*****Official 2015 Texas Rangers Thread*****

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He got asked a question and he gave his honest opinion -- an opinion that, as he said, doesn't seem to be too off-base if you look at the supporting evidence:

Hamilton left unhappy
Wilson left unhappy
Kinsler left unhappy
Napoli left unhappy (by CJ's account, so not sure if true).
Michael Young -- the consummate professional -- was at odds with the front office.

Nolan Ryan had an issue with the front office enough that he not only left, but went to the Houston Astros.


Now it's not really a fair question because of the injuries, but what long-term players that aren't in low leverage positions would you consider happy? Beltre... But then? Andrus certainly can't complain as he's stealing money. Ditto Moreland. Washington couldn't complain because of all of the chances they gave him. The rest of the guys aren't in any position of their careers here to really be vocal about anything.

Only a fool would speak out against someone who has agreed to pay him millions to hit a little white ball, or to throw it.

Last I checked, Hamilton left unhappy because JD didn't back the truck of cash up to him. Does Hamilton have a no-trade clause? Because there is likely no way the Halos call JD to trade Hamilton back to the Rangers if Hamilton was unwilling to play for JD. JD made a good decision in not signing him.

Kinsler left because he was traded and he was unhappy with the way it went down. There was nothing I heard that leads me to believe Kinsler was unhappy here or that he was happy to have been traded. The announcement was terrible and it was well established it was handled in a terrible way.

Napoli left because he wanted to play C and the Rangers didn't feel he could play C for a full season. Turns out the Rangers were right. Whether Napoli's was unhappy with JD, is left to be seen. But JD was right.

Michael Young is currently... by choice... working for the Rangers' front office. If he was unhappy, he isn't anymore.

Nolan left for a variety of reason. It may have been JD in name, but it could have been anyone.

If you have to go player by player and list why their situation was unique as to why they weren't real happy with the front office/management, then it should be pretty obvious there is an overall issue.

Again, it's not that uncommon or really that big a deal -- but silly to think this front office doesn't have a reputation around the league both in how former player's view them and how other GM's view them -- it's been pretty widely reported.
I thought JD had a pretty good reputation with other GMs. When Davis and Neil Ramirez were traded, at least publicly, there was an indication JD was willing to swap players due to concerns about undisclosed injuries. I know there were a couple other exchanges.

If you don't have to go player by player, then why did you and CJ both do just that. I was refuting specific names.

I've had plenty of ex-girlfriends hate me... just because I came home to find my pet boiling in a pot on the stove doesn't mean I am the bad person.


So you're saying there haven't been multiple reports from national writers regarding other GM's feeling like Daniels isn't reasonable in his asks?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Hamilton and Texas parted ways?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Kinsler and Texas parted ways? Quote-unquote "John Daniels is a slezazeball".

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness about the divorce of Nolan Ryan -- what many consider the face of the entire franchise -- from the Texas Rangers?

So you're saying that there wasn't any reports of unhappiness between Michael Young and the situation prior to his trade?


You can argue whether any of it is a big deal or if any of it is different than any other front office -- but to act like there's not smoke at all is silly.
gigem1223
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Nice outing by Bass. 4.0 innings pitched 0 ER
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Save for one outing. I've liked what Bass has done. It is possible for young pitchers to improve through out their careers....
27 isn't young as a pitcher. That is right at the start of what I think is your prime.

At 27, he has 225 IP in MLB.
Some comparisons.

At 24, Nick Martinez has 154.
At 26, Nick Tepesch has 219.
At 24, Martin Perez has 213.
By the time Gallardo was 26, he had like 850+ IP.
By the time Holland was 26, he had over 750.
By the time Harrison was 26, he had over 600.

I don't doubt he can improve and do well. I just don't think he could be a regular everyday starter.

Great performance so far today.
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Rangers have given Josh Hamilton a physical.
that's pretty big, right? Doesn't that mean that there's some sort of rough agreement in place for either a trade or an Angels buyout?
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I don't think he can be an everyday starter either. But I think he has earned the right to be given a shot. Hopefully he runs with it and gives us a solid 4th option till the troops return.
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Link to the Hamilton news?
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Rangers have given Josh Hamilton a physical.
Is anyone on here actually optimistic or excited about this?

