Wright, Nelson, Crowder and two picks
Rondo to Dallas
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Last: 10 yr ago by Spicewood Ag
Meh their bench is garbage and he can't shoot
Garbage is a little too strong... Harris/Barea behind the starters is solid, and Aminu is great defensively. Not much depth behind Dirk and T Chandler though.
With Monta, Parsons, Dirk and Harris scoring, he doesn't really need to shoot. But with Monta and Harris, you do need someone that can guard the other team's guards. To get to the Finals, the Mavs will have to go through some combination of Parker/Ginobili or Westbrook or Harden or Mike Conley or Chris Paul.
Now we need to pick up a backup PF/C.
Rondo is a shell of what he was 2-5 years ago. He still can't shoot and is not a game changer. However Dallas didn't give up all that much and he's a nice defensive player to throw at Harden, Lillard, & Parker.
He has also always been a player that elevates his play based on the game. Carlisle has a history of taking players like this and reinvigorating them. Im cautiously optimistic, and I think, with the previous lineup, we were destined to probably be knocked out in the 2nd round. Now we have upgraded rebounding and perimeter defense. The question will be A.) Can carlisle figure out how to fit him in the offense and B.)Will he elevate his play.
Wright will be missed for the obvious depth reasons, and him and Harris had a great rapport.
Wright will be missed for the obvious depth reasons, and him and Harris had a great rapport.
I think Rondo, on offense when he doesn't have the ball, will have to kind of channel Marion. Learn to lose his man, dive cuts, mid range stuff. Marion on the mavs was not that much of a 3pt threat either. You'll potentially have dirk and parsons able to space the defense already if monta has the ball. Or if dirk has it, monta and parsons. Really have no idea what to expect.
Overpaid and overrated.
You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
quote:I think it could apply to them, but they aren't the subject of this thread.
You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
Losing brandon wright is gonna hurt. He was a legitimate backup who often times played better than tyson chandler as our center. Its gonna be tough to replace him
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You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
James Harden is the MVP so far. That fool ain't overpaid
quote:Marc has been playing really well too Summit.quote:
You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
James Harden is the MVP so far. That fool ain't overpaid
He has indeed. I have him on my fantasy team. He's cleaned up for me
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You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
quote:The Anthony Davis that just beat James Harden on his own court would like to have a word with you.quote:
You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
James Harden is the MVP so far. That fool ain't overpaid
30/14/5/3/2 are pretty stout numbers against a former DPOY who is still in his 20s.
It's between Hasheem Thabeet 2.0 and Harden. Those two are on a different level than everyone else. And the nod goes to harden because he has carried the rockets while Dwight, t jones, and Beverley have all missed significant time
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You must be talking about Dwight Howard or even James "no defense" harden
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
quote:What, you don't think Davis is carrying the Pelicans?
It's between Hasheem Thabeet 2.0 and Harden. Those two are on a different level than everyone else. And the nod goes to harden because he has carried the rockets while Dwight, t jones, and Beverley have all missed significant time
The pelicans would be a bottom 3 team without Davis.
I feel bad for the guy because he's just wasted there.
I feel bad for the guy because he's just wasted there.
Rockets coming off a back to back ot win. Good try soup
Rondo, people.
quote:Garbage is a little strong. Not as deep as last year, but the starting 5 is certainly improved. I really liked Wright, but there's a reason he's never played more than 19 minutes a game.
Meh their bench is garbage and he can't shoot
Crowder played a niche role as a defender and occasional 3-pt shooter. Aminu has shown he can fit that situational defender role.
Having Rajon adds something the Mavs have never had: an elite starting PG who can defend. No need to sub him out in tight games when they need a stop.
The Mavs are already 1st in scoring. They don't need Rajon to shoot. He's averaging 10.8 assists per game w/ the Celtics - playing the fewest minutes since his second year. With this lineup he can pass to any of the 4 other starters anywhere on the court.
There will be some adjustments, but I'm confident Carlisle will make it work very well. Rajon wouldn't be here if that weren't the case.
He's not an elite PG anymore.
quote:No, but the Mavs weren't gonna land Curry, Paul, Lawson, or Wall. Still had 10.8 assists per game with the Celtics. Now he has more, better scorers to pass to.
He's not an elite PG anymore.
I'll take 28 year old Rajon over 32 year old Nelson.
quote:For sure and its not close. Its fine to be excited about it, but that was just a little much to call him elite when I'm pretty sure he's not even top 10 at this point.quote:No, but the Mavs weren't gonna land Curry, Paul, Lawson, or Wall. Still had 10.8 assists per game with the Celtics. Now he has more, better scorers to pass to.
