Let Nico cook

Technically he traded for lively - from OKC which makes it even sweeter.

TheMasterplan said:

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Technically he traded for lively - from OKC which makes it even sweeter.

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Mavs told them who to pick - they made the decision to draft Lively and dumped off bertans in the process. I had the Bertans dump in the post. They just couldn't complete the trade until after July 1 because they needed OKC cap space to open up in the new season.

TheMasterplan said:

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Technically he traded for lively - from OKC which makes it even sweeter.

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Well OKC switched spots with us in the draft and they took Cason Wallace at 10. He's going to be a good player.

Guitarsoup said:

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Still amazed at the job Nico did.

Dumped Bertans, Bullock, cash, and a future protected first, two pick swaps to get OMax, Gafford, PJ Washington, and two seconds, drafted Lively and signed DJJ and Exum for free.

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Don't forget we took in Richaun Holmes contract in order to get the pick that became OMax. And Holmes was then salary in the Gafford trade.

Also realized the Grant deal wasn't going to work and made him part of the deal to get PJ.

94chem said:

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My understanding is that the challenge had to come from the refs in the last 2 minutes. Is that true? If so, why did OKC use a TO?

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I think the refs can initiate certain reviews at the end of a game, but not on foul calls. So OKC had to challenge that.

Guitarsoup said:

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Still amazed at the job Nico did.

Dumped Bertans, Bullock, cash, and a future protected first, two pick swaps to get OMax, Gafford, PJ Washington, and two seconds, drafted Lively and signed DJJ and Exum for free.

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Traded a 13 year old, Dinwiddie and Dorian for Kyrie, and people thought Dallas did bad in that trade.

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94chem said:

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My understanding is that the challenge had to come from the refs in the last 2 minutes. Is that true? If so, why did OKC use a TO?

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I think the refs can initiate certain reviews at the end of a game, but not on foul calls. So OKC had to challenge that.

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Very interesting. That means that the key play to the game occurred with 27 seconds to go. OKC used a TO at 3:39 to leave them with 2 left. Then with 27 seconds to go, down 2, Dallas gets the deadball technical on PJ. The refs discuss it, agree it's a T, then send SGA to the line for the FT. After the FT, OKC retained possession, and THEN OKC uses the TO. They've had 2 fouls, a technical, and over a minute to decide what they want to run, but they burn the TO. Now they have to burn their final TO on the review, which ended the game when PJ made the first 2 FT. Crazy. Coaches need to hang on to those TO. You just never know...the TO at 27 seconds seemed harmless, but it cost them the game.

94chem said:

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shack009 said:

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94chem said:

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My understanding is that the challenge had to come from the refs in the last 2 minutes. Is that true? If so, why did OKC use a TO?

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I think the refs can initiate certain reviews at the end of a game, but not on foul calls. So OKC had to challenge that.

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Very interesting. That means that the key play to the game occurred with 27 seconds to go. OKC used a TO at 3:39 to leave them with 2 left. Then with 27 seconds to go, down 2, Dallas gets the deadball technical on PJ. The refs discuss it, agree it's a T, then send SGA to the line for the FT. After the FT, OKC retained possession, and THEN OKC uses the TO. They've had 2 fouls, a technical, and over a minute to decide what they want to run, but they burn the TO. Now they have to burn their final TO on the review, which ended the game when PJ made the first 2 FT. Crazy. Coaches need to hang on to those TO. You just never know...the TO at 27 seconds seemed harmless, but it cost them the game.

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The timeout with more than 3 minutes was a use it or lose it timeout, because you only get 2 in the final 3 minutes.

I guess the order of taking the timeout after the free throw is a little odd, but does make sense because the whole dynamic of the game has changed. They ran a completely different inbounds play than the play where PJ fouled Dort. Maybe they had a play for a 3 pointer called when they were down by 2.

But it's understandable to take it there because you think there will probably only be one more time in the game where you will need the timeout, so taking your second to last one there isn't inexcusable.

I think using the last timeout on the challenge was probably the right call. They had gotten every call all game, and it was a close enough play, I think it was worth the risk to take it there. OKC fans can quibble plenty with Daigneualt, but I don't think the timeout usage makes the top 5 or 10. He was really good at using timeouts throughout the game, in my opinion (throughout the series).