Seems like we need pitching so much more than Hamilton, I haven't followed him closely lately, but hasn't he been out on IR quite a bit?
gigem1223
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Hamilton is better than anything we have in right field. It's worth a shot. Who knows, maybe the divorce clears his head a little and he returns to form. Fielder, Beltre, Hamilton is a pretty nasty 3,4,5.
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Hamilton also just filed for divorce so you know that mental midget is going to have a ton of stuff on his mind that keeps him from just playing ball.
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I thought JD had a pretty good reputation with other GMs. When Davis and Neil Ramirez were traded, at least publicly, there was an indication JD was willing to swap players due to concerns about undisclosed injuries. I know there were a couple other exchanges.

If you don't have to go player by player, then why did you and CJ both do just that. I was refuting specific names.

I've had plenty of ex-girlfriends hate me... just because I came home to find my pet boiling in a pot on the stove doesn't mean I am the bad person.


So you're saying there haven't been multiple reports from national writers regarding other GM's feeling like Daniels isn't reasonable in his asks?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Hamilton and Texas parted ways?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Kinsler and Texas parted ways? Quote-unquote "John Daniels is a slezazeball".

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness about the divorce of Nolan Ryan -- what many consider the face of the entire franchise -- from the Texas Rangers?

So you're saying that there wasn't any reports of unhappiness between Michael Young and the situation prior to his trade?

You can argue whether any of it is a big deal or if any of it is different than any other front office -- but to act like there's not smoke at all is silly.
I've never gotten the impression he was disliked by other GMs. If he is unliked, that's fine. If national writers don't like him, Ok. I'd much rather a GM be known for asking too much than to be known to get fleeced in every trade.

I never said there wasn't unhappiness between Hamilton and Texas. But, if he is in the process of agreeing to a trade back to Texas... it kinda discredits the "JD is a bad person" story. We had a guy leave our group last year and berated the guy he worked for. A year later he came back hat-in-hand. The guy wouldn't hire him back, but took him far enough along to make the guy look bad for wanting to come back to work for a guy he said was so terrible.

I said the way the Kinsler announcement went down was bad. Was Kinsler pissed for anything more than just the way it went down? I don't know. Kinsler was pissed that he was traded away from his buddies. I get that.

Nolan was a different issue. Some rumors were JD made a coup and ousted Nolan. There were plenty of rumors about that situation.

My point about MYoung is that he may not have liked something, but he apparently has no problem working for JD again.

I've never met JD. I have no idea if he is hard to work for or not. I have no idea if he is competent or not. Many of the people he had working for him who were well respected for what they did for a living are gone. Time will tell a lot of things on the upcoming draft, minor-league promotions and overall performance of the team.

But, if you are to ask me to believe CJ Wilson that Hamilton and Young hated JD and as a result would be unwilling on their own to work for him, again... actions are louder than opinions.

Do you think Kinsler wouldn't jump at the chance to come back to Arlington?
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Rangers have given Josh Hamilton a physical.
Is anyone on here actually optimistic or excited about this?
completely depends on how what the Rangers will have to pay and/ or give up in a trade.
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If I'm Kinsler, I'm much happier with Detroit and the chance to win a WS this year.
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Scheppers looking solid again.
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I thought JD had a pretty good reputation with other GMs. When Davis and Neil Ramirez were traded, at least publicly, there was an indication JD was willing to swap players due to concerns about undisclosed injuries. I know there were a couple other exchanges.

If you don't have to go player by player, then why did you and CJ both do just that. I was refuting specific names.

I've had plenty of ex-girlfriends hate me... just because I came home to find my pet boiling in a pot on the stove doesn't mean I am the bad person.


So you're saying there haven't been multiple reports from national writers regarding other GM's feeling like Daniels isn't reasonable in his asks?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Hamilton and Texas parted ways?

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness when Kinsler and Texas parted ways? Quote-unquote "John Daniels is a slezazeball".

So you're saying there wasn't any reports of unhappiness about the divorce of Nolan Ryan -- what many consider the face of the entire franchise -- from the Texas Rangers?

