thread with how you use stats... You should be looking at things besides WAR. That is meant to be aggregated over the course of a season or career and is highly dependent on games played. It's also not exact, but directional, and differences under about one full point are within the margin of error. Hint: Yuli missed a decent chunk of time this year.

You should be looking at wRC or a similar measure. Not saying he has been amazing, because we need more power from him, but to even insinuate that he's the 15th worst player in baseball is moronic.
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In reply to TayTrox • 10:37p, 5/31/18
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TayTrox34 said:
R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.
Yuli is the 15th worst player in baseball according to WAR
Also, did some fact checking... he has a WAR of .6..... not even close to bottom 15. Try again, chump.
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11:10p, 5/31/18
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For all the Giles haters...
















It doesn't change how I currently feel though..
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11:11p, 5/31/18
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Yuli has been crazy unlucky. And I don't have his BABIP numbers but I'm betting it's pretty low. He is constantly squaring up balls and hitting hard line drives.

I have no problem with Yuli as he is pretty consistent and you know what you're gonna get day in and day out.

He doesn't go through these 0-for-tweentysomething slumps with double digit Ks we see Marwin and Jake going through.

He's far from an issue, liability, or disappointment.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 11:11p, 5/31/18
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So just don't put him in up five...
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In reply to iBrad • 11:27p, 5/31/18
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iBrad said:
So just don't put him in up five...


This stat would support that move...
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:19a, 6/1/18
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bearkatag15 said:


For all the Giles haters...
















It doesn't change how I currently feel though..


How is blowing a 5 run lead not a blown save?

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12:27a, 6/1/18
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I think the main takeaway from that tweet is this:

Who the **** is Matt Lindstrom?
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In reply to Gramercy Riffs • 5:32a, 6/1/18
Gramercy Riffs said:
I think the main takeaway from that tweet is this:

Who the **** is Matt Lindstrom?
someone who played with the Astros before they won the world series.
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In reply to [removed post] • 6:34a, 6/1/18
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dlance said:
Frok said:
bearkatag15 said:


For all the Giles haters...
















It doesn't change how I currently feel though..


How is blowing a 5 run lead not a blown save?

Because he only blew the first 3 runs. Oddly enough, Giles was charged with 3, Harris was charged with 2, but Rondon got stuck with the Blown Save stat while being charged with zero runs.


Silly. If you came in first and can't finish it off then you should be tagged with it. That is a misleading stat because everyone knows Giles blew a lead 4 days ago.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 6:55a, 6/1/18
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BMX Bandit said:
Gramercy Riffs said:
I think the main takeaway from that tweet is this:

Who the **** is Matt Lindstrom?
someone who played with the Astros before they won the world series.

I know who he is. I either didn't set that up properly or you simply missed the point. What I'm saying is that I don't feel better about Giles just because he did something that Matt Lindstrom did. It was also a call back to earlier in the thread when we debated the importance of wins and someone mentioned Jeriome Robertson. One of the responses was "Who the **** is Jeriome Robertson?"

Thanks for implying that I'm a new fan though. That's adorable.
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In reply to Frok • 7:01a, 6/1/18
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Quote:
How is blowing a 5 run lead not a blown save?
Well coming in with a 5 run lead isn't a save situation.

Plus he was only charged with 3 of those so we still had the lead when he was done.
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7:25a, 6/1/18
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Holy cow this thread has become unbearable. We get a win and the whole thread is people *****ing.
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In reply to Gramercy Riffs • 7:48a, 6/1/18
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Gramercy Riffs said:
BMX Bandit said:
Gramercy Riffs said:
I think the main takeaway from that tweet is this:

Who the **** is Matt Lindstrom?
someone who played with the Astros before they won the world series.

I know who he is. I either didn't set that up properly or you simply missed the point. What I'm saying is that I don't feel better about Giles just because he did something that Matt Lindstrom did. It was also a call back to earlier in the thread when we debated the importance of wins and someone mentioned Jeriome Robertson. One of the responses was "Who the **** is Jeriome Robertson?"

Thanks for implying that I'm a new fan though. That's adorable.


