@AccidentProne

Where can I get one of these baby blue Rangers hats? Looked online, wasn't able to find one

Gumbles said:

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@AccidentProne

Where can I get one of these baby blue Rangers hats? Looked online, wasn't able to find one

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You probably won't be able to find them anywhere. However, we have a clubhouse sale at the end of the year and hose should be available. If you want to shoot me an email, I'll see if we have any

Joe West: always the worst.

Huell Babineaux said:

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Think I'll just watch the Rangers today. Ags didn't bother to show up.

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Ags still in it. 5-2 Bottom 4.

Way to show up Yu

jtstanley4621 said:

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Joe West: always the worst.

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What did I miss?

What a weird game. Everything going against the Rangers. The officiating has been terrible, that ball clearly looked foul.

Banny was arguing with the ump over the missed HBP call, as Banny was heading back to the dugout, West's fat ass intervenes and tosses him.

Isn't West pretty much universally acknowledged as one of the all-time worst?

MooreTrucker said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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Happy Father's Day! My greatest accomplishment.

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My wife is my greatest accomplishment. My role with creating the kids was "minimal" at most.

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Yeah, that's true. I did help some with the raising tho.

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I'm been a more active contributor there, as well.

Wonder what Mazara was looking for? Late on the fastballs and out in front of offspeed. Missed opportunity there.

gigem1223 said:

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Wonder what Mazara was looking for? Late on the fastballs and out in front of offspeed. Missed opportunity there.

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I was just thinking to myself that he looked somewhat lost that at bat.

****ing Seager. Just start hitting him

Also today is another start where the bullpen gets taxed because Darvish only makes it through five. He has his moments of domination but his inconsistency and tendency to do this doesn't make him worth the pay day someone will give him.

Alabaster Jones said:

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Also today is another start where the bullpen gets taxed because Darvish only makes it through five. He has his moments of domination but his inconsistency and tendency to do this doesn't make him worth the pay day someone will give him.

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not an ace

Alabaster Jones said:

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Also today is another start where the bullpen gets taxed because Darvish only makes it through five. He has his moments of domination but his inconsistency and tendency to do this doesn't make him worth the pay day someone will give him.

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Agree, and I'm not writing off this season just yet, but if we are more than 3 games out of the 2nd WC in mid July, I say shop Darvish and try and get another Teixeira type deal

Never understood why there's been such a push to try and put a label on Darvish as an ace or not an ace.

He's a legitimate top of the rotation starter and he'll get paid like one. No one is going to be giving him Kershaw or Strasburg money.

As referenced in another thread, there's probably 10 -- maybe 15 -- starters out there that you could hand the ball to every 5th day and get better results. And Texas likely isn't signing any of them. So if you don't want to re-sign him that's fine, but enjoy sliding Martin Perez in as your #2.

Don't get me wrong, Darvish is a legit top of the rotation guy and probably top 15 starter in the league. I just feel a lot of teams I contention in late July would love to have him in their playoff rotation, even if he is just a rental. With our minor league system not being what it once was, I think it could be a great opportunity for the Rangers to restock.

I should know this, but what is your email?

jchance at texasrangers.com

Totally agree. Perez as the number two starter at this point is a nightmare. Darvish isn't an elite ace, but he is good when he's on. I'm fine with giving him the money necessary to sign him

Money for any remotely good starter is stupid these days. So I still pay him and move on. It doesn't cost you prospects (other than forgoing a sandwich pick), and while we all want him to take another step up, he's one of, if not the, best this franchise has ever had.

LeBreton actually had a decent quote about it in the ST after the game yesterday: "And if you don't pay Darvish, you're going to pay nearly as much trying to replace him."

This isn't a scenario where we've got a bunch of young arms beating down the door to the big leagues and should give one of them a shot.

free_mhayden said:

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LeBreton actually had a decent quote about it in the ST after the game yesterday: "And if you don't pay Darvish, you're going to pay nearly as much trying to replace him."

This isn't a scenario where we've got a bunch of young arms beating down the door to the big leagues and should give one of them a shot.

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Good point. Lose Darvish and the pitching staff likely takes a large step back with no viable replacements. Next year it'd be Hamels, Perez.... and i actually don't even know who after that. Theyd have to fill the gaps with some pretty mediocre at best SPs.

Darvish will be a huge get for whomever signs him and will be difficult for the Rangers to replace if he leaves.