So you're saying that there wasn't any reports of unhappiness between Michael Young and the situation prior to his trade?

You can argue whether any of it is a big deal or if any of it is different than any other front office -- but to act like there's not smoke at all is silly.
I've never gotten the impression he was disliked by other GMs. If he is unliked, that's fine. If national writers don't like him, Ok. I'd much rather a GM be known for asking too much than to be known to get fleeced in every trade.

I never said there wasn't unhappiness between Hamilton and Texas. But, if he is in the process of agreeing to a trade back to Texas... it kinda discredits the "JD is a bad person" story. We had a guy leave our group last year and berated the guy he worked for. A year later he came back hat-in-hand. The guy wouldn't hire him back, but took him far enough along to make the guy look bad for wanting to come back to work for a guy he said was so terrible.

I said the way the Kinsler announcement went down was bad. Was Kinsler pissed for anything more than just the way it went down? I don't know. Kinsler was pissed that he was traded away from his buddies. I get that.

Nolan was a different issue. Some rumors were JD made a coup and ousted Nolan. There were plenty of rumors about that situation.

My point about MYoung is that he may not have liked something, but he apparently has no problem working for JD again.

I've never met JD. I have no idea if he is hard to work for or not. I have no idea if he is competent or not. Many of the people he had working for him who were well respected for what they did for a living are gone. Time will tell a lot of things on the upcoming draft, minor-league promotions and overall performance of the team.

But, if you are to ask me to believe CJ Wilson that Hamilton and Young hated JD and as a result would be unwilling on their own to work for him, again... actions are louder than opinions.

Do you think Kinsler wouldn't jump at the chance to come back to Arlington?


I'm sure there's plenty of players that would put aside their differences for the job/pay they want. There's plenty of ballplayers that play for managers/owners/GM's they don't like because they don't mind cashing a big paycheck.

But again, when you have to go down the list and say "Well Player X was unhappy because...", "Well Player Y was unhappy because...", "Well Player Z was unhappy because..."

And these things are coming literally from the core of the 2010/2011 squads -- CJ Wilson, Josh Hamilton, Michael Young, Ian Kinsler and Nolan Ryan.... Then it's pretty safe to say that a claim that the front office has some issues isn't something CJ Wilson made up or is just "butthurt" about.

Again, until it starts actually impacting who we can nab in free agency then I don't really give a ****. But let's see...


Ian Kinsler - "Jon Daniels is a sleazeball"

CJ Wilson - "The Rangers front office wasted my time"

Michael Young - "I have been manipulated and misled in this process and I'm not going to take it anymore."

Josh Hamilton - Jon Daniels "stunned" that Hamilton signed with Anaheim without allowing the Rangers to counter. "Disappointed" in the way it went down.

Nolan Ryan - face of the franchise departs to in-state "rival". Rift between him and JD pretty well known.


Pretending there isn't an issue with how the Rangers front office is viewed is sticking your head in the sand. CJ Wilson is a ******bag, but he's not saying anything that isn't true.
mhayden
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Texas is Kyle Seager's *****.
gigem1223
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Well.....slver lining there is Neffy has his fastball back.
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Ian Kinsler - "Jon Daniels is a sleazeball"

CJ Wilson - "The Rangers front office wasted my time"

Michael Young - "I have been manipulated and misled in this process and I'm not going to take it anymore."

Josh Hamilton - Jon Daniels "stunned" that Hamilton signed with Anaheim without allowing the Rangers to counter. "Disappointed" in the way it went down.

Nolan Ryan - face of the franchise departs to in-state "rival". Rift between him and JD pretty well known.


Pretending there isn't an issue with how the Rangers front office is viewed is sticking your head in the sand. CJ Wilson is a ******bag, but he's not saying anything that isn't true.
You are left defending the loss of players pretty much run out of town by the fans.
Kinsler was hated on here for the popups and swinging for the fence.
CJ Wilson was... well... CJ Wilson, extraordinaire.
MYoung was washed up.
Josh Hamilton the mental midget.

Wasn't that the echo repeated on here?

