***********2023-2024 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 2:44p, 5/12/24
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FTAG 2000 said:


Gotta think rockets take a point.
Enzo The Baker said:

I could see them taking dillingham. Maybe Castle to fit with what Udoka likes. Or maybe they do Clingan to shore up their center position. Adam's health is probably iffy.
Castle doesn't make much sense for them with Amen Thompson.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 2:44p, 5/12/24
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FTAG 2000 said:


Gotta think rockets take a point.
Guitarsoup said:
They have FVV, though.

They kind of have every position already. I think they draft a point or center to eventually take over the veteran roles.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 2:44p, 5/12/24
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Enzo The Baker said:

With the consensus all over the place, I can see us trying to move up into the top 3 of there is someone we really want. With these options I can also see us trading out or trading back.

One thing to note, I think with Atlanta get the top pick this year, it's found money. They might not be as incentivized with trades centered around their picks anymore. Which is fine, I don't want to do business with anything they have anyways.
FTAG 2000 said:


Ah yeah I'd like to do business with that unprotected pick they owe us if they have another crap year.


Hawks are still all but guaranteed to trade one of DJM or Trae. Don't see many scenarios that bring them a difference maker. They'll get draft capital, and be a weaker team next year bc no one in this draft is going to take any team to the next level like that. Well still get a decent likely lottery pick next year from them
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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 2:45p, 5/12/24
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Guitarsoup said:
They have FVV, though.
Enzo The Baker said:

They kind of have every position already. I think they draft a point or center to eventually take over the veteran roles.
You got me before my edit. I think that they are using FVV until Amen is ready to run the point. Unless you just don't think he ever plays point. I just don't think he is that good off-ball since he can't shoot.
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2:55p, 5/12/24
Spurs did well. They moved up one position and got the 8th pick + Wemby luck for Jakob. It's funny, the spurs were holding onto 3rd worst for almost the entirety of the year. They drop to 5th and 3rd and 4th don't even get a top 4.

Regarding Atlanta, even if they draft the right guy with a #1 pick, they have a lot of decisions to make and have lots of guys under contract. It doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to success in the next 3 years.
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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 2:59p, 5/12/24
Enzo The Baker said:
Spurs did well. They moved up one position and got the 8th pick + Wemby luck for Jakob. It's funny, the spurs were holding onto 3rd worst for almost the entirety of the year. They drop to 5th and 3rd and 4th don't even get a top 4.

Regarding Atlanta, even if they draft the right guy with a #1 pick, they have a lot of decisions to make and have lots of guys under contract. It doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to success in the next 3 years.


Exactly! I don't see anyone in this draft that will make them significantly better and as someone else said, they aren't getting a game changer for Murray.

I think the Spurs are in a good position next year too.
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In reply to jteagle • 3:03p, 5/12/24
Enzo The Baker said:
Spurs did well. They moved up one position and got the 8th pick + Wemby luck for Jakob. It's funny, the spurs were holding onto 3rd worst for almost the entirety of the year. They drop to 5th and 3rd and 4th don't even get a top 4.

Regarding Atlanta, even if they draft the right guy with a #1 pick, they have a lot of decisions to make and have lots of guys under contract. It doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to success in the next 3 years.
jteagle said:


Exactly! I don't see anyone in this draft that will make them significantly better and as someone else said, they aren't getting a game changer for Murray.

I think the Spurs are in a good position next year too.


Not only will they not be much better. But also the way they are built this is potentially a disastrous place to be drafted if you're a young teenaged player who needs development.
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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 3:05p, 5/12/24
Enzo The Baker said:
Spurs did well. They moved up one position and got the 8th pick + Wemby luck for Jakob. It's funny, the spurs were holding onto 3rd worst for almost the entirety of the year. They drop to 5th and 3rd and 4th don't even get a top 4.

Regarding Atlanta, even if they draft the right guy with a #1 pick, they have a lot of decisions to make and have lots of guys under contract. It doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to success in the next 3 years.
With 12 players under contract, plus the 12.6M cap slot for the #1 pick, Hawks are at 176M in salaries with two slots remaining to fill.

That's well over the luxury tax line and 2M from the 1st apron without bringing back Vit Krejci or Saddiq Bey.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:06p, 5/12/24
Guitarsoup said:
Atl - Sarr
Wash - Topic
Hou - Clingan (move Sengun to PF usa Adams as backup)
SA - Risacher


I think this would be the best case scenario for the Spurs as well as making the most sense for the 3 teams ahead of us. Risacher at 4 and Sheppard at 8? Yes, please!
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:08p, 5/12/24
Enzo The Baker said:
Spurs did well. They moved up one position and got the 8th pick + Wemby luck for Jakob. It's funny, the spurs were holding onto 3rd worst for almost the entirety of the year. They drop to 5th and 3rd and 4th don't even get a top 4.

Regarding Atlanta, even if they draft the right guy with a #1 pick, they have a lot of decisions to make and have lots of guys under contract. It doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to success in the next 3 years.
Guitarsoup said:
With 12 players under contract, plus the 12.6M cap slot for the #1 pick, Hawks are at 176M in salaries with two slots remaining to fill.

