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I understood your top 5 until you got to Seaver. If Seaver is in your lifetime, than Nolan Ryan is in your lifetime, and should make the list before Clemens and Martinez. Pedro was awesome/great for a 8/9 year span, just not long enough IMO.

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And yet Pedro had one more season in the Top 10 WARs, just as many seasons in the top 10 ERAs, 2 more seasons in the Top 10 WHIPs, 1 more season in the Top 10 adjusted ERAs, 1 more season in WPA, etc.

...And all that comes with Pedro having an ERA 101 places better than Nolan, 7th best WHIP all time (Nolan isn't in the top 250), etc... including a better K/9 rate.

It just turns out that Nolan's relative strength compared to many in this conversation was not giving up contact and not the larger purpose of a pitcher which is to keep runs off the board. No doubt he was very good at keeping runs off the board, but was he as good or better than some of these other pitchers?

In case you missed it, I offered this earlier:

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But you could start with this top 5 list and then we can talk about other folks not there such as Pedro. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1714168-the-5-all-time-greatest-mlb-pitchers.amp.html

Feller, Carlton, Johnson, Gibson, and Seaver. Not a bad go at it if you ask me.

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Huell Babineaux said:

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Sure, the Rangers would have to eat some of the contract, but if the Rangers are truly sellers in a month, do you move Elvis?

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Highly doubt it

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I know it's unlikely, but just something to think about. The Rangers are just in a tough situation, and that's without even addressing the Darvish dilemma, new stadium, etc.

Elvis still carries an awfully large, lengthy comtract that will heavily mitigate what he would bring in a trade.

I can't really argue that any of the five from the article shouldn't be in the conversation for all-time. The article just didn't make any attempt at a comparative analysis between those pitchers and the other greats. It also completely omits some of the turn of the century greats. WAR is a flawed statistic, but it is measure of a players performance against his time period of competition. WAR favors the old timers.

Odor batting 5th again

Nice base hit

We're at a point now where Napoli can't be in the lineup any longer. He'll be batting by under .190 in JULY

Yeah I don't think I would be too upset if Napoli didn't bat again for a good long while.

But, because of Banister, I expect him to be run out there as much as possible

You have to admit, at least with that AB, he got screwed. He should have gotten a BB.

Saturday's game is Hamels vs. Holland

Sounds about right, just saw a note where the Rangers are about 10 strikeouts away for setting the all time record for most strikeouts in June

And yet not a peep about the hitting coach. How long do guys have to have horrific approaches at the plate before something is changed there?

I have voiced my opinion of Iapoce. Dude ****ing sucks. I'm not sure what he actually does here

How does Napoli find himself in the lineup, much less at first base?

The guy can't hit anymore, and he covers as much ground at first as my dead grandmother. Does he have stuff on Daniels and/or Bannister?

Hopefully, they're just waiting until the Napoli jersey give-away is over before releasing him.

I think Nap will definitely be dealt at the deadline. He's a decent bat off the bench, especially against lefties. Contenders will want that and probably part with some low level prospects to get it.

A Grubes bobblehead doll in return would suffice.

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10 in a row for Gomez

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11 straight is the record! Can he put his name in the history books?

Unless the Rangers rally, we will have to wait until tomorrow to find out

The Rangers are 3rd in Runs scored in the AL.

439 Houston
429 Yanks
389T Rangers

15th in Batting Average.

.240 Texas
.243 Oakland
.244 Anaheim

.256 AL Average

When was the last time the Rangers were last in BA?!

Just read that Dyson will be closing for the Giants since Melancon's on the shelf

As in sweeping up the clubhouse, turning out the lights, and locking the door?

Gallo had 13 plate appearances this series, all of which ended in walk, strikeout, or HR. That's pretty much his game right now

If Iapoce isn't gone... and soon. Then JD has no balls.

This is getting ridiculous

Napoli- .188
Gallo- .192
Odor- .206

All playing every day. That's astronomically bad

Huell Babineaux said:

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If Iapoce isn't gone... and soon. Then JD has no balls.

This is getting ridiculous

Napoli- .188
Gallo- .192
Odor- .206

All playing every day. That's astronomically bad

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Home Runs by 3rd Baseman
548 Mike Schmidt
512 Eddie Mathews
468 Chipper Jones
450 Adrian Beltre

Very misleading graphic shown

Schmidt:
509 as 3B
36 as 1B
1 as a SS
2 as a PH

Mathews:
461 as a 3B
14 as a 1B
10 as a LF
2 as a PH

Chipper:
389 as a 3B
63 as a LF
7 as a DH
6 as a SS
3 as a PH

Beltre:
425 as a 3B
23 as a DH
2 as a PH

Huell Babineaux said:

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If Iapoce isn't gone... and soon. Then JD has no balls.

This is getting ridiculous

Napoli- .188
Gallo- .192
Odor- .206

All playing every day. That's astronomically bad

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Concerning is this:
Gallo: 10H, 1 singles, 4 doubles, 1 triples, 4 HR
Gomez: : 10H, 3 singles, 1 doubles, 0 triples, 6 HR
Chirinos: : 9H, 0 singles, 2 doubles, 0 triples, 7 HR
Napoli: 7H, 4 singles, 0 doubles, 0 triples, 3 HR

Of the 36 Hits by those 4... 8 singles, 7 doubles, 1 triple and 21 HRs

They have more HRs (21) than combined hits otherwise (16). That tells me they are playing for themselves, not the team.

Verlander of any interest to the Rangers' faithful?

If so, what do you expect out of the 34 year old, and how much does Detroit have to pony up, for 2018 ($28M) and 2019 ($28M). Option for 2020.

What are you willing to give up?

Does it affect signing Darvish?

Not interested at all.

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Not interested at all.

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What if Kate Upton was at some of the home games, that change your tune?

We took Fielder

It's going to take more than just showing up. We gon need to see dem titays.

IMHO, this team is not a piece or 2 away from being a serious playoff contender. The batting order is filled with guys that strike out way too much.......numerous bullpen issues.....and you have 2 legit starters (one who is on the downward spiral of his career, and one that is volatile) and then a bunch of meh.

Sorry, but Rangers need to be sellers. Unfortunately, they will not get much for those pieces.

As much as it pains me to say, I agree. Even if they do manage to stumble into a WC, does anyone really expect them to get very far at all?