Nolan Ryan went to the in-state rival in which he spent most of his career, and where his son was hired to run the organization.
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Well we're gonna lose a game we led 7-2 and 10-5. Super
Hamburger Dan
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Who didn't see this coming?
mhayden
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Bad pitching is gonna be bad... Not really anything you can do about it.
COOL LASER FALCON
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I think I'm blaming this one on Bannister. Not sure why he only gave Kela one batter.
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Ian Kinsler - "Jon Daniels is a sleazeball"

CJ Wilson - "The Rangers front office wasted my time"

Michael Young - "I have been manipulated and misled in this process and I'm not going to take it anymore."

Josh Hamilton - Jon Daniels "stunned" that Hamilton signed with Anaheim without allowing the Rangers to counter. "Disappointed" in the way it went down.

Nolan Ryan - face of the franchise departs to in-state "rival". Rift between him and JD pretty well known.


Pretending there isn't an issue with how the Rangers front office is viewed is sticking your head in the sand. CJ Wilson is a ******bag, but he's not saying anything that isn't true.
You are left defending the loss of players pretty much run out of town by the fans.
Kinsler was hated on here for the popups and swinging for the fence.
CJ Wilson was... well... CJ Wilson, extraordinaire.
MYoung was washed up.
Josh Hamilton the mental midget.

Wasn't that the echo repeated on here?

Nolan Ryan went to the in-state rival in which he spent most of his career, and where his son was hired to run the organization.

I think this is one of those situations where my favorite Justified quote comes into play.

"If you run into an ******* in the morning, you ran into an *******. If you run int *******s all day, you're the *******."

If Kinsler, Wilson, Young, Hamilton and Nolan Ryan all had issues with the front office then I'm going to lean towards it being a front office issue and not a Kinsler/Wilson/Young/Hamilton/Ryan issue.
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One of the most frustrating games I've ever watched.
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The whole organization is just junk right now. That's all I know.
ORAggieFan
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Love seeing Cruz kill his old team.
Scotty Flamingo
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At least we can score runs
DallasAg 94
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Typical Wash loss.

Put a horrible SP out there who shouldn't have been starting.
Pulled Bass when he was dealing.
Left Scheppers in there to walk 3.
Pulled Kela too soon.
Left Feliz out there too long.

Had Andrus in the #2 hole.
Put Moreland in at 1st. If Rosales was still out there, he'd have made the catch in the dugout.
He put Peguero in for the hot Smolinski (2-4) where he struck out.

I can't wait until we get rid of Wash. He is just terrible. 5-8 for the season. We haven't won a single series this season!

Wash is SO terrible... at 5-8, without our Wins, the teams we faced are:

Houston: 4-5
Oak: 4-5
LAA: 3-6
Seattle: 3-6
Combined: 14-22

Let that sink in.
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"If you run into an ******* in the morning, you ran into an *******. If you run int *******s all day, you're the *******."

If Kinsler, Wilson, Young, Hamilton and Nolan Ryan all had issues with the front office then I'm going to lean towards it being a front office issue and not a Kinsler/Wilson/Young/Hamilton/Ryan issue.
Maybe baseball just has a lot of *******s.
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It's been awhile since fans here in Seattle could actually expect a hit or two in the 9th
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I think that's more because of Feliz than the Mariners
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Yeah, Nefty is in no man's land. 93mph fastball that he doesn't locate all that well + very mediocre offspeed pitches that really need that fastball up in the high 90's to be effective = watch the F out
mhayden
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He was hitting 96/97/98 yesterday which was a definite good sign.

But yeah, no location on it, and secondary pitches that aren't to be feared... So you saw what you did yesterday -- batters fouling a lot of fastballs off but not a lot of swings and misses because they were sitting fastball.
Mr. White
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Would anyone like to see a TEX, HOU, COL, AZ division?

Has there been any talk at all of realignment for at least a few teams?
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I'd love anything that results in not having 75% of the division opponents 2 time zones away. Between the Rangers history of largely below average baseball and the rest of the division being up and down over time, there are not any real rivalries, so I wouldn't mind cutting ties for teams geographically closer.
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Nick Martinez.
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