That's well over the luxury tax line and 2M from the 1st apron without bringing back Vit Krejci or Saddiq Bey.

I do think they will trade for win now players though if they don't make a deal with us (duh). Brandon Ingram incoming.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:08p, 5/12/24
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jteagle said:


Exactly! I don't see anyone in this draft that will make them significantly better and as someone else said, they aren't getting a game changer for Murray.

I think the Spurs are in a good position next year too.
Ag Natural said:


Not only will they not be much better. But also the way they are built this is potentially a disastrous place to be drafted if you're a young teenaged player who needs development.


Sarr getting to run pick and rolls with Trae Young is a waaay better situation than ending up in Washington or Detroit.
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3:14p, 5/12/24


Don't love this one.
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In reply to West Texan • 3:15p, 5/12/24
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Don't love this one.


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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 3:16p, 5/12/24
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Guitarsoup said:
With 12 players under contract, plus the 12.6M cap slot for the #1 pick, Hawks are at 176M in salaries with two slots remaining to fill.

That's well over the luxury tax line and 2M from the 1st apron without bringing back Vit Krejci or Saddiq Bey.
Enzo The Baker said:

I do think they will trade for win now players though if they don't make a deal with us (duh). Brandon Ingram incoming.
Draft Sarr and pray NOLA will go for a Ingram+Nance for Capela+Murray trade.

Sarr/OO
Jalen/Nance
Hunter/Griffin
Ingram/Bogdan
Trae/Bufkin

That's a completely different team.

Capela/Flipkowski (21st pick)
Zion/Naji
Herb Jones/Hawkins
Trey Murphy/Daniels
Murray/McCollum
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In reply to West Texan • 3:18p, 5/12/24
West Texan said:


Don't love this one.
West Texan said:


Trash. Portland going to draft a PG with Sccot, Sharpe, Simons, and Brogdon on the roster?
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In reply to West Texan • 3:19p, 5/12/24
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Ag Natural said:


Not only will they not be much better. But also the way they are built this is potentially a disastrous place to be drafted if you're a young teenaged player who needs development.
West Texan said:


Sarr getting to run pick and rolls with Trae Young is a waaay better situation than ending up in Washington or Detroit.


Yeah if you want him to be a Clint Capella 2.0 that's fine. Maybe that's his ceiling. I have a feeling he's going to want a bigger role. The guy takes quite a few jumpers even though he came off the bench.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:28p, 5/12/24
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West Texan said:


Sarr getting to run pick and rolls with Trae Young is a waaay better situation than ending up in Washington or Detroit.
Ag Natural said:


Yeah if you want him to be a Clint Capella 2.0 that's fine. Maybe that's his ceiling. I have a feeling he's going to want a bigger role. The guy takes quite a few jumpers even though he came off the bench.


I'm simply commenting on landing in Atlanta vs landing in the complete dumpster fires of the two teams that had the best lottery odds at #1.
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3:29p, 5/12/24
Every mock I've seen are pretty different. There's no consensus. It will be interesting to see what direction Wright takes. The old Spurs would definitely be drafting a couple foreign guys. The recent formula has been to take young longer wings. We don't have any history of top 10 picks. Now we have 2 in the same draft. I bet the Spurs haven't drafted a guard in the lottery since Willie Anderson in the late 80s.
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In reply to West Texan • 3:30p, 5/12/24
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Ag Natural said:


Yeah if you want him to be a Clint Capella 2.0 that's fine. Maybe that's his ceiling. I have a feeling he's going to want a bigger role. The guy takes quite a few jumpers even though he came off the bench.
West Texan said:


I'm simply commenting on landing in Atlanta vs landing in the complete dumpster fires of the two teams that had the best lottery odds at #1.


You might be right. But we have no evidence that Sarr has any more to him that Wiseman. He was drafted by a great organization and struggled mightily.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:31p, 5/12/24
Ag Natural said:
Every mock I've seen are pretty different. There's no consensus. It will be interesting to see what direction Wright takes. The old Spurs would definitely be drafting a couple foreign guys. The recent formula has been to take young longer wings. We don't have any history of top 10 picks. Now we have 2 in the same draft. I bet the Spurs haven't drafted a guard in the lottery since Willie Anderson in the late 80s.
Devin Vassell says hi
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In reply to West Texan • 3:31p, 5/12/24
West Texan said:


Don't love this one.
This guy has been determined to put Dillingham on the Spurs for awhile now. Guess we'll see. Using both picks on minus defenders seems unlikely to me.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:32p, 5/12/24
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West Texan said:


I'm simply commenting on landing in Atlanta vs landing in the complete dumpster fires of the two teams that had the best lottery odds at #1.
Ag Natural said:


