why would I ever post something negative about TimmyObi Wan Ginobili said:
This is azulag level dumbassery.
I think horry is mad at Spurs organization for some reason or another, idk why. But he seems bitter, haven't seen him at a spurs game since he retiredEnzo The Baker said:
Horry has made these jabs at Duncan out of nowhere before. It's bizarre.
azulAg said:I think horry is mad at Spurs organization for some reason or another, idk why. But he seems bitter, haven't seen him at a spurs game since he retiredEnzo The Baker said:
Horry has made these jabs at Duncan out of nowhere before. It's bizarre.
It has been discussed since he was with the Rockets.ea1060 said:
Where are you getting the Horry was lazy story? Ive never heard that narrative about him, from everything Ive read/heard he seemed like a model teammate and got along well with all of his coaches and teammates. Im sure that laziness wouldn't have faired well with Hakeem, Pop, Kobe but yet all of those guys seemed to like him.
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I'll tell you the deal with Rob, Rob just hangs out the entire game. He does it all season long, he doesn't do anything. He doesn't feel like playing. He shows up sometimes, and then you put him in the fourth quarter in a big game, whether it be regular season or the playoffs, and he's like, "Okay, it's time to play now. I've been hanging out the entire season, it's time to play now." And he just turns it on.
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And Rob was basically dismissed for his delusion and laughed at. It was pretty funny when the Jordan comment shut him up.
I'm sure Rob didn't get along well with Duncan. You have one player who was known for consistency, substance and hard work and another who know for being talented but insanely lazy, coat tail rider and inconsistent. I imagine they weren't fast friends with such contrasting outlooks on the game.
I'll always appreciate Rob for his big playoff moments but he is hardly the player to ask when talking about career greatness. He frankly could have been a very good/great player, but was content with being situationally great.
Hakeem may have had an arguably higher peak than Duncan by the tiniest of margins, but Duncan was clearly the better player and had the better career and history will show that. Of course lazy Rob is going to want to promote a few peak moments of greatness over a consistent career. His whole career was based on just that philisophy.
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Where's Robert Horry in your graphic? He's got more rings than most of those chumps.
The 94/95 title runs seemed to have whitewashed a lot about Hakeem's legacy. But the truth is that he wasn't a good teammate for most of his career. He was moody and selfish.Quote:
Not everyone gets the perfect scenario for a perfect run. Great coaches, all-time great teammates, ridiculous drafts, etc.
So you're taking the side of the world's ****tiest ownership who wanted to trade an all-time great for trash?Guitarsoup said:The 94/95 title runs seemed to have whitewashed a lot about Hakeem's legacy. But the truth is that he wasn't a good teammate for most of his career. He was moody and selfish.Quote:
Not everyone gets the perfect scenario for a perfect run. Great coaches, all-time great teammates, ridiculous drafts, etc.
Hakeem faked injuries because he wanted to be paid more.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-03-24/sports/9201270434_1_rockets-owner-charlie-thomas-hakeem-olajuwon-leonard-armato
He was swept out of the playoffs 4 times, got bounced in the 1st round 9 times and missed the playoffs in his prime while he was being a petulant brat because he wanted to be paid more.
The Rockets tried hard to trade him repeatedly and were denied for trades that look laughable now.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1992-09-06/sports/9209060421_1_olajuwon-hakeem-mark-randall
Houston asked Miami for Rony Seikly, Grant Long and Harold Miner and MIAMI said no.
How about this:
The Rockets hope to avoid starting from scratch again. But Roberts holds the key. If he decides he does not want to play in LA, he could open the door to trade Olajuwon. Even then, though, it will not be easy.
The Knicks may be trying to join the threesome of Orlando, the Rockets and Clippers in what could amount to an incredible exchange of talent.
The deal would send Olajuwon to the Clippers and Sleepy Floyd to the Clippers or Knicks. Houston would receive Danny Manning and Loy Vaught from the Clippers, Roberts from Orlando and Gerald Wilkins from the Knicks, if he can be signed before the trade. Wilkins is an unrestricted free agent.
