2014-15 5(x) Champion San Antonio Spurs - Title Defense Thread.

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By change, you mean inprove right?
Depends.
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By change, you mean inprove right?
Depends. Does he screen as well as Tiago? Pass as well? Will he also figure out the right spacing or does he just hang out under the basket? I know he's a good defender, so I won't ask those.

Screen? Yes. Houston using him in the pick and roll and 2 man game with Harden.

Pass? Not