Our internal options are not good. YoMen might be the best option and I think he may be a mid-2018 replacement for a DL.

Hamels, Perez, AJG & Nick Martinez is really what we are looking at.

FA list this offseason, as of now, from MLBTR:

Players with options are taken out. Top 20 in each league (4.17 in AL/4.10 in NL) is bolded.

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Brett Anderson (30)
Jake Arrieta (32)
Clay Buchholz (33)
Trevor Cahill (30)
Andrew Cashner (31) - 13th ERA in AL
Jhoulys Chacin (30)
Tyler Chatwood (28) - 19th ERA in NL
Jesse Chavez (34)
Alex Cobb (30) - 20th ERA in AL
Bartolo Colon (45)
Yu Darvish (31) - 10th ERA in AL
John Danks (33)
Jorge De La Rosa (37)
Nathan Eovaldi (28) $TBD club option
Marco Estrada (34)
Scott Feldman (35)
Doug Fister (34)
Jaime Garcia (31) - #15 ERA in NL
Miguel Gonzalez (34)
Jeremy Hellickson (31)
Derek Holland (31) - 18th ERA in AL
Ubaldo Jimenez (34)
John Lackey (39)
Francisco Liriano (34)
Jordan Lyles (27)
Lance Lynn (31) - #12 ERA in NL
Jon Niese (31)
Michael Pineda (29) - 15th ERA in AL
Clayton Richard (34)
Tyson Ross (31)
CC Sabathia (37) - 12th ERA in AL
Hector Santiago (30)
Chris Tillman (30)
Jason Vargas (35) - 2nd ERA in AL
Jered Weaver (35)

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So, Darvish isn't the only FA option for next season. He is certainly the BEST option.

I don't see anyone other than YoMen as a real future anytime soon. Collin Wiles could be a surprise. Nick Martinez could establish things this season and make the jump. Martin Perez could improve to be a #2.

But that is a lot of wishful thinking. I could see the Rangers having an inside track for Cashner or Ross. Both look promising.

As I mentioned earlier... based on letting Lucroy, Gomez, Darvish, Cashner & Ross all sign big FA deals elsewhere... the Rangers could get a ton of Sandwich picks between 1st and 2nd Rd. At about $2M per pick, that would add $10M to the draft pool and we could completely restock our minors.

AccidentProne said:

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IHIOGA that the Rangers will retain Darvish

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Unless you know his Agent or have talked to Darvish... the idea of a "will retain" is a hope.

It may be the reason he leaves has little to do with Texas' desire or willingness to keep him.

I want them to resign him, but how many guys has the Rangers organization let get to the end of their contract and then resign? I think when he made it to opening day without a contract, he was almost as good as gone.

The bottom line is we would be in a pretty big world of hurt if Darvish remains with the Rangers through this year and then walks at the end of this season. You'd be out a (in my opinion, at worst) top 15 MLB SP, and you wouldn't have anything to show for it in terms of strengthening the farm. I also feel like if we offered him as a rental we wouldn't be able to sign him after the season ends.

But.... These are the decisions that front office people are paid to research and decide. If you are CERTAIN you can't sign Darvish at the end of this season, then you have to offer him as a rental or else you're gonna be totally SOL heading into next season.

jtstanley4621 said:

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The bottom line is we would be in a pretty big world of hurt if Darvish remains with the Rangers through this year and then walks at the end of this season. You'd be out a (in my opinion, at worst) top 15 MLB SP, and you wouldn't have anything to show for it in terms of strengthening the farm. I also feel like if we offered him as a rental we wouldn't be able to sign him after the season ends.

But.... These are the decisions that front office people are paid to research and decide. If you are CERTAIN you can't sign Darvish at the end of this season, then you have to offer him as a rental or else you're gonna be totally SOL heading into next season.

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Wouldn't we get a supplemental draft pick? Not that it makes it any better...

Yup... No way really to know the internal talks, and even then no real way to know what the decision Yu will make will be until he signs on the dotted line.

But from the Rangers POV... I said this 6 months ago and I'll say it again -- Texas is opening up a brand new ballpark in 2020, which means they are going to start pushing suites, seat licenses and season tickets in early 2019... probably even late 2018.

