**Official Texas Rangers 2017 Season Thread** Staff Warning on OP

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GrapevineAg said:

How does the Astros' problem (of not being able to host their games) become the Rangers' responsibility? Sounds like the Rangers made an offer that Houston didn't like, so Houston went with another option (which is their prerogative). Does the MLB have a protocol for situations like this?
Not really a protocol per se, but the last time a hurricane impacted Houston home games they moved the series to Milwaukee.

Cubs-Astros to play at Miller Park
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Rangers should be pretty amped up for this series.

I'm expecting a Rangers sweep of the Astros.
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Evan Grant said the rangers offered to give all the proceeds from the games to the astros for the series. That would have been an EXCELLENT opportunity to raise money for Harvey in my opinion. Could have turned it into a joint fundraising effort between the two teams during the series. Donate all the proceeds from ticket sales to the relief effort
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Mike & Mike and Stu ripping the Rangers this morning.
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jtstanley4621 said:

Evan Grant said the rangers offered to give all the proceeds from the games to the astros for the series. That would have been an EXCELLENT opportunity to raise money for Harvey in my opinion. Could have turned it into a joint fundraising effort between the two teams during the series. Donate all the proceeds from ticket sales to the relief effort
Apparently not giving the Rangers any apparent advantage to make the WC is much more important.

You know the Rangers are so much better at home: 35-29 v 29-37

Think of all the displaced Astros fans who would have gone to games.
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Agnzona said:

Mike & Mike and Stu ripping the Rangers this morning.


You watch Mike and Mike?
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Is the baseball other moderator the most thin skinned moderator on Texags? He deleted a post that was clearly in jest saying " lifelong Rangers fan."

Good grief.
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Notoriously so.
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On a sidenote, for being such a tough guy, Nolan raised a a bit of a twink of a son. Maybe it was the tu-tcu combo.
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I've never understood the love of Nolan from Rangers fans. He's always been an ******* but I think it got worse once he stopped playing.
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Lost in this...

Houston was in Anaheim for a 3 game series. They have lost a 3 game home series and if things don't get better, they could end up playing the 3 game NYMets series in Tampa, as well.

Then, it is off for a 10 game West coast trip to Seattle, then Oakland and back to Anaheim. That could give them a 19 game road trip.

By moving the games to Tampa, instead of hosting them in Dallas... where they were sheltered, they've really created a tough situation for their players. They created another travel day. Any family that drove up to DFW to get out of the flooding could have been with them.

The likely could have worked out playing the Mets games in Arlington, where they could have some level of Astros support. They could have played afternoon games before Rangers games on Fri and Saturday. Then the flight to Seattle would have been shorter.

Now, if they host NYM in Tampa, they have a longer flight to Seattle.

It will be interesting to see the season impact of Reid Ryan's decision to spite the Rangers. He certainly hasn't gained any goodwill. And the Rangers should be ready to go against them in Tampa.
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Lt. Joe Bookman said:

Is the baseball other moderator the most thin skinned moderator on Texags? He deleted a post that was clearly in jest saying " lifelong Rangers fan."

Good grief.
It's just laughable at this point.
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Joe Sheehan -- a national guy with no allegiance to Rangers or Astros -- referenced Reid Ryan as throwing a tantrum.

Glad there are some out there that can see this for what it really is.
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Astros Not Wanting to Play Series in Arlington AND have proceeds donated to Harvey relief - Business decision for the Astros and total punk move to deny relief aid

Rangers Not Wanting to Swap Series - Business decision related to long road trip to end season and still in hunt for Wildcard

As far as I can see both teams made business decisions in the interest of their teams; however, its the Astros who are denying relief aid. Reid Ryan is throwing a tantrum, and he should be getting killed by Astros fans and Houstonians alike.
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I think both are right

Rangers are not being heartless...they are doing what they feel is right for their customers and organization
Astros are going through a disaster and do not want to give a divisional rival an advantage
YOu better believe Reid is gonna do everything he can to make the Rangers look bad

If Mets series was flipped would they have played home games at Arlington? Hell no...theyd rather go to Tampa each and everytime
The process worked this time....the only people who lose in this are the fans
I bet the 3-6 Astro fans in Tampa are stoked
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Enviroag02 said:

Astros Not Wanting to Play Series in Arlington AND have proceeds donated to Harvey relief - Business decision for the Astros and total punk move to deny relief aid
Not making a trade deadline deal was a business decision.

Not playing in Arlington and having the proceeds go to Harvey relief was a social decision.

The Rangers can further make the point by making a significant donation that would represent the money generated by the series being played in Arlington.

It then makes it purely a terrible move on the Astros' part, as the Rangers would have allowed the Astros to be the home team and still donate the money to Houston Relief... even though the Astros Ownership rejected the Relief.
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Given everything going down, it just seems ridiculous to get wound up about a few mid-week baseball games during the 2nd week of school. It's easier. There are fans here. Could raise some money.