He's not an elite PG anymore.
I'll take 28 year old Rajon over 32 year old Nelson.
Rondo could be damn good there if he buys into a complimentary role. Not sure he's capable though after hearing stories of his personality.
Rondo has been absolutely awful this season though. Hard to judge that though at this point. It's not like Dallas just got CP3 or something. What Rondo has left is pretty up in the air at this point.
Rondo has been absolutely awful this season though. Hard to judge that though at this point. It's not like Dallas just got CP3 or something. What Rondo has left is pretty up in the air at this point.
What will the Mavs do with their frontcourt depth? It seems awful now.
He's been awful, yet is averaging over 10 assists a game. Does not compute
The risks are definitely there taking a gamble on a 28 year old recovering from an ACL tear on a expiring contract but that's obvious at this point.
While he has great length and is a great rebounder at the PG position, his reputation on the defensive side of the ball exceeds his actual skill level on that end at this point of his career. He hasn't defended at a consistent level in awhile now so fans expecting some huge defensive leap on that side of the ball with him at PG are going to be disappointed imo.
Offensively, it's no secret that Rondo is a great passer and creater with the ball in his hands. I wouldn't look too far into his numbers this year though. With the amount of time he had the ball in his hands in Boston and the fact they lead the NBA in pace resulted in a lot of high assist nights. Like most great offenses now, including Dallas', they rely on spacing and movement. It's well documented that Rondo simply cannot shoot the ball. This results in Rondo almost always needing the ball in his hands to be effective because he simply isn't much of a threat playing off the ball. That will create problems for others offensively as he limits others touches. His 33% shooting from the free throw line is enough evidence here for anyone who hasn't followed his career. It's been well documented that the Celtics have historically scored at a worse rate when he's on the floor which is due to his lack of being able to shoot the ball and the defenses lack of respect for his scoring.
This year he's shooting 41 percent on the season and is 12-of-36 from the foul line. His turnovers are through the roof and a bunch have been unforced. Rondo has turned it over on 32 percent of the pick-and-rolls he has finished this season, the worst rate among all 85 players who have run at least 50 such plays this season. This season he has just been pretty bad. But like I said eariler, it's hard to take a lot away from that considering the situation he was in.
He will create some steals and definitely help on the glass but there are some question marks here that Dallas fans just don't want to address or are ignoring. Dallas is currently ranked 1 in offensive efficiency this season and I wouldn't expect that number to hold up. Just better hope Rondo is as good a defender as some people paint him out to be.
While he has great length and is a great rebounder at the PG position, his reputation on the defensive side of the ball exceeds his actual skill level on that end at this point of his career. He hasn't defended at a consistent level in awhile now so fans expecting some huge defensive leap on that side of the ball with him at PG are going to be disappointed imo.
Offensively, it's no secret that Rondo is a great passer and creater with the ball in his hands. I wouldn't look too far into his numbers this year though. With the amount of time he had the ball in his hands in Boston and the fact they lead the NBA in pace resulted in a lot of high assist nights. Like most great offenses now, including Dallas', they rely on spacing and movement. It's well documented that Rondo simply cannot shoot the ball. This results in Rondo almost always needing the ball in his hands to be effective because he simply isn't much of a threat playing off the ball. That will create problems for others offensively as he limits others touches. His 33% shooting from the free throw line is enough evidence here for anyone who hasn't followed his career. It's been well documented that the Celtics have historically scored at a worse rate when he's on the floor which is due to his lack of being able to shoot the ball and the defenses lack of respect for his scoring.
This year he's shooting 41 percent on the season and is 12-of-36 from the foul line. His turnovers are through the roof and a bunch have been unforced. Rondo has turned it over on 32 percent of the pick-and-rolls he has finished this season, the worst rate among all 85 players who have run at least 50 such plays this season. This season he has just been pretty bad. But like I said eariler, it's hard to take a lot away from that considering the situation he was in.
He will create some steals and definitely help on the glass but there are some question marks here that Dallas fans just don't want to address or are ignoring. Dallas is currently ranked 1 in offensive efficiency this season and I wouldn't expect that number to hold up. Just better hope Rondo is as good a defender as some people paint him out to be.
Mavs just got a bunch better for this season. And they didn't jeopardize much of the future. Smart trade.
On paper, the Mavs just got much better. It'll be interesting to see if there is an adjustment period like we saw with Miami and more recently with Cleveland. But I think that this was a very good trade for Dallas, and like birdman pointed out, they didn't sacrifice their entire future to get him. Solid trade if you ask me
He's shooting 33% from the ft this year ?
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