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After the Spurs dismantled the Warriors on Easter, I was hoping for a rematch in the Western Conference Finals. No question Spurs 14 > GSW 15
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2014 Spurs vs. 2015 Warriors
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I agree with the statement of the timing of both teams peaks. If the '14 Spurs played the '15 Warriors in June, in my opinion the Spurs win in 5. They were absolutely unstoppable in 4/5 of the Finals games last year. Not sure exactly either when the Dubs peaked, but their peak vs the '14 Spurs peak would have made a helluva series. The '15 Warriors and '15 Spurs would have been the best series of the playoffs this year I think.
My post-season rankings at the end of the playoffs:
1. Warriors
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Rockets
5. Cavs (pre Irving injury)
6. Grizz
I'll probably get hate from Rockets fans, but still think the Clippers were the better team out of those two. Yes, the Rox won, but in my opinion it was more the Clips choking due to nerves, than Houston forcing them to choke. In other words, I think the Clippers would have challenged the Warriors more so than the Rockets did. I'm tempted to put the Spurs over the Clips as well, as I think they'd have taken GS to 7 if not won in less games. Either way, you could argue that 2-4 were all interchangeable...crazy to think they all had to play each other in rounds 1 and 2.
I just saw this and had to laugh.
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2014 Spurs was the most dominant finals team of all time.
Exactly. That's why they swept the heat. Oh wait.
Question. Did you watch the 2014 finals? Did you watch the 2007 finals?
If so, you tell me which Spurs team was more dominant.
If so, you tell me which Spurs team was more dominant.
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My post-season rankings at the end of the playoffs:
1. Warriors
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Rockets
5. Cavs (pre Irving injury)
6. Grizz
I'll probably get hate from Rockets fans, but still think the Clippers were the better team out of those two. Yes, the Rox won, but in my opinion it was more the Clips choking due to nerves, than Houston forcing them to choke. In other words, I think the Clippers would have challenged the Warriors more so than the Rockets did. I'm tempted to put the Spurs over the Clips as well, as I think they'd have taken GS to 7 if not won in less games. Either way, you could argue that 2-4 were all interchangeable...crazy to think they all had to play each other in rounds 1 and 2.
Post season at the end of the playoffs? I know it is just your opinion but there is no way San Antonio was one of the best 3 teams left w/ a gimpy Tony Parker. Respect the hell out of the Spurs but his condition decimated that team and really took them down a notch. I'm even surer that there's no way they'd have taken GS 7 or won with Parker AND Splitter in the condition they were this post season.
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Question. Did you watch the 2014 finals? Did you watch the 2007 finals?
If so, you tell me which Spurs team was more dominant.
The games may been closer but ultimately going 4-0 is always more dominant than 4-1. Plus there are another 7 or so teams that have gone 4-0. But yeah the Spurs were more dominant than all of them without a doubt.
quote:Spurs fan here, and I agree with this although I will add that Splitter's injury was not very relevant to a matchup with the Warriors. He wouldn't have played much in that series, as Diaw would have taken his minutes to match up with the Warriors small ball lineups. However, without an effective Parker to break down the defense and penalize them for a lack of rim protection, the Warriors still would have won the series in a relatively comfortable 6 games. I stand by my opinion that the 2014 Spurs would have smoked the 2015 Warriors though. That's a level of basketball that I've never seen before.
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My post-season rankings at the end of the playoffs:
1. Warriors
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Rockets
5. Cavs (pre Irving injury)
6. Grizz
I'll probably get hate from Rockets fans, but still think the Clippers were the better team out of those two. Yes, the Rox won, but in my opinion it was more the Clips choking due to nerves, than Houston forcing them to choke. In other words, I think the Clippers would have challenged the Warriors more so than the Rockets did. I'm tempted to put the Spurs over the Clips as well, as I think they'd have taken GS to 7 if not won in less games. Either way, you could argue that 2-4 were all interchangeable...crazy to think they all had to play each other in rounds 1 and 2.
Post season at the end of the playoffs? I know it is just your opinion but there is no way San Antonio was one of the best 3 teams left w/ a gimpy Tony Parker. Respect the hell out of the Spurs but his condition decimated that team and really took them down a notch. I'm even surer that there's no way they'd have taken GS 7 or won with Parker AND Splitter in the condition they were this post season.