Swapping was never going to happen with anyone.
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DallasAg 94 said:

Enviroag02 said:

Astros Not Wanting to Play Series in Arlington AND have proceeds donated to Harvey relief - Business decision for the Astros and total punk move to deny relief aid
Not making a trade deadline deal was a business decision.

Not playing in Arlington and having the proceeds go to Harvey relief was a social decision.

The Rangers can further make the point by making a significant donation that would represent the money generated by the series being played in Arlington.

It then makes it purely a terrible move on the Astros' part, as the Rangers would have allowed the Astros to be the home team and still donate the money to Houston Relief... even though the Astros Ownership rejected the Relief.


Being the team that bats second is not really an advantage...the Astros are trying to keep the first seed in the AL and don't want to play extra games at a rival stadium, this seems pretty simple from both sides
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free_mhayden said:

Joe Sheehan -- a national guy with no allegiance to Rangers or Astros -- referenced Reid Ryan as throwing a tantrum.

Glad there are some out there that can see this for what it really is.
Article being reference if anyone wants to read it...


As you've probably heard by now, the Rangers/Astros series originally scheduled to be played at Minute Maid Park this week has been moved to Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg due to the flooding in Houston. This isn't all that rare an occurrence; every few years, a series ends up being relocated due to one incident or another.

Back in 2015, civil unrest in Baltimore caused the Orioles and Rays to play a series scheduled for Camden Yards at Tropicana Field. The Orioles were the "home" team -- batted last and everything -- but the games were played at The Trop and were not "exchanged" for later home dates. Back in 2008, the Astros played a late-season series with the Cubs at Miller Park, due to Hurricane Ike's effects on Houston. The year before that, the Indians and Angels dodged a snowstorm in Cleveland by playing up in Milwaukee as well.

This particular bit of rescheduling seems obvious. While the ballpark in Houston is unscathed, the city itself is underwater. Traveling in and around it is challenging at best, and the city has no business assigning public-safety officers to a ballgame this week. Given the Orioles/Rays series as a recent example of a team sacrificing home games, and other examples of teams moving weather-challenged series to neutral sites with domes, playing these games in St. Pete shouldn't have raised eyebrows.

Enter Reid Ryan. Ryan, the Astros president, posted a version of events that threw the Rangers under the bus. "We went to the Rangers and said hey let's switch series. ... They rejected that and didn't want to do that. The Rangers wanted us to play the next 3 days at their place, but they did not want to trade series with us."

That's all factually correct, but it leaves out a fairly important point: changing home dates on one day's notice, and changing home dates on four weeks' notice, are not equivalent burdens.

Let's work the problem. Start with this: all of what follows is in the framework of baseball and the concerns of these teams. I am well aware that there is a bigger picture, but presumably Reid Ryan was as well when he threw his tantrum. Let's concede that these three games were going to be played, and they were absolutely not going to be played in Houston this week. That left three options.

Swap Home Series

This is one of those solutions that seems fair on the surface, but falls apart when you look at it just a little more closely. The Astros are scheduled to go to Arlington for three games September 25-27, during the season's final week. Ryan, and presumably other members of the Astros' braintrust, wanted to switch the two series, play at Arlington this week and have the Rangers come to Houston next month.

The biggest problem with that is it takes the burden of the rescheduling and lays it entirely at the feet of Rangers ticket holders. Forget the logistics; the Rangers were prepared to host three baseball games this week, just as the staff at The Trop will. Their fans, however, would have had their September tickets turned into August ones on a day's notice. Some may have been able to attend in any case, but no doubt many not only would not have, they also would not have been able to move their tickets on the secondary market. (As a practical matter, it would have fallen to the Rangers to refund or exchange the tickets of fans unable to make the earlier game dates.)

This move would have benefited those with tickets to this week's contests -- now rescheduled with plenty of notice -- and the Astros themselves, who would not lose three home dates. In the discussion, there's some elision between "Houston" and "the Astros." The vast majority of Astros fans are unaffected and would be unaffected by wherever the game was to be played: they'll be watching on television or following on the radio.

This would not have been an equal swap. It would have merely shifted the burdens and the costs from the Astros to the Rangers, from Astros ticket holders to Rangers ticket holders.

Play At Arlington

Once a series swap wasn't in play, this was the most obvious solution. Per multiple reports, the Rangers were willing to host the games in the manner the Rays hosted the Orioles -- treating the visitors as the home team -- while giving the Astros all the revenue. This would have certainly generated more money for the Astros than moving the series to Florida will, and by Thursday could well have become an event that Texans could rally around, raising money for hurricane victims as the state's two teams squared off in a pennant race.