FriscoKid said:

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There are certain refs that tend to target Luka. Was the one yesterday one of them???

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Tony Brothers, the guy who somewhat resembles Neil degrasse Tyson, is the guy most of us were complaining about. Wouldn't say he has beef with Luka or anything, he just thinks people are there to see him. He had a terrible game again.

shack009 said:

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94chem said:

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shack009 said:

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94chem said:

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My understanding is that the challenge had to come from the refs in the last 2 minutes. Is that true? If so, why did OKC use a TO?

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I think the refs can initiate certain reviews at the end of a game, but not on foul calls. So OKC had to challenge that.

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Very interesting. That means that the key play to the game occurred with 27 seconds to go. OKC used a TO at 3:39 to leave them with 2 left. Then with 27 seconds to go, down 2, Dallas gets the deadball technical on PJ. The refs discuss it, agree it's a T, then send SGA to the line for the FT. After the FT, OKC retained possession, and THEN OKC uses the TO. They've had 2 fouls, a technical, and over a minute to decide what they want to run, but they burn the TO. Now they have to burn their final TO on the review, which ended the game when PJ made the first 2 FT. Crazy. Coaches need to hang on to those TO. You just never know...the TO at 27 seconds seemed harmless, but it cost them the game.

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The timeout with more than 3 minutes was a use it or lose it timeout, because you only get 2 in the final 3 minutes.

I guess the order of taking the timeout after the free throw is a little odd, but does make sense because the whole dynamic of the game has changed. They ran a completely different inbounds play than the play where PJ fouled Dort. Maybe they had a play for a 3 pointer called when they were down by 2.

But it's understandable to take it there because you think there will probably only be one more time in the game where you will need the timeout, so taking your second to last one there isn't inexcusable.

I think using the last timeout on the challenge was probably the right call. They had gotten every call all game, and it was a close enough play, I think it was worth the risk to take it there. OKC fans can quibble plenty with Daigneualt, but I don't think the timeout usage makes the top 5 or 10. He was really good at using timeouts throughout the game, in my opinion (throughout the series).

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Thanks for the explanation. Asking for the review may have been a mistake...but then he'd be vilified for not doing that. Once the rule was explained, that the contact occurred before the ball was released, it seemed obvious that the call would stand. But then again, I thought that charge overturn was crazy. Nuts.

I completely agree with you that he would have been destroyed for not challenging there. Especially because the national announcers had no clue what they were talking about and were saying that it wasn't a foul and should be challenged. Daigneault was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, IMO.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7HXBkKxt0a/?igsh=MXh4aTMyZmJoZXJvcQ==

Oh man, no idea how to imbed instagram posts.

Have to say, I loved seeing these old Knicks players I grew up watching. I mean I'm not much younger than them, and I don't really count Camby and Sprewell, but seeing LJ and Starks sitting together was really cool. Wish Ewing and Mason would have been there too.

I still maintain I'd rather have Minnesota. Their offense grinds to a halt when ANT isn't aggressive or shooting poorly. And their defensive philosophy is better suited for the inside out game of Denver than Dallas' outside in game.

This officiating is all over the place

Nuggets choking on the glass

Denver looks completely exhausted and out of gas. Settling for jumpers and getting out worked on the glass on both ends.

That escalated quickly. MN went from down 20 to up 10 in 16 minutes or so.

Obviously I'd rather the Mavs play MIN, but man it would've been so nice for both Dallas teams to beat Denver deep in the playoffs.

You're right dude. My bad.

Guitarsoup said:

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Dallas, Minnesota, and Indiana in the Conference Finals, just like everyone expected.

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Anybody surprised by Minnesota or Dallas didn't watch enough ball. Not that they were expected to advance, but it wasn't surprising.

South Platte said:

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Have to say, I loved seeing these old Knicks players I grew up watching. I mean I'm not much younger than them, and I don't really count Camby and Sprewell, but seeing LJ and Starks sitting together was really cool. Wish Ewing and Mason would have been there too.

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Those old Knicks guys set the game back 50 years, but yeah, still iconic players.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Dallas, Minnesota, and Indiana in the Conference Finals, just like everyone expected.

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Anybody surprised by Minnesota or Dallas didn't watch enough ball. Not that they were expected to advance, but it wasn't surprising.