Maybe I should just have said saves are Nickleback
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In reply to TayTrox • 8:14a, 6/1/18
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TayTrox34 said:
R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.
Yuli is the 15th worst player in baseball according to WAR


Not even CLOSE to the truth. The worst players in baseball have negative WAR. Think in terms of Odor and Marisnick. Also, as a previous poster pointed out, he has had some bad luck on well hit balls, which should balance out over 162 games.
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In reply to 6-4-3 • 8:18a, 6/1/18
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in addition to Yuli's WAR being 0.7, Marwin's is 0.3. Neither of this guy's "stats" are anywhere remotely close to true.
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In reply to The Milkman • 8:23a, 6/1/18
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Yep. I will say the Orioles must be mouth vomiting on the Chris Davis contract. Worst WAR in the league I believe.
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In reply to The Milkman • 8:24a, 6/1/18
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I wonder how WAR works with a player like Marwin who doesn't play one particular position.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 8:27a, 6/1/18
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Ag_07 said:
I wonder how WAR works with a player like Marwin who doesn't play one particular position.
It's fine for hitting... but defensive WAR is a joke anyway and is even more of a joke for a player like Marwin.
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In reply to Buck Compton • 8:31a, 6/1/18
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Buck Compton said:
Ag_07 said:
I wonder how WAR works with a player like Marwin who doesn't play one particular position.
It's fine for hitting... but defensive WAR is a joke anyway and is even more of a joke for a player like Marwin.

But doesn't offensive WAR have a positional component to it?

What positional component would you use for Marwin?
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In reply to Ag_07 • 8:42a, 6/1/18
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You just take innings played at each position and make the weighted average offensive adjustment to the sum of batting, base running, GIDP, and fielding runs. Not ideal, but not a huge deal either.
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In reply to The Milkman • 9:32a, 6/1/18
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The Milkman said:
in addition to Yuli's WAR being 0.7, Marwin's is 0.3. Neither of this guy's "stats" are anywhere remotely close to true.
Yeah, just doing a quick sort of ESPN's WAR (because I still can't figure out how to view baseball-reference's WAR outside of the top 10 players), over 200 batters have a negative WAR this year. Granted, a lot of those guys have less than 10 PAs but it's still very obvious TayTrox has no clue what he's talking about.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:39a, 6/1/18
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Ag_07 said:
Bregman and the obstruction call.
Like Reddick with catcher's interference last year and Gattis with triples 2 years ago.
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9:39a, 6/1/18
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I pulled up Giles' game logs. Here are the runs he gave up.

  • Gave up one run in the ninth, up 4-0
  • Gave up one run in the ninth, down 1-3
  • Gave up four runs in the ninth, tied 0-0 (and then punched himself in the face)
  • Gave up three runs in the ninth, up 8-3

To me, the four to the Yankees is his one truly terrible performance. The Cleveland game was an anomaly because the first batter he faced battled him to a 17-pitch AB. Giles averages 12.5 pitches per outing. Hindsight is 20/20, but he likely should have been pulled after that AB, or at least after the next hit.

The problem was that Harris came in and was even less effective, and Rodon couldn't put hitters away. Those two guys could have helped out their fellow relief pitcher, but failed.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:41a, 6/1/18
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Ag_07 said:
I doubt Cora was arguing the call. He was probably arguing how you can change a call after a conversation.
Yep. If they change a call you have to get your piece said. Could help a 50/50 call go your way later.
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In reply to MAROON • 9:54a, 6/1/18
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MAROON said:
R_S Bond 92 said:
Yuli is hitting over .280 and Gattis has been hitting for more power than just about anyone in our roster in the last few weeks.

Correct on Yuli but he is not hitting for power or driving in runs which is worrisome. Wondering if the league has developed a book on how to pitch him


Hammate injuries tend to rob you of power for a while. I'm impressed he's even produced like he has.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:00a, 6/1/18
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good point. He's on my fantasy team so I'm hyper aware of his production. Was counting on him for 70+ rbi's and double digit dingers this year. So far I'm getting a decent avg. and decent # of runs scored.
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10:49a, 6/1/18
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Good MLB Network video on Correra

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10:58a, 6/1/18
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Looking at Sale so far this season... He has a great ERA like normal, but he seems to give up homeruns pretty regularly, at least 1 HR given up in 8 of his last 10 starts. Also he got shelled in his last outing vs Atlanta. 4.1 IP, 5 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 1 HR.

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In reply to bearkatag15 • 11:08a, 6/1/18
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bearkatag15 said:
Looking at Sale so far this season... He has a great ERA like normal, but he seems to give up homeruns pretty regularly, at least 1 HR given up in 8 of his last 10 starts. Also he got shelled in his last outing vs Atlanta. 4.1 IP, 5 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 1 HR.


Bregman/Sale rematch. Someone's jersey is getting cut up tonight.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 11:13a, 6/1/18
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bearkatag15 said:
Looking at Sale so far this season... He has a great ERA like normal, but he seems to give up homeruns pretty regularly

Duh...





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