The Astros were unwilling to do this. Ryan cited "the integrity of the schedule," which is a nice turn of phrase that apparently also includes "asking the Rangers to extend a long road trip by three games down the stretch" under its umbrella. It's not as if these games are critical to the Astros, who have a 13-game lead in the AL West and entered the night with a six-game lead over the Red Sox for the #1 seed in the American League. They would even keep the single most important part of home-field advantage, batting last. Despite all of these concessions, the Astros -- who had to know they would be losing the three home games under any circumstance -- demurred.

Play At Tropicana Field

It's hard to see choosing Tropicana Field over Globe Life Stadium as anything other than spiteful. On short notice, more money would have been made in Arlington than will be made in St. Pete. I guess there's always the possibility of curious looky-loos drawn to a spectacle, but this market doesn't show up for its own successful team, I doubt it's going to knock down the doors for two visitors passing through.

This was the worst of all possible options, maximizing inconvenience for everyone while minimizing revenue and passing up an opportunity to galvanize the state. It's a shame the Astros felt the need to end up here. I understand being frustrated over not getting the series swap you wanted, but with that off the table, choose the next-best option. Don't run off to Florida and cite "the integrity of the schedule."

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I recognize that emotions are high, but to me, the Rangers didn't do anything wrong here. There was a hurricane in Houston in August that rendered the city unable to host baseball games. That the solution to that should have fallen on Rangers fans holding tickets to September games strikes me as random. The Rangers offered their stadium and the money they'd make opening it for three days; what they weren't willing to do was stiff their own fans by changing the schedule on short notice. The Astros, or at least Reid Ryan, seem to think Rangers fans should have carried that weight. I can't say I see the argument.

This isn't about the thousands of Houstonians suffering tonight, fearful, lost, shocked. This is about two businesses having a fight, each protecting their self-interest. The city of Houston isn't being ravaged by Jon Daniels. Adrian Beltre isn't traipsing through H-Town gleefully tearing open sandbags. This is a dispute between spectacularly rich business entities. Let's not create gods and monsters of them.

There is no right and wrong here, and looking for it -- stirring up animus to win a public-relations war -- is the only immorality I see.
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gougler08 said:

DallasAg 94 said:

Enviroag02 said:

Astros Not Wanting to Play Series in Arlington AND have proceeds donated to Harvey relief - Business decision for the Astros and total punk move to deny relief aid
Not making a trade deadline deal was a business decision.

Not playing in Arlington and having the proceeds go to Harvey relief was a social decision.

The Rangers can further make the point by making a significant donation that would represent the money generated by the series being played in Arlington.

It then makes it purely a terrible move on the Astros' part, as the Rangers would have allowed the Astros to be the home team and still donate the money to Houston Relief... even though the Astros Ownership rejected the Relief.
Being the team that bats second is not really an advantage...the Astros are trying to keep the first seed in the AL and don't want to play extra games at a rival stadium, this seems pretty simple from both sides

Then why was batting 2nd mentioned?!

The Astros are 5 games ahead of Cleveland and 5.5 games ahead of Boston. If they were concerned about keeping first seed, they would have made a trade at the deadline. I contend they have actually handicapped themselves. The Astros players were in Dallas. They could have hunkered down for the series, having family visit. Instead they pack-up, fly to Tampa, unload in Tampa to get settled in there. They have a 3 game series. Then, either fly to Houston for a 3 game series or stay in Tampa.

While in Tampa, it isn't as if family can get there. Until one of the airports opens in Houston with routes to Tampa, they have to drive to Dallas, fly to Tampa.

Next, the Astros have to fly for a 10 game West Coast trip. See my post above.

I've done travel. Those types of trips are brutal and could see them tank in September.
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I know of a few Houston residents/Astros fans who are up in DFW for however long this is going to take. Same thing with people who are in DFW for school who are from Houston. I really don't think that Rangers fans would jump on the opportunity to make it some kind of all-Rangers crowd. I think that people displaced or people here for school would jump on the opportunity to buy tickets for the game. Hell, the games might have even sold out with Rangers and Astros fans. Putting money towards a good cause and also escaping for just a few hours from what's happening around you. It's unfortunate that that couldn't happen.
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I don't agree with expecting Reid Ryan to try and make the Rangers look bad. I think most other GMs wouldn't have made an attempt to make the other team look bad just because they didn't get what they wanted.

It'll play out bad in the media, but I think most front offices around baseball know which team was being petty.
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I may be wrong, but I believe that is aggietony's first comment on the matter. If so, came in guns a blazin
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TxAggie2001 on the trash talking thread letting everyone know that the Rangers having to adjust their final homestand, refund ticket holders and screw over fans was worth allowing Houston to get 3 games of homefield advantage.

Oh and also referencing one of our own as someone whose opinion isn't significant because he's just a "low level employee".

