rgt99 said:

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I'm not a manager obviously, , but couldn't we pitch Peacock in game five, and try and squeeze one out in any, then have Kechel and Verlander in six and seven? Or is it better to have Kechel pitch game six?

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You can't. This is basically a must win game. Right now the pitching is advantage Houston. You cannot give up the advantage. Worry about game 7 if it ends up there.

astros4545 said:

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Astros are -119 favorites
Yankees -101

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Where is that from?


Here is what I see today
Astros -115, 1.5(+140), O 7.5 (-115)
Yankees +105, +1.5(-160), U 7.5 (-105)

World Series
Dodgers -160
Astros +280
Yankees +350
Cubs +4000

It cannot be said enough. To everyone thinking you run out Peacock tonight, you just can't. You do that you risk losing in 6 with JV sitting on the bench never pitching again. If you are going to lose, you damn well better do it with no bullets left in the gun. If Hinch rolls that set of dice and loses he gets fired. It's playoff baseball and the best team doesn't always win. But you cannot lose holding JV back.

Daddy Keuchel is gonna mow down these chuckles tonight. Hoping and praying the homepage umpire isn't blind dumb and deaf tonight like the last couple have been.

Bats need to put on a show. And in regards to whomever was posting earlier about not making the pitchers work, that was not at all the case last night. They had Gray on a high pitch count after 5 innings and (sans Correa) had great ABs against the guy who relieved him in the 6th inning.

This is one of those times when you want Carlos Beltran in the locker room exuding a sense of calm and helping the guys go about their business.

We just need some GD runs.

Break out and hang 5+ on these jokers and we can cruise with Dallas on the bump

Here's to hoping Hinch doesn't pull another starter that has allowed 2 hits, 1 run and only has 80-something pitches!

Give it a rest

he was going to have to go the bullpen at some point.

hot take Hinch cost the Astros the game guy is hilarious.

Does waiting one more batter or even after the 7th inning make Devo any more effective?

Yeah he should've probably stayed in, but I don't think it would've made a difference. The BP sucked and I don't think waiting just a little bit longer changes that.

And I think it all goes back to not having a shutdown lefty specialist. He put in Devo because of the lefties DiDi and Bird coming up and he liked Devo's numbers against lefties.

Not having a stout LRP has and is killing us.

I think what is baffling is that he had Peacock in the BP and did not use him...thats my biggest beef

ClickClack said:

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bobinator said:

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I would have pulled Lance 100 times out of 100 last night. The bullpen just didn't get it done.

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Fine. But then put in Peacock to finish out the game. Not Devenski plus Giles, or whatever his plan was from the beginning.

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And who pitches today if Peacock didn't get it done?

Philip J Fry said:

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ClickClack said:

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bobinator said:

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I would have pulled Lance 100 times out of 100 last night. The bullpen just didn't get it done.

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Fine. But then put in Peacock to finish out the game. Not Devenski plus Giles, or whatever his plan was from the beginning.

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And who pitches today if Peacock didn't get it done?

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FINKLE IS EINHORN>?!?!

ClickClack said:

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bobinator said:

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I would have pulled Lance 100 times out of 100 last night. The bullpen just didn't get it done.

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Fine. But then put in Peacock to finish out the game. Not Devenski plus Giles, or whatever his plan was from the beginning.

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At the time, I would have gone straight to Giles to face the 3-4-5 hitters with nobody on base because he seems to do a lot better when the bases are empty when he comes in, but in retrospect that probably would have failed also.

Giles hadn't given up more than one earned run in an appearance in Sept. 8, and the last time he did it before that was June 6. He's only given up multiple hits four times in his last 27 appearances and two of those times were in blowout situations.

So I have no problem with going to Giles, his numbers have been good, he just didn't get the job done.

Devenski has been a little shaky lately, but he's been that guy all season so I didn't have a huge problem at the time of going to Devo.

But yeah, look, these guys were going to have to get the job done eventually. If peacock goes in last night, then they'd probably have to go in tonight.

We all know the bullpen would probably cost us a game at some point in the postseason. Last night was that game, now let's go win the series anyway.

Waiting one more batter may have helped. IIRC Devo got hardly any time to warm up.

Who knows though.

Philip J Fry said:

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ClickClack said:

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bobinator said:

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I would have pulled Lance 100 times out of 100 last night. The bullpen just didn't get it done.

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Fine. But then put in Peacock to finish out the game. Not Devenski plus Giles, or whatever his plan was from the beginning.

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And who pitches today if Peacock didn't get it done?

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We had a 4-1 lead. That's the time to bring out Peacock to pitch 3 innings. He's been your most dependable guy most of the year. You bring him in there and close it out.