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I think the oddsmakers in Vegas would disagree

94chem said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Dallas, Minnesota, and Indiana in the Conference Finals, just like everyone expected.

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Anybody surprised by Minnesota or Dallas didn't watch enough ball. Not that they were expected to advance, but it wasn't surprising.

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He's referring to preseason expectations. Post-trade deadline metrics showed all three teams were top-8 in the league.

Indiana has no chance against Boston though. They'll win one game by shooting the lights out from three but Boston will average 125 a game for the series.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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I still maintain I'd rather have Minnesota. Their offense grinds to a halt when ANT isn't aggressive or shooting poorly. And their defensive philosophy is better suited for the inside out game of Denver than Dallas' outside in game.

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I think I heard someone say that the Mavs seem to play better against defensive teams with some offensive holes rather than string offensive teams (see: Indiana games this year). If you subscribe to that, then we got the better matchup.

Minnesota's offense can definitely go away at times, but Ant and McDaniels have been so good defensively.

This is going to be such an interesting series to see what the teams strategies are to start and then what moves are made from there.

94chem said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Dallas, Minnesota, and Indiana in the Conference Finals, just like everyone expected.

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Anybody surprised by Minnesota or Dallas didn't watch enough ball. Not that they were expected to advance, but it wasn't surprising.

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Preseason over/unders for wins:

Dallas: 45.5
Minnesota: 44.5
Indiana: 38.5

The most glaring issue for Minnesota is that Dallas as currently constructed routinely turns players with Gobert's skill set into liabilities. They force them to either switch onto Luka/Kyrie or choose between being a help side defender vs defending the cutting/backdoor lob. And because Dallas doesn't play offense in the post at all Gobert won't have much room to be a net positive.

Gobert is functionally a more experienced, less athletic version of Lively but the difference is Dallas' style allows them to still play 5 on 5 offensively with him on the court. Minnesota doesn't isolate defenders and make them choose on the pick and roll nearly as much as Dallas does, and it effectively turns Gobert into an offensive rebounder alone on that end.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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The most glaring issue for Minnesota is that Dallas as currently constructed routinely turns players with Gobert's skill set into liabilities. They force them to either switch onto Luka/Kyrie or choose between being a help side defender vs defending the cutting/backdoor lob. And because Dallas doesn't play offense in the post at all Gobert won't have much room to be a net positive.

Gobert is functionally a more experienced, less athletic version of Lively but the difference is Dallas' style allows them to still play 5 on 5 offensively with him on the court. Minnesota doesn't isolate defenders and make them choose on the pick and roll nearly as much as Dallas does, and it effectively turns Gobert into an offensive rebounder alone on that end.

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All good points.
KAT is also not really much of a post player on offense right? I didnt watch them play much this year, so maybe he developed it.

KAT's best post move is the turn around fade from inside 15 feet. He's not a guy getting layups and dunks with great footwork on a regular basis. The long term criticism of him is that he's essentially the biggest small forward in the league. He doesn't even rebound the ball particularly well anymore for a 7 footer who plays as much as he does, he averages fewer boards per game than Luka and hasn't been a 10+ rebound per game guy since his early 20s.

His best asset in this series will be pulling someone away from the rim, but I suspect Dallas won't allow that to be a factor unless he starts abusing smaller defenders in the post and on the glass. I imagine Dallas will put DJJ/Kyrie on ANT most of the time and have PJ as the primary defender on KAT. Smaller forwards routinely defend KAT pretty effectively.

Guitarsoup said:

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94chem said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Dallas, Minnesota, and Indiana in the Conference Finals, just like everyone expected.

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Anybody surprised by Minnesota or Dallas didn't watch enough ball. Not that they were expected to advance, but it wasn't surprising.

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Preseason over/unders for wins:

Dallas: 45.5
Minnesota: 44.5
Indiana: 38.5

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How is that remotely relevant to Dallas?

'95 Rockets were the best team in the league with 47 wins. And they didn't change their entire roster at the trade deadline.

I was kinda hoping for an all Dallas vs New York finals.

Mavs vs knicks in basketball

Stars vs rangers in hockey

Would have been a fun storyline, but this Knicks team was a mash unit by the end. Even if Brunson didn't break his hand today, they would have been swept by Boston. Lambs to the slaughter.