The Clippers would receive Olajuwon along with Jackson and Charles Oakley from the Knicks while giving up Manning and Vaught to Houston and Smith and Rivers to New York.
New York would receive Smith, Rivers and perhaps Floyd for Oakley, Jackson and Wilkins.
Orlando would receive two first-round draft picks, probably from the Clippers, for Roberts.
It's only about as confusing as trigonometry.
Normally, getting two general managers to agree on a trade is tough enough. Arranging a deal that four GMs feel is equitable seems like an impossibility.
This could explain why there was a shortage of comment from all the would-be participants in this trade. It appeared late Friday that while all four teams are interested in doing deals, they probably will have trouble getting together for one big blockbuster.
Again, Roberts probably will determine who makes the first move.
A good gauge of where things stand on the Olajuwon front is the shortage of information that has trickled out in the past few days. Rockets GM Steve Patterson has been in contact with Clippers GM Elgin Baylor and other principals in the deal several times in the past two days but refuses to comment on the proceedings.
One source in LA said the Clippers would rather have a 22-year-old Stanley Roberts than Olajuwon, who will be 30 this season.
Duncan absolutely should have won the MVP in his second season in the league. Both of Karl Malone's MVPs were bull. Duncan should have won in 99 and then he proved it in the playoffs. Jordan should have won in 97, because Jordan.Ag Natural said:
Duncan was an MVP candidate from day one and had his team in contention for 19 straight years. His last all pro season was year 17.
No logical individual would rank Hakeem higher.
That being said, I would pay big money to see 2003 Duncan vs. 1995 Hakeem.
I find it entertaining you think that gif of Robinson, of all players, blocking a shot helps your argument.Guitarsoup said:
No one would have ever considered trading Hakeem if he wasn't a ****ty teammate. He eventually grew up a lot. But Hakeem wasn't all great all the time.
Not only were the Rockets trying to trade him, but other teams were saying no.
Dream absolutely should have won the MVP in 1995. Robinson's MVP was Bull. He proved it in the playoffs.Guitarsoup said:Duncan absolutely should have won the MVP in his second season in the league. Both of Karl Malone's MVPs were bull. Duncan should have won in 99 and then he proved it in the playoffs. Jordan should have won in 97, because Jordan.Ag Natural said:
Duncan was an MVP candidate from day one and had his team in contention for 19 straight years. His last all pro season was year 17.
No logical individual would rank Hakeem higher.
That being said, I would pay big money to see 2003 Duncan vs. 1995 Hakeem.
I haven't reached on anything.aggie1906 said:I find it entertaining you think that gif of Robinson, of all players, blocking a shot helps your argument.Guitarsoup said:
No one would have ever considered trading Hakeem if he wasn't a ****ty teammate. He eventually grew up a lot. But Hakeem wasn't all great all the time.
Not only were the Rockets trying to trade him, but other teams were saying no.
Dream had about 6 or 7 years as good as ole Timmy's best.
That fact that you're reaching for something that doesn't exist says all that needs to be said.
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Except for the little fact that Hakeem had a better team, better teammates, but was only a 6th seed while Robinson had the best record in the NBA. Their stats were similar.aggie1906 said:Dream absolutely should have won the MVP in 1995. Robinson's MVP was Bull. He proved it in the playoffs.Guitarsoup said:Duncan absolutely should have won the MVP in his second season in the league. Both of Karl Malone's MVPs were bull. Duncan should have won in 99 and then he proved it in the playoffs. Jordan should have won in 97, because Jordan.Ag Natural said:
Duncan was an MVP candidate from day one and had his team in contention for 19 straight years. His last all pro season was year 17.
No logical individual would rank Hakeem higher.
That being said, I would pay big money to see 2003 Duncan vs. 1995 Hakeem.
That sound about right?
You only think that because you aren't old enough to remember Hakeem before 1994.aggie1906 said:
Move on to Harden because you know your silly argument about being a bad teammate doesn't hold water. Why do you think guys like Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, Mad Max go to bad for Hakeem 25 years later? They know he never gets the credit he deserves. They know about his greatness. They know he was fantastic to play with and a true leader.
