***** Official Houston Astros 2017 Season Thread *****

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You have to enjoy the wins, enjoy the good times, otherwise what's the point?
truth

for the fans, it really isn't the hardware that matters. i honestly believe that.

as critical as i came across on here, it's mostly just internet *****in cuz boredom. astros made a good faith effort. can't GM injuries to an ace in the middle of the season. the window is open (although it appears they're going to have to spend if they want to get over the hump). the rangers rolled over and died, finally. **** it, maybe they really can mash their way to the WS.

and playoff baseball is more constantly tense than any football game. that's what the fans look forward to. the epinephrine release.
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jreeves1263 said:

cap-n-jack said:

I was listening to the radio broadcast yesterday and they interviewed Jim Crane. He said they had several deals on their desk yesterday and approved at the GM level but they got killed by ownership of the trade partners. I don't know if that's been covered here but I thought it was interesting, they weren't just sitting on their hands.
Is that like when the car salesman has to take your offer to the sales manager to get an approval? Then he goes and gets a drink of water and comes back and says "My manager said no".

No.

It's more like searching the classifieds for a new job, sending in your resume, going to the interview, waiting to hear back, negotiating salary and benefits, doing the background check, accepting the offer, and quitting your current job only to have the CEO decide that this mid-level staff position should really be filled by someone with a PhD.
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Man, I was thinking about something this morning...

After all the meltdowns yesterday, including myself, if Luhnow is able to pull this ish off, with only trading one prospect, and win the world series, the Astros are really set. They will have enough salary room to sign some big deals to core players in the off season, and also have a full farm system to make some huge acquisitions this winter.

Maybe Lunhow is really really hoping the team gets it done this year, so they will have better and better chances in the next few years. Kind of like a domino effect, right? boy do I hope he is right.
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yes...Luhnow took a big risk by not trading any prospects. If he wins it all, he will come out looking like a freakin genius.

But, we could get to the ALCS or world series, lose a couple games via bullpen busts, and he will be ran out of Houston.

I for one will just cheer for our team to win the whole damn thing. I trust Luhnow. He got us here.
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IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away from being World Series favorites. Currently, I have us sitting fourth: LA, CLE, BOS, HOU, WAS/NYY.

I think Lunhow finds a way to address the needs in the offseason, this team continues to mature and build resiliency and we get it done next season.
I'm not ruling is out this year, but the odds got lower yesterday.
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Wizard said:

IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away from being World Series favorites. Currently, I have us sitting fourth: LA, CLE, BOS, HOU, WAS/NYY.

I think Lunhow finds a way to address the needs in the offseason, this team continues to mature and build resiliency and we get it done next season.
I'm not ruling is out this year, but the odds got lower yesterday.
There is no way they are 4th. I'm a pretty fair realist, but there is no offense in the AL who can score as much as the Astros can. They have proven that
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Except playoff baseball doesn't equal regular season baseball. The pitching is superior. You face the best every game, not TOR, ATL, TB's 3/4 guy.

And we have not proven we can beat those AL teams in the regular season.
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I think we are the single most likely team to reach the World Series
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Wizard said:

IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away from being World Series favorites. Currently, I have us sitting fourth: LA, CLE, BOS, HOU, WAS/NYY.

I think Lunhow finds a way to address the needs in the offseason, this team continues to mature and build resiliency and we get it done next season.
I'm not ruling is out this year, but the odds got lower yesterday.


These are my thoughts as well. The chances for us go up exponentially if we have healthy keuchel, McCullers, Morton, and mchugh. This hasn't happened yet though, so you can't really expect it come October
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Wizard said:

IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away
our ability to use Peacock, Fiers, Morton, Devo is very interesting. Combined with our offense, it could carry us.

Thats one thing I am hanging my hat on.
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Wizard said:

Except playoff baseball doesn't equal regular season baseball. The pitching is superior. You face the best every game, not TOR, ATL, TB's 3/4 guy.

And we have not proven we can beat those AL teams in the regular season.
We are number two to WIN the WS here.