What a ****ing blowhard. Just so desperate to be contrarian. Is there anyway we can get Colorado take him along with Lucroy as a poster to be named later?
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And the Astros want someone beaned, but again, they're above such things. They don't do that.
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aggietony2010 said:

It could've been something special to have the series in Arlington. They could've given discounts for people in Astros gear, sold shirts to fundraise (some cheesy **** like "Texas Astros, today we're all Texans" or some crap like that), created a home atmosphere by letting the Astros have their walkup music, fireworks for their home runs, etc.

We could've rolled out the red carpet. But because we wouldn't suck their dicks while they walked down it, they refused.
AccidentProne could probably opine here, but the Rangers could have accepted Astros' tickets for the games and\or prioritized 713 area code requests.

There are many hoops the Rangers would have done.
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This whole thing had nothing to do with public opinion and shouldn't have. People want to talk about low? It was low to go run to the media and drag another organization through the mud because someone didn't get what they wanted. Quite frankly, that will likely have a significant impact on future dealings between the two organizations. The Rangers mistake was assuming that the Astros wouldn't go scorched earth if they didn't get exactly what they wanted.
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Lucky #007 said:

And the Astros want someone beaned, but again, they're above such things. They don't do that.


Like the sun setting in the west, you can count on those morons to resort to wanting someone beaned. What a bunch of embarrassing clowns.
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Agnzona said:

That may be all true but you and the Rangers ate not going to win in the court of public opinion and that's what really matters. On PR alone it was the wrong move.
Reid got the initial PR move in a typical TCU'esque move.

At the end of it... the Rangers will end up looking like the good guys and Astros' fans will equate this to the lack of a trade deadline deal.

ESPECIALLY when this bites the Astros because of the travel.

Like we've seen in the past. The Astros are not very good closers.
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DallasAg 94 said:


Like we've seen in the past. The Astros are not very good closers.
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AccidentProne said:

I may be wrong, but I believe that is aggietony's first comment on the matter. If so, came in guns a blazin
I actually removed some of the more graphic parts of my analogy.

I've been sitting here in Katy, watching the water fortunately recede before it threatened my house, reading **** on Texags, twitter, from co-workers (where our office is underwater), just getting progressively more ticked off about it.

The co-workers have had to receive responses I'm okay with having on corporate e-mail.

I almost shot off a tweet at Lopez last night, but decided not to, and that just stewed until this morning.

It's a baseball decsion. Not a humanitarian one. The Rangers did the best they could without compromising their short-term (wildcard) and long-term (ticket holder relationships) goals, and the Astros refused. It was their prerogative to refuse. If they had just said we're playing in Tampa, it would've been no big deal. Instead they decided to play the pity card, and make it personal.

Just like they made Odor's slide personal.

Just like they made the clearly unintentional HBPs earlier this season personal.
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I guess I just feel like the Astros shouldn't have cared in the first place where the game was played. I very highly doubt that, given the Astros' lead in the division, the series or the remaining games with the Rangers would have had really any impact on the Astros' season. I mean, the Rangers just got swept at the hands of the effing A's.... I am definitely not expecting us to sweep the Astros, and I don't think that where the game is played would end up mattering all that much. The Astros are playoff bound, barring some kind of insane slump, and the Rangers have not been nearly the thorn in their side that they were last season. Why not just play us in Arlington and beat us anyways? Extra bragging rights. They could say they spotted us an away series and still won.

And there is no denying that the Astros robbed DFW area fans of an opportunity to attend a meaningful series for reasons outside of the diamond.
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jtstanley4621 said:

I guess I just feel like the Astros shouldn't have cared in the first place where the game was played. I very highly doubt that, given the Astros' lead in the division, the series or the remaining games with the Rangers would have had really any impact on the Astros' season. I mean, the Rangers just got swept at the hands of the effing A's.... I am definitely not expecting us to sweep the Astros, and I don't think that where the game is played would end up mattering all that much. The Astros are playoff bound, barring some kind of insane slump, and the Rangers have not been nearly the thorn in their side that they were last season. Why not just play us in Arlington and beat us anyways? Extra bragging rights. They could say they spotted us an away series and still won.

And there is no denying that the Astros robbed DFW area fans of an opportunity to attend a meaningful series for reasons outside of the diamond.
This was an attempt to make it more difficult for the Rangers. Period. It makes it difficult for the Rangers because now we have to go to The Trop, instead of being at home. Reid Ryan so much as said so. He said we are not as good on the road, as we are at home.

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Lucky #007 said:

This whole thing had nothing to do with public opinion and shouldn't have. People want to talk about low? It was low to go run to the media and drag another organization through the mud because someone didn't get what they wanted. Quite frankly, that will likely have a significant impact on future dealings between the two organizations. The Rangers mistake was assuming that the Astros wouldn't go scorched earth if they didn't get exactly what they wanted.
Exactly. These discussions should've been somewhat private. There shouldn't be a court of public opinion on this matter.
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