You might be right. But we have no evidence that Sarr has any more to him that Wiseman. He was drafted by a great organization and struggled mightily.
Sarr played in a professional league. Wiseman played 3 games of college basketball and they didn't do all the same workouts and everything because of Covid. Completely different - we have a ton more data on Sarr.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:34p, 5/12/24
Ag Natural said:
Every mock I've seen are pretty different. There's no consensus. It will be interesting to see what direction Wright takes. The old Spurs would definitely be drafting a couple foreign guys. The recent formula has been to take young longer wings. We don't have any history of top 10 picks. Now we have 2 in the same draft. I bet the Spurs haven't drafted a guard in the lottery since Willie Anderson in the late 80s.
Guitarsoup said:
Devin Vassell says hi


On draft night he was projected to be a 3 and D wing. I'd compare him to Sean Elliot. Regardless. They definitely haven't drafted a one this high since Alvin Robertson.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:35p, 5/12/24
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Guitarsoup said:
Devin Vassell says hi
Ag Natural said:


On draft night he was projected to be a 3 and D wing. I'd compare him to Sean Elliot. Regardless. They definitely haven't drafted a one this high since Alvin Robertson.



He showed everything he had, and still no love from you.
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In reply to LawHall88 • 3:37p, 5/12/24
West Texan said:


Don't love this one.
LawHall88 said:
This guy has been determined to put Dillingham on the Spurs for awhile now. Guess we'll see. Using both picks on minus defenders seems unlikely to me.
And he has Risacher going to Washington when Washington's two best young players are Bilal and Deni - who are both wings.

I think Washington goes Sarr first then Topic.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:40p, 5/12/24
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Ag Natural said:


You might be right. But we have no evidence that Sarr has any more to him that Wiseman. He was drafted by a great organization and struggled mightily.
Guitarsoup said:
Sarr played in a professional league. Wiseman played 3 games of college basketball and they didn't do all the same workouts and everything because of Covid. Completely different - we have a ton more data on Sarr.


He still makes me nervous. Foreign players who weren't major contributors back home just make me nervous. I know he's got a stud in front of him, so they say, but then you have to ask why isn't THAT guy in the NBA? Luka, Senguin, Wemby, etc were all league MVP caliber pros overseas.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:45p, 5/12/24
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Guitarsoup said:
Sarr played in a professional league. Wiseman played 3 games of college basketball and they didn't do all the same workouts and everything because of Covid. Completely different - we have a ton more data on Sarr.
Ag Natural said:


He still makes me nervous. Foreign players who weren't major contributors back home just make me nervous. I know he's got a stud in front of him, so they say, but then you have to ask why isn't THAT guy in the NBA? Luka, Senguin, Wemby, etc were all league MVP caliber pros overseas.
Totally get it. Especially because NBL isn't the same as a Real Madrid or something. If we had #1, I take Sarr in a heartbeat and never look back. I think he will be good. Chance to be like JJJ level.

Because it is a professional league, a lot of teams won't give the players a chance to play out like they would in college when the players are younger and less experienced. And really no one in this draft is a stand out.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:46p, 5/12/24
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Ag Natural said:


On draft night he was projected to be a 3 and D wing. I'd compare him to Sean Elliot. Regardless. They definitely haven't drafted a one this high since Alvin Robertson.
Guitarsoup said:



He showed everything he had, and still no love from you.


Wasn't Primo #12? And now that I mention it Vassell was #11. The only top 10 picks by the Spurs my lifetime:

Alvin Robertson '84
David '87
Willie Anderson '88
Sean Elliott '89
Timmy '97
Sochan '22
Wemby '23
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:47p, 5/12/24
Ahh yeah, you are right. Not top ten, just lottery.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:54p, 5/12/24
Guitarsoup said:
Ahh yeah, you are right. Not top ten, just lottery.


It's wild to look at Detroit and Houstons roster. Detroit especially is made up almost entirely of high 1st round picks. The Spurs will have 6 lottery picks on the roster finally next season.
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4:22p, 5/12/24
If the Spurs took Dilly and Knecht and let Castle walk, I'd bet Wemby doesn't re-sign with the Spurs. What a horrible defensive tandem for a team who desperately needs it.
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In reply to AA • 4:27p, 5/12/24
AA said:
If the Spurs took Dilly and Knecht and let Castle walk, I'd bet Wemby doesn't re-sign with the Spurs. What a horrible defensive tandem for a team who desperately needs it.
A little dramatic. Wemby probably doesnt even know who Castle is lmao
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In reply to Sher Thing • 4:29p, 5/12/24
Yeah a little bit. It's not the names, but it's the fact that those dudes do not move the needle for the Spurs at all. Knecht is ok, but not with a top 10 pick.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 4:30p, 5/12/24
AA said:
If the Spurs took Dilly and Knecht and let Castle walk, I'd bet Wemby doesn't re-sign with the Spurs. What a horrible defensive tandem for a team who desperately needs it.
Sher Thing said:
A little dramatic. Wemby probably doesnt even know who Castle is lmao

I found the pre lottery interview with Castle interesting. He made it a point to say that in order to play within a winning system at UCONN he couldn't show all he could do. We saw what he could do defensively. I don't think we've seen the offense.
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