One failure terminating a contract is not even a remote possibility.

I do hate that Moreno claimed this wasn't at all about money.

Come on now, Arte. It's clearly at least a little bit about money (and probably a lot more than a little)...and there's nothing wrong with that.

He's probably talking out of ass in all aspects of this...but he's certainly doing it when he talks about money.

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Why?

You don't think Josh would agree to something like that? Or is there something in the CBA/JDA preventing that?

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Why?

You don't think Josh would agree to something like that? Or is there something in the CBA/JDA preventing that?

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I don't think the MLBPA would agree to that contract. Aren't all contracts ultimately approved by both MLB and the MLBPA?

There would be no reason for Hamilton to agree to "special language" that allowed the Angels to get out of the contract.

And it wouldn't be allowed under CBA. There is a program in place that sets out what happens to you for violating the drug program. Having a contract provision that adds, subtracts, or changes the drug punishment is by definition "inconsistent."

You can try to come up with all the law school hypotheticals you want. The real world answer is simple. The Angels have buyers remorse and are desperate for someone to bail them out.

Josh Hamilton filed for divorce at time relapse went public

Hamilton lists Newport mansion for sale at $16.5 million

Rosenthal: Angels, Hamilton in talks to resolve drug-relapse dispute

That is too bad. With no wife and kids at home, i have a lot of trouble seeing him keeping it on the rails. Seems like a buyout from the Angels is on its way.

That's just sad and a shame all the way around.

Going to lose his marriage, and most likely his baseball career. And for him, that is a scary proposition.

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Going to lose his marriage, and most likely his baseball career. And for him, that is a scary proposition.

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It wouldn't surprise me if he made a return in 2015 and did quite well. It wouldn't surprise me if the Halos cut him loose for a fraction of what they owe him. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they kept him.

The off-season coming up... I think it will be wheels off for Hamilton. If the Halos keep him for 2015, they will assuredly be able to cut him loose during the off-season with a much lighter impact financially.

It will be a very sad and public demise. TMG will have a number of people follow him around.

Multiple reports say Angels close to parting ways with Hamilton; likely a trade.

Edit: He's coming back to the Rangers according to TR Sullivan. Likely announced Monday.

Wonder what we gave up to get him...

this won't be good....

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A dirty jockstrap would be too much.

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I think it could have a positive impact on the field, if he gets healthy.

The big concern is the off-season. Anything owed after 2015, IMO, is as safe as betting on roulette.

Breaking down mentally in the off-season, and breaking down physically (in general) should be built into the value of the trade. Of the $89M owed for '15-17, I would hope the Halos pick up at least $70M OR we send LAAA Choo straight up.

WOW...

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6:16pm: The Rangers will pick up about $15MM of Hamilton's salary, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. Los Angeles will pay the remainder of the $83MM that he is owed.

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Seems like a good deal money wise at least.

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Nothing. The Angels dumped him and the Rangers were the only buyers. 5 mil a year isn't much in the mlb.

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A dirty jockstrap would be too much.

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Ooooh behave

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6:16pm: The Rangers will pick up about $15MM of Hamilton's salary, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. Los Angeles will pay the remainder of the $83MM that he is owed.

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I can dig this

absolute steal for the Rangers. even if he is terrible, the team has not hurt its salary management moving forward.

He never stopped banging hookers, drinking, among other things, he's a train wreck.

15mm for a train wreck that can't play anymore, and has Insuted the fans he'll be playing for?

Waste.of.money

Dumbest decision JD has made...

People laying this solely at JDs feet, for or against the move, need to remember that the team has two owners who dictate what the budget is and you can bet if they had huge issues with this it would have been vetoed.

It's like now that Wash is gone JD gets all the heat from people who think decisions are made by one person out there.

Why do you think he can't play anymore?

And if you feel "insulted" you need thicker skin. Time to put your big girl panties on.

sports bully

Hard to see how anyone can think this is a bad move.

Chump change for a guy that still has major upside in a year where if he is a "distraction", who gives a ****? He's going to be a distraction on a 70 win club?

If he gets his head on straight you have a solid hitter for 3 years for pennies on the dollar. If he doesn't, you cut him and you're out some cash. $15m over 3.5 years? That's $4.28m a year... That's not far off from what we're paying Ross Detwiler this year.

And while we've all enjoyed his struggles in LA, in 2 seasons in LA he put up a combined 3.0 WAR.

For comparison's sake, Choo put up a 0.1 WAR last year and is looking even worse this year.

Rangers to take on less than $7 million of Josh Hamilton deal

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The Angels are willing to take on about $68 million of the salary. Hamilton will sacrifice about $6 million on his own, citing the lack of state income tax in Texas as a reason that the contract is not "devalued" to appease the Players Association.

In order to satisfy the Players Association, which tries to ensure maximum value of contracts for its players, Hamilton will also be given an opt-out clause after two years, sources said.

The Rangers will be responsible for what is left over the course of the three-year period: A little more than $6 million. If he were to opt out, the Rangers commitment would be reduced further to perhaps less than $5 million.

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Highway robbery!

I hope he turns his life around, it w as a good story when things were going well.

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No kidding. Not a Rangers fan, but hard to criticize this deal in any way. Completely no risk.

I thought the last time around josh said the state income tax was no big deal. Now he's using it to take a pay cut? Just interesting.

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I thought the last time around josh said the state income tax was no big deal. Now he's using it to take a pay cut? Just interesting.

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He likely misses playing for the Rangers and is willing to give up some cash to get out of LA.

So 2.5 for $6mm or 1.5 for about $4mm if he opts out after 2016? Sweet. I'd guess it will most likely be the 2.5/$6mm because I highly doubt he'll exercise any opt out. Someone would have to be willing to pay him north of $25mm in 2017. Not gonna happen.

Major upside? He's stunk ever since his 4 Hr game, is injured and is a mess mentally (which for him is saying a lot).

His team didn't want him, are doing everything they can to rid themselves of him, and no one else wants him.

I'm not insulted....but he insulted the fans. Silly to say otherwise.

If he'd been a decent player with the Angels, I'd feel differently....but he hasn't even been that.

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And it wouldn't be allowed under CBA. There is a program in place that sets out what happens to you for violating the drug program. Having a contract provision that adds, subtracts, or changes the drug punishment is by definition "inconsistent."

You can try to come up with all the law school hypotheticals you want. The real world answer is simple. The Angels have buyers remorse and are desperate for someone to bail them out.

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The particular bargained drug agreement issue aside, that's not what inconsistent means in the legal world- inconsistent means something like "negate", adding isn't negation- and not really what it means outside the legal world, either.

Anyways, I'll say what I said earlier and that's that I don't doubt Arte Moreno was talking out of his ass.


What is inconsistent is thinking this clearly isn't a bad move when giving $500,000 non-guaranteed over 1 year to Andruw Jones was an awful deal. *wink*

But yeah, this seems to be a fine deal given the current state of affairs in Arlington. I don't know how much upside he has but the Rangers can just cut him if he's playing or acting like a little piece of ****.

The AL West is so comically bad it's almost enjoyable to watch.