How big of a basket case is this guy? I was reading more reports about him today and wow he's disgressed so much since 2008. He can't defend, shoot, can't shoot free throws, doesn't really do anything anymore except suck

Dude Is an absolute ****ing has been. I never understood the love Houston radio had for him.

My guess is he will be starting PG for the Knicks or Lakers next season.

He's still an upgrade from Jameer Nelson, who did absolutely nothing for the Mavs

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Kind reminds me of Dwight Howard. He can't stay healthy and is a pure phony when it comes to being a good teammate.

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Here, here!

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He's still an upgrade from Jameer Nelson, who did absolutely nothing for the Mavs

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No he's not. I agree Nelson was bad, but Harris would have been getting all the critical minutes come playoff time, and Rondo is not better than Harris. The numbers clearly back this up. Both Rondo's individual numbers and the team numbers when Rondo is on/off the court.

Rondo isn't an upgrade over Jameer? If you really believe that, maybe consider another hobby. Just a thought.

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He's still an upgrade from Jameer Nelson, who did absolutely nothing for the Mavs

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No he's not. I agree Nelson was bad, but Harris would have been getting all the critical minutes come playoff time, and Rondo is not better than Harris. The numbers clearly back this up. Both Rondo's individual numbers and the team numbers when Rondo is on/off the court.

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My argument isn't about Rondo vs Harris, it's about Rondo vs Jameer- and yes, Rondo is better than Nelson for this team. Harris had Wright to team up with before the trade, and while Devin was surviving between Wright being traded away and picking up Stoudemire, Devin and Stoudemire seem to be developing a similar connection. Granted, it's only a couple of games that Devin and Stoudemire have been playing together, but so far so good.

So, more to your point- had we not traded for Rondo, Harris still would've gotten critical minutes come playoff time, but Jameer was never going to help either on offense or defense. At least Rondo can play defense- and the numbers clearly back this up too considering the astronomical rise in defensive rating since the trade

But if he's not meshing well with the team, I don't care what his numbers are, get him out.

So what did he actually do to deserve tonight's suspension, anyone know?

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So what did he actually do to deserve tonight's suspension, anyone know?

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He apparently had a spat with Carlise...about what? I don't know...

But if he's being an ass...I don;t want him on my team

In-game argument:



And apparently they had another one after the game.

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So what did he actually do to deserve tonight's suspension, anyone know?

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Carlisle called a play, Rondo ignored him. Carlisle agin called the play screaming at him, again Rondo ignored him (appears wanted Rondo to pass to the left side). Carlisle then calls a timeout, and Rondo passes by Carlisle and says something that bits sets him off.it apparently continued in the locker room after the game.
He was benched and suspended for insubordination.

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Rondo isn't an upgrade over Jameer? If you really believe that, maybe consider another hobby. Just a thought.

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I posted this in the Mavs thread a few days ago, but I guess I'll go ahead and post it here as well.

Rajon Rondo since going to Dallas:

9.0 points pg
6.5 assists pg
4.9 rebounds pg
1.5 steals pg
2.8 turnovers pg
.396 fg %
.286 ft %
.421 ts%
.017 win shares

+ 5.5 per 100 possessions (Nelson +7.3 prior to leaving Dallas, Barea +6.9, Harris
+5.8)

Also, if you take all possible 4 man player combinations with the Mavs, the top ranked combination that includes Rondo is ranked 14th.

There is no argument to be made that Rondo has helped this team. The net effect (even when considering that he may help a little on D) is drastically negative. This is even when compared to Jameer.

Casual fans love to just say "but he helps on D..." Well, the overall impact is still negative, even if he helps on D.

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He's still an upgrade from Jameer Nelson, who did absolutely nothing for the Mavs

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No he's not. I agree Nelson was bad, but Harris would have been getting all the critical minutes come playoff time, and Rondo is not better than Harris. The numbers clearly back this up. Both Rondo's individual numbers and the team numbers when Rondo is on/off the court.

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My argument isn't about Rondo vs Harris, it's about Rondo vs Jameer- and yes, Rondo is better than Nelson for this team. Harris had Wright to team up with before the trade, and while Devin was surviving between Wright being traded away and picking up Stoudemire, Devin and Stoudemire seem to be developing a similar connection. Granted, it's only a couple of games that Devin and Stoudemire have been playing together, but so far so good.