And we are also number two here on ESPiN
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Boston's isn't any better than ours. Price can't stay healthy, we have destroyed Porcello this year, and Sale can't pitch every game. We have proven we can win in NY in the playoffs, I think we can do the same in Fenway. I really like our chances versus Boston.

Cleveland on the other hand...
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Don't disagree that is COULD carry us.

A healthy Houston Astros roster allows for them to compete for a crown. It's clear Lunhow believes that and that he's not going to sell the farm for one magical season.
Hold steady and make a deal when there is value to increase your odds. Hopefully that pays off in the next three seasons.
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Nuke LaLoosh said:

Wizard said:

IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away from being World Series favorites. Currently, I have us sitting fourth: LA, CLE, BOS, HOU, WAS/NYY.

I think Lunhow finds a way to address the needs in the offseason, this team continues to mature and build resiliency and we get it done next season.
I'm not ruling is out this year, but the odds got lower yesterday.


These are my thoughts as well. The chances for us go up exponentially if we have healthy keuchel, McCullers, Morton, and mchugh. This hasn't happened yet though, so you can't really expect it come October


If you're counting our injuries, you've gotta count Boston's as well. Price hasn't looked great this year, plus he just went on the DL. No way the Astros should be behind Boston.
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he will be ran out of Houston
nfw
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solid stros blog that a coworker of mine sent me

The guy usually has a very analytical/even keel approach to the stros
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Astros #3

LAD/CLE 1-2
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cone said:

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he will be ran out of Houston
nfw
it was a figure of speech
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You heard it here first...Our chances in the playoffs depend greatly on one AJ Hinch.

He has to think outside the box and use the best guys out of the pen and stray away from using guys like Martes, Gregerson, Sipp (although I doubt he even has that option comes Oct).

If he realizes he can use Liriano (depending on how this experiment works out), Peacock, Morton, Giles and Devo in a variety of situations it can work. But he absolutely cannot afford to get cute. Don't let track record and past performance cloud your judgement.

Just please use your best guys and we'll stand a good a chance as anyone.
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good link

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In 2015, the Astros went out at the deadline and made a splash. First, they acquired Scott Kazmir for prospects Jacob Nottingham and Daniel Mengden. Next, they made a far bigger splash, trading outfield prospects Domingo Santana and Brett Phillips and pitching prospects Josh Hader and Adrian Houser to the Brewers for Carlos Gomez and Mike Fiers.

That trade, of course, was a disaster. Santana is still just 24, but in the midst of a .285/.374/.494, 2.4-WAR season that would make him the 5th best player on the 2017 Astros. He is under team control through 2021. The 23-year old Phillips put up a .954 OPS in Triple-A this season, and was recently recalled to take over as Milwaukee's center fielder. He is under control through 2023. And Hader, ranked as a top-25 prospect before the season, has a 0.90 ERA in his first 20 innings for the Brewers, though with a walk rate that needs to come down. At worst, he's their Chris Devenski, and may be a starter long-term.

Gomez was as bad as you can possibly be, while Fiers has been a serviceable #4/#5 starter, sometimes better, sometimes worse. He was left out of the 2015 post-season rotation and is not projected to be in the 2017 version either.

But what were the reviews at the time?

Bleacher Report gave the Astros' a B+ for the Gomez deal, and an A for the Kazmir pickup. The Twitter fan reaction was overwhelmingly positive. And ESPN.com's Keith Law, normally a balanced thinker on such things, was unequivocally supportive.

If you go back through reviews from past deadlines, it becomes clear that the teams that make moves are almost always praised by reporters and fans. The Rangers were the darlings of the 2016 deadline, acquiring Jonathan Lucroy, Jeremy Jeffress and Carlos Beltran. Yesterday, they quietly gave away Lucroy and Jeffress in two separate trades, while Beltran was a playoff rental for a team that won zero playoff games.