Instead we burned through 3 other pitchers. So even if Peacock didn't get it done and you had to bring in someone else, you still burn one less pitcher. I'm not sure of your point really. You're going to have to use somebody in that situation. I think there was a much higher likelihood of Peacock holding onto the lead there and you only end up using one arm.

gambochaman said:

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I think what is baffling is that he had Peacock in the BP and did not use him...thats my biggest beef

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Alot of people (including myself) thought the plan going in was to make game 4 a McCullers/Peacock show. No idea why Peacock wasn't brought in if Hinch was dead set on pulling LMJ. It will be interesting to see who comes out of the BP today if Keuchel can't go the distance. I'm assuming Peacock.

gambochaman said:

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also, I am a bag of nerves and anxiety right now

Please God let the bats come out of their slump tonight....PLEASE

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Oddly, I am not. I am damn proud of this team and what they have accomplished to this point. They still have a chance to do what they needed to do all along by taking 1/3 from NY on the road. Do that and you come home with two shots to close it out. We were never sweeping our way through the ALCS and WS. This is October baseball and only 4 teams are left. The Yankees are here for a reason, they beat a really good Indians team. Lets take a deep breath, have Keuchel the Yankee killer kick some a** tonight, and wake up the bats.

Schrute said:

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gambochaman said:

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I think what is baffling is that he had Peacock in the BP and did not use him...thats my biggest beef

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Alot of people (including myself) thought the plan going in was to make game 4 a McCullers/Peacock show. No idea why Peacock wasn't brought in if Hinch was dead set on pulling LMJ. It will be interesting to see who comes out of the BP today if Keuchel can't go the distance. I'm assuming Peacock.

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You use Peacock then you burn your long reliever and potential game 7 starter. How often do you bring in a guy to throw the final 3 innings of a game? We got a deep enough start from out starter. You have a formula where you use your 7th, 8th, and 9th inning guys (not always in that order based on the line up). It seems fairly cut and dry.

Now if Lance can only get you 3 or 4 innings then Peacock is your guy. We might need Peacock tonight to pitch several if Dallas struggles. We put extreme expectations of Dallas & Justin, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities that they have a bad night.

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ATM9000 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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We've scored more runs on the Yankee BP than we have their starters.

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Wrong.

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I'd be interested in seeing the numbers.

As far as who gets credit for the runs it'll be the starters but who we've actually scored them against it's got to be the BP right?

Like last night. Gray gets the runs on his line but they were scored off Robertson.

I think we've fared pretty well against their BP in what many thought was their biggest strength.

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All 4 last night were off their BP
The one the night before was off their BP
On Saturday , 1 off Severino and 1 off Chapman
On Friday, Tanaka was pitching for both.
6 on BP and 3 on SP

technically 2 of last night's runs got charged to Gray, but yes, they actually scored when Yuli hit off their releiver

Farmer1906 said:

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Schrute said:

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gambochaman said:

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I think what is baffling is that he had Peacock in the BP and did not use him...thats my biggest beef

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Alot of people (including myself) thought the plan going in was to make game 4 a McCullers/Peacock show. No idea why Peacock wasn't brought in if Hinch was dead set on pulling LMJ. It will be interesting to see who comes out of the BP today if Keuchel can't go the distance. I'm assuming Peacock.

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You use Peacock then you burn your long reliever and potential game 7 starter. How often do you bring in a guy to throw the final 3 innings of a game? We got a deep enough start from out starter. You have a formula where you use your 7th, 8th, and 9th inning guys (not always in that order based on the line up). It seems fairly cut and dry.

Now if Lance can only get you 3 or 4 innings then Peacock is your guy. We might need Peacock tonight to pitch several if Dallas struggles. We put extreme expectations of Dallas & Justin, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities that they have a bad night.

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This is a fair point. I just wanted to hear any good reason why not use Peacock there because to me it seems like he's just rotting in the bullpen. But this is a plausible reason.

Yes. I was referring to who they were scored off of and not who they were charged to.

My point was the strength of their BP is where we've done our (albeit very little) damage.

Which is completely opposite of how I saw this series shaking out.

Exactly. I didn't go by who was charged the run. Just went off who was pitching when they were scored.

Which shows you the quicker we can get to their pen the better in my opinion. We hammered their starters in the regular season but that hasn't been the case so far in the ALCS. We still have two of the best pitchers in the league going for us in game 5 and 6. Most people thought we'd win in 6. Not going to be an issue.

agdaddy04 said:

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Which shows you the quicker we can get to their pen the better in my opinion. We hammered their starters in the regular season but that hasn't been the case so far in the ALCS. We still have two of the best pitchers in the league going for us in game 5 and 6. Most people thought we'd win in 6. Not going to be an issue.

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Also, not for nothing, but Peacock has one relief appearance since the middle of May right? And he wasn't exactly lights out the last time he was on the mound either.

Yeah. I don't think anyone saw us getting basically blanked by the Yankees SP. They are outchcing better than they have all year. It's that time of year.