So, more to your point- had we not traded for Rondo, Harris still would've gotten critical minutes come playoff time, but Jameer was never going to help either on offense or defense. At least Rondo can play defense- and the numbers clearly back this up too considering the astronomical rise in defensive rating since the trade

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See above. As bad as Nelson was, Rondo has been worse.

I can understand defending the trade by arguing that the Mavs had to take a chance because we weren't going anywhere with Nelson/Harris. I don't agree with that argument (bc we could have traded for someone else and I thought we'd be better without Rondo), but it's a perfectly reasonable argument to make.

But that argument is different than saying we are now better with Rondo. We aren't better and the numbers prove it. You can say the trade was worth the risk, and also acknowledge we have been worse because of the trade. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Your stats only show the offensive side of the ball. It was a risk trading for him, but if anyone can figure out how to make it work, it is Carlisle.

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Your stats only show the offensive side of the ball. It was a risk trading for him, but if anyone can figure out how to make it work, it is Carlisle.

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Plus minuses factor in more than offense. Rondo is a has been riding the laurels of days gone by - oh, and he's an ass who's apparently bad for the lockerroom. I agree that given what the Mavs gave up, the trade was worth the risk. That said, early returns have been bad - no way around it.

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That sums it up pretty well. It was a trade well worth making. If anyone can make it work, it's Carlisle and the Mavs. I think there's enough veteran leadership that Rondo won't become a cancer that poisons the whole locker room.

The potential positive is that he acquiesces to Carlisle's system, and becomes a team guy who focuses on distributing and D. The possible negative: He's just a knucklehead who gets parked on the bench, and is gone next season.

JJ and Devin have shown they can be trusted w/ significant minutes. And now that Amare is here, the loss of Wright is inconsequential.

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Your stats only show the offensive side of the ball. It was a risk trading for him, but if anyone can figure out how to make it work, it is Carlisle.

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No, the +/- stats incorporate everything. Even if we Re better on D with him on floor, the overall effect is negative. There is no disputing the numbers.

Even though he is an ass, at least his offensive prowess, range shooting, and ability to finish around the rim make up for his bad attitude.

If I could undo the trade today (at the lowest possible point after the suspension) I still wouldn't.

Jameer is just a guy, losing him was a non-factor. I would rather Barrea or Harris (maybe even fat Felton) take his minutes. Wright is a nice, efficient bench player but Stoudamire makes losing him also a non-factor. Hell, I wouldn't trade Wright straight up for Stoudamire right now.

Basically the Mavs will lose next years first round pick (high teens, low 20's) for whatever they get out of Rondo the last 20+ games. Rondo hasn't helped at all since he has been here (as the numbers back up) but I'm not willing to discount the chance that he might. He does have a history of showing up big in the playoffs. That's all the Mavs have to bank on this point but it is something.

The guy has yet to play with the Mavs full complement of players yet. When he was healthy, Parsons was hurt and vice versa.

I say give Carlisle a chance to work his magic. I guaruntee you that the fight was orchestrated by Carlisle to make a point to Rondo. It's just like he did with JET in 2011.

I've been disappointed with Rondo too, but his upside is so much higher than Nelson's it's not even close.

I agree with most of what ya'll are saying. But Rondo hasn't been good in years. I just feel it's a pipe dream to think he will be anything close to what he was in the Boston glory days. I agree it's worth the risk if there is a chance he could play at that level. I'm just not sure there is a chance he can do that.

I also just think he's an awful fit for the mavs, especially when we already have Ellis. We need someone who can space the floor for Ellis to allow him to attack the rim more easily and dish if the D helps. Also makes it harder for Dirk to work when he doesn't have the option to swing the ball for an open three if the opposing point guard doubles.

I only saw the numbers about shooting and passing and rebounding, didn't see the two lines that were separate.My fault.
I want it to work, because he is definitely a good player. I think we were all leery, even the supporters of the trade, because of his lack of ability to knockdown jumpshots. The hope is that he can contribute on offense in other ways that we haven't had a PG do. Remains to be seen.

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Dude Is an absolute ****ing has been. I never understood the love Houston radio had for him.

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610 seemed to think all the Rockets needed to win the title this year was Rondo at point and Vince Young at PF.

Sports radio 610 are full of retards. Known fact