Splitter was much more important against the Clippers, a team with two true bigs. Splitter should have been covering Griffin in that series because he has the lateral quickness to chase him around on those jump shots but is still big enough to slow him down in the post. Duncan can cover Griffin well, but he's more valuable protecting the rim... which forced the Spurs to use defenders who were wholly inadequate to the task.
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Question. Did you watch the 2014 finals? Did you watch the 2007 finals?
If so, you tell me which Spurs team was more dominant.
The games may been closer but ultimately going 4-0 is always more dominant than 4-1. Plus there are another 7 or so teams that have gone 4-0. But yeah the Spurs were more dominant than all of them without a doubt.
How long have you been watching basketball now? You have much to learn, young one.
quote:Judging by how you post I get a feel like you're in your early 20s. I'm willing to guess you've only seen about a dozen NBA finals.quote:quote:
Question. Did you watch the 2014 finals? Did you watch the 2007 finals?
If so, you tell me which Spurs team was more dominant.
The games may been closer but ultimately going 4-0 is always more dominant than 4-1. Plus there are another 7 or so teams that have gone 4-0. But yeah the Spurs were more dominant than all of them without a doubt.
How long have you been watching basketball now? You have much to learn, young one.
quote:All of this is very confusing to me and I'm a Rockets fan. Have been for life and worked for the organization. You either win the title or don't. Who gives a **** about anything else? The analysis about matchups is spot on and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Example is in 1993 I think the Rockets could of given the Bulls a run for their money but the Sonics were always a bad matchup for them. I didn't rank the Rockets behind the Bulls at the time because guess what, they lost to the Sonics.
I agree with the statement of the timing of both teams peaks. If the '14 Spurs played the '15 Warriors in June, in my opinion the Spurs win in 5. They were absolutely unstoppable in 4/5 of the Finals games last year. Not sure exactly either when the Dubs peaked, but their peak vs the '14 Spurs peak would have made a helluva series. The '15 Warriors and '15 Spurs would have been the best series of the playoffs this year I think.
My post-season rankings at the end of the playoffs:
1. Warriors
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Rockets
5. Cavs (pre Irving injury)
6. Grizz
I'll probably get hate from Rockets fans, but still think the Clippers were the better team out of those two. Yes, the Rox won, but in my opinion it was more the Clips choking due to nerves, than Houston forcing them to choke. In other words, I think the Clippers would have challenged the Warriors more so than the Rockets did. I'm tempted to put the Spurs over the Clips as well, as I think they'd have taken GS to 7 if not won in less games. Either way, you could argue that 2-4 were all interchangeable...crazy to think they all had to play each other in rounds 1 and 2.
And yet I clearly know the game better than you.
quote:Only in your mind. Why don't you go and show your true colors for everyone again.
And yet I clearly know the game better than you.
2011 was the most dominating Finals performance by a team ever.
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LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
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LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
Spurs outscored their playoff opponents by an incredible 214 points, setting a new standard for the best plus/minus in NBA playoffs history,
Starting with Game 7 against Dallas the Spurs went 13-4 with 12 of those wins coming by double digits
In the second round they beat the Blazers 4-1 with wins by margins of 24, 17, 15 and 22 points.
OKC was next and at least put up a fight in the conference finals. Yet, they still came up short in six games, while being outscored by 63 points (10.5 per game).
Then Miami failed to live up to the hype and was outscored by 70 points (14 per game) in a series that lasted just five games. Spurs four wins came by 15, 19, 21 & 17 points.
During the series, San Antonio became the first team in the shot-clock era to shoot at least 55 percent from the field in three separate games of a single NBA Finals.
Not only that, but the Spurs set a record for best field-goal percentage (75.8) in one half of a Finals game, while also accounting for the two best shooting quarters 87.5 percent and 86.7 percent in Finals history.
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quote:We have statistics on our side. What do you have besides blind hatred?
LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
quote:Except you lost a game. You know the only stat that matters.quote:We have statistics on our side. What do you have besides blind hatred?
LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
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Seriously, You guys are basing your facts on point differential? That's like saying Baylor should be the national champions of college football. Give me a break!
So four 1-point wins would've been more dominant?
quote:I'm not so sure you know what that means.
quote:In what matters? Of course. How could it not?
So four 1-point wins would've been more dominant?
quote:Of your examples, only the Russell Celtics in 1959 swept the finals. Of course, that was in an 8-team league and their ECF series against the mighty Syracuse Nationals (sub .500 team) went 7 games.
LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
Spurs-Heat average score over the course of the entire series was 105.6 to 92.6 in favor of the Spurs. The Spurs averaged 1.21 points per possession and held the Heat to just 1.05 points per possession.
To compare to the Spurs' sweep against the Cavs in 07, the average score was just a 6 point spread (86 to 80)
The 02 Lakers swept the Nets and averaged just a hair under 10points more per game at 106.0 to 96.8. Their offensive production was 1.17 points per possession and gave up 1.07 points per possession.
In the 1991 Finals, the Lakers lost 4-1 to the Bulls for Jordan's first title. Average score was 101.4 to 91.6, so almost a 10-point win per game. Points per possession were 1.16 vs 1.05.
The 1989 Finals had a Pistons sweep of the injured and broke-down showtime Lakers with an average score of 109 to 102.3. However that Pistons team did average 1.20 points per possession, very close to the Spurs' 1.21 PPG last year. They also gave up 1.13PPP.
The 83 Lakers were swept by DrJ and Moses by an average of 10 points per game. No points per possession stats were kept that far back.
In 1971, Kareem's Bucks swept the Bullets by an average of 12.3 points per game.
In 1965, the Russell Celtics beat the Jerry West Lakers in 5 games with an average score of 123.4 to 110.8, and average margin of victory 12.6 points.
In 1961, Russell's Celtics beat the Bob Pettit-led Hawks in 5 games with an average score of 121.0-108.6, and average margin of 12.4.
In 1959, Russell's Celtics swept Elgin Baylor's Lakers with an average score of 121.8-115.5. Avg margin of 10.3.
So that is every Finals in NBA history.
Average margin of victory over all games played in the Finals:
1. 2014 Spurs: 13.0
2. 1965 Celtics 12.6
3. 1961 Celtics: 12.4
4. 1971 Bucks: 12.3
5. 1959 Celtics: 10.3
6. 1983 76ers: 10.0
So in the history of the NBA, six teams have had a margin of victory in the Finals of 10 points per game or higher. Only two came after the NBA/ABA Merger and no team had a higher average margin of victory than the Spurs' 13.0 points per game. Also, no team in recorded history (about the last 30 years) has averaged more points per possession in the Finals than the Spurs.
It is completely legitimate to say they are in the discussion for the most dominating Finals performance ever by a team.
quote:That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day. And now you are crossing sports. The Spurs point differential is based on a western conference playoff run and an NBA finals seven game series against the defending champion and the best player in the world. Not bdf conference football teams.
Seriously, You guys are basing your facts on point differential? That's like saying Baylor should be the national champions of college football. Give me a break!
If Baylor had a pt differential of +40 (not even sure what it is) after going through the CFB playoff and a 7 game football series with Ohio State, I would say that is pretty dang impressive and my money is they would be the new champs.
quote:In the discussion or is?quote:Of your examples, only the Russell Celtics in 1959 swept the finals. Of course, that was in an 8-team league and their ECF series against the mighty Syracuse Nationals (sub .500 team) went 7 games.
LOL at last year's Spurs being the most dominant Finals team of all time. Showtime, the Bird era, MJ's Bulls, Russell's Celtics all would like to have a word with you Spurs homers.
Spurs-Heat average score over the course of the entire series was 105.6 to 92.6 in favor of the Spurs. The Spurs averaged 1.21 points per possession and held the Heat to just 1.05 points per possession.
To compare to the Spurs' sweep against the Cavs in 07, the average score was just a 6 point spread (86 to 80)
The 02 Lakers swept the Nets and averaged just a hair under 10points more per game at 106.0 to 96.8. Their offensive production was 1.17 points per possession and gave up 1.07 points per possession.
In the 1991 Finals, the Lakers lost 4-1 to the Bulls for Jordan's first title. Average score was 101.4 to 91.6, so almost a 10-point win per game. Points per possession were 1.16 vs 1.05.
The 1989 Finals had a Pistons sweep of the injured and broke-down showtime Lakers with an average score of 109 to 102.3. However that Pistons team did average 1.20 points per possession, very close to the Spurs' 1.21 PPG last year. They also gave up 1.13PPP.
The 83 Lakers were swept by DrJ and Moses by an average of 10 points per game. No points per possession stats were kept that far back.
In 1971, Kareem's Bucks swept the Bullets by an average of 12.3 points per game.
In 1965, the Russell Celtics beat the Jerry West Lakers in 5 games with an average score of 123.4 to 110.8, and average margin of victory 12.6 points.