If Darvish walks then by all accounts 2018 would have to be a total rebuild year. That's a very dangerous game to be playing if a rebuild team loses 90 games in 2018 (and realistically what, a 0.500ish team in 2019?). I'll defer to AccidentProne, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be trying to sell expensive seats after a 0.500 or worse season, almost a decade removed from the World Series appearances.

Sure you want the team to be good when they take the field for the inaugural year of the ballpark -- but the far more important thing for the financial health of the franchise is to be good when they take the field for the year that you are SELLING for the inaugural year of the ballpark.

free_mhayden said:

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Yup... No way really to know the internal talks, and even then no real way to know what the decision Yu will make will be until he signs on the dotted line.

But from the Rangers POV... I said this 6 months ago and I'll say it again -- Texas is opening up a brand new ballpark in 2020, which means they are going to start pushing suites, seat licenses and season tickets in early 2019... probably even late 2018.

If Darvish walks then by all accounts 2018 would have to be a total rebuild year. That's a very dangerous game to be playing if a rebuild team loses 90 games in 2018 (and realistically what, a 0.500ish team in 2019?). I'll defer to AccidentProne, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be trying to sell expensive seats after a 0.500 or worse season, almost a decade removed from the World Series appearances.

Sure you want the team to be good when they take the field for the inaugural year of the ballpark -- but the far more important thing for the financial health of the franchise is to be good when they take the field for the year that you are SELLING for the inaugural year of the ballpark.

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I'm pretty sure there won't be any seat licenses for the new stadium. The feedback has been a consistent "I 100% do not want a seat license." The only ones floating the idea is ownership, but our entire sales staff is against it. From my perspective, all of my STHs are already expecting a significant price increase, so why throw a seat license on top of that? And it'd likely only be for uber premium seats and probably wouldn't generate revenues sufficient enough to justify it. Also, I don't believe seat licenses are necessary in a sport that has 83 home games. I get it for football when there are only 8 home games.

And I can already tell you that we are creating a sense of urgency for the new stadium. We aren't selling it yet, but are selling the fact that you need to start building your tenure NOW so that when the re-seating process takes place for the new stadium, you'll at least have a better shot at getting something comparable to your current seats over someone who is a first time buyer in the new stadium.

From what I know, we will be exiting the architect phase soon and entering into the construction phase. Once that happens, we'll have an idea of what types of seating and hospitality areas we will have and will be able starting selling actual seats.

<Shameless Plug>

With that said, if you are interested in ticket plans now and/or in the new stadium, let me know so we can discuss some options. We still have some good premium inventory available behind the dugouts and around home plate. If you want something like that in the new stadium, then your best shot is to get on board now.

We just did another pro-rate on our tickets plans. What we now have available is as full season plan that is 27 games and starts August 11th. You still get all the same benefits of a full-season ticket holder, including first right of refusal of your same seats for the postseason as well as when it comes to renew for the next season.

If you want to look at some options, you can email me at jchance at texasrangers.com

</Shameless Plug>

free_mhayden said:

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If Darvish walks then by all accounts 2018 would have to be a total rebuild year.

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A bit over exaggeration, IMO. The core of this team will be intact for 2018.
Hamels, Perez, AJG, Martinez
Gallo, Odor, Andrus, Beltre, Profar
Choo, Mazara, DeShields,
Bush, Claudio, Leclerc, Kela, Jeffress

That's 17 of the 25.

After 2017, we stand to lose:
IF: Lucroy (C-$5M), Napoli ($6M, '18 Option)
SP: Darvish ($11M), Cashner ($10M), Ross ($6M) <- $27M in SP.
OF: Gomez (OF-$11.5M)

Nobody here likes Lucroy, so just give the job to Chirinos and Nicholas (28).
Napoli is a bust. Replace him with Ronald Guzman (.315, 5HR in AAA-22yr) and Gallo
We'll need an OF, which could be Profar.
SP: We'll likely sign at least one Top tier SP to an overpriced 4 yr deal which everyone will complain about. We'll sign a 1 yr deal to someone who was either DL or ISO a "comeback year." Hamels, <Insert SP>, Perez, AJG, DL-Recovery.


After 2018, we stand to lose:
IF: Beltre (3B-$18M)
RP: Diekman: (Arb3)
SP: AJG (Arb3)

Beltre will likely be a year-by-year deal. Depending on his health and where he is with stats... he'll likely retire a Ranger.
AJG is replaced internally with YoMen, or other AA SP.