There are dozens of such stories. Here's the 2014 deadline winners and losers, which praises the A's as winners for renting Jon Lester and Jeff Samardzija, and the Giants - just across the Bay - as losers for largely standing pat. Of course, the Giants won the World Series in 2014, and the A's got knocked out in the first round, watched Lester sign with the Cubs, and have been in a tailspin ever since. They'll be bad for close to a full *decade*, largely because they went all-in for a 2014 ring. Oops.

This is all a result of a cognitive bias that is central to human nature, known in economics as activity bias. Doing something is naturally considered superior to doing nothing. This is why shopping malls are so good at getting people to spend money. "If I loaded up the kids and spent three hours of my day, I have to have something to show for it", the thinking goes. This is related to sunk cost fallacy.
activity bias

PLUS the media wants drama and they want it now.
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gotta get Harris back

Martes needs to stop ****ing up
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Astros #3

LAD/CLE 1-2

This is what fangraphs has for winning WS.

LAD
CLE
HOU
CHC
BOS
WAS
NYY
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Wizard said:

Except playoff baseball doesn't equal regular season baseball. The pitching is superior. You face the best every game, not TOR, ATL, TB's 3/4 guy.

And we have not proven we can beat those AL teams in the regular season.
Except that the people who have studied the analytics cannot find a clear advantage to pitching in the postseason. I think most studies on the analytics side have determined that pitching might have a slight advantage but due to sample sizes, etc. generally conclude that it is a split (i.e., having great pitching is not necessarily the best or only formula to winning a title).
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rosco511 said:

Wizard said:

Except playoff baseball doesn't equal regular season baseball. The pitching is superior. You face the best every game, not TOR, ATL, TB's 3/4 guy.

And we have not proven we can beat those AL teams in the regular season.
Except that the people who have studied the analytics cannot find a clear advantage to pitching in the postseason. I think most studies on the analytics side have determined that pitching might have a slight advantage but due to sample sizes, etc. generally conclude that it is a split (i.e., having great pitching is not necessarily the best or only formula to winning a title).
Ref: 2005 Stros
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Martes is way too erratic and inconsistent to pitch in the playoffs.

Last night was dreadful. The guy warms up and throws a pitch clear into the backstop then immediately nods that he's ready. Seriously?? Then he goes out and walks a couple, Ks a couple with great stuff, give up some runs, and beans a guy he had 0-2 on a pitch that was nowhere close to the strike zone.

He is young and has time but it is a bit concerning that wildness is a reoccurring theme with him throughout his ascent. He needs to put in a lot of work this offseason and next season could be a big one for him.
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I am not betting on him turning around to be reliable in the postseason, but we still have two months of the season left and he is still really young. As such, there is still a chance he finds it by the time the postseason rolls around.
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Not that your overall point isn't correct, but he actually carved up the first guy he faced. K'd him on three pitches.
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03_Aggie said:

nhayden said:

Our fans are such p***ies, my goodness. I swear these are the same posters that was blowing up talk radio this afternoon acting like the f***ing sky has fallen.




They did though didn't they?
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Wizard said:

IMO, we are one solid SP and RP away from being World Series favorites. Currently, I have us sitting fourth: LA, CLE, BOS, HOU, WAS/NYY.

I think Lunhow finds a way to address the needs in the offseason, this team continues to mature and build resiliency and we get it done next season.
I'm not ruling is out this year, but the odds got lower yesterday.
What. Their offense sucks and they did nothing to address it. I get that they have Sale but why else would you favor them?
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beans a guy he had 0-2 on a pitch that was nowhere close to the strike zone.
i thought it was 3-2
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and his 2nd out was even better

agree that he's too erratic to be reliable now
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Yeah I wasn't sure on the order of things but he goes from great to awful in a matter of pitches.

My fear is that they let him work it out now and he shows signs of getting it right, then they think they can turn to him in the playoffs, and he goes back to being erratic in a big game with intensity is ratcheted up.

I almost just wish he'd stay erratic and leave no doubt that he shouldn't be relied upon come October.
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he shouldn't be relied upon come October.
you're gonna have to run more than just Devo out there in middle relief
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