In 1961, Russell's Celtics beat the Bob Pettit-led Hawks in 5 games with an average score of 121.0-108.6, and average margin of 12.4.
In 1959, Russell's Celtics swept Elgin Baylor's Lakers with an average score of 121.8-115.5. Avg margin of 10.3.
So that is every Finals in NBA history.
Average margin of victory over all games played in the Finals:
1. 2014 Spurs: 13.0
2. 1965 Celtics 12.6
3. 1961 Celtics: 12.4
4. 1971 Bucks: 12.3
5. 1959 Celtics: 10.3
6. 1983 76ers: 10.0
So in the history of the NBA, six teams have had a margin of victory in the Finals of 10 points per game or higher. Only two came after the NBA/ABA Merger and no team had a higher average margin of victory than the Spurs' 13.0 points per game. Also, no team in recorded history (about the last 30 years) has averaged more points per possession in the Finals than the Spurs.
It is completely legitimate to say they are in the discussion for the most dominating Finals performance ever by a team.
I'd take the 89 Pistons, 83 76ers, and 02 Lakers all day every day over the 14 Spurs. I'd probably take the 07 Spurs over 14 as well.
quote:Did you even watch any of those series? The 02 Lakers weren't even the best Lakers team of the Kobe/Shaq/Phil Lakers.
I'd take the 89 Pistons, 83 76ers, and 02 Lakers all day every day over the 14 Spurs.
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I'd probably take the 07 Spurs over 14 as well.
You'd be alone. The 07 Spurs weren't as good as the 99 Spurs, 05 Spurs and 14 Spurs. They probably would have lost to the 06 Spurs, too.
It's easy to throw out opinions with no numbers or facts to back them up, huh?
'07 Spurs over '14 Spurs is not even debatable. In 07, Spurs basically swept Lebron and a bunch of scrubs (and won the last 2 games by a combined 4 points), and also got lucky that the Mavs got bounced in the first round. I have my doubts Spurs could've beaten them that year.
The 14 Spurs steamrolled their way through a title-defending Heat team that had made the Finals four straight times.
Honestly, I don't know how you could believe the bull**** you're spewing, unless this is a troll, in which case, well played.
'07 Spurs over '14 Spurs is not even debatable. In 07, Spurs basically swept Lebron and a bunch of scrubs (and won the last 2 games by a combined 4 points), and also got lucky that the Mavs got bounced in the first round. I have my doubts Spurs could've beaten them that year.
The 14 Spurs steamrolled their way through a title-defending Heat team that had made the Finals four straight times.
Honestly, I don't know how you could believe the bull**** you're spewing, unless this is a troll, in which case, well played.
quote:I'm talking about finals performances not who's the best team ever.
quote:Did you even watch any of those series? The 02 Lakers weren't even the best Lakers team of the Kobe/Shaq/Phil Lakers.
I'd take the 89 Pistons, 83 76ers, and 02 Lakers all day every day over the 14 Spurs.
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I'd probably take the 07 Spurs over 14 as well.
You'd be alone. The 07 Spurs weren't as good as the 99 Spurs, 05 Spurs and 14 Spurs. They probably would have lost to the 06 Spurs, too.
And no I didn't watch the teams in the 80s, but I still think its fairly easy to compare based on results.
Yep. 05 was probably the second best Spurs title team. The 14 team was clearly the best team in Spurs history. From Regular Season Game 1 to NBA Finals Game 5 they were dominant.
Had so much fun watching the 05 Finals, but damn was it stressful.
quote:Incredible series. The games were so low scoring and defensive minded. Really insane how far our team has come in regard to style of play. I loved that series though. Horry in Game 5. Duncan playing hobbled but still putting the team on his back against a monster front court in Rasheed/Ben and Manu doing Manu things with his hair all over the place.
Had so much fun watching the 05 Finals, but damn was it stressful.
Anyone that would take the 07 Spurs over the 14 Spurs doesn't get much credibility in my book for evaluating basketball from year to year. That 07 team was probably the 5th best Spurs team of the Duncan era, possibly worse than that. They just had all the cards align at the right time.
quote:The discussion is most dominant finals, not best team. Is it really that hard to understand?
Anyone that would take the 07 Spurs over the 14 Spurs doesn't get much credibility in my book for evaluating basketball from year to year. That 07 team was probably the 5th best Spurs team of the Duncan era, possibly worse than that. They just had all the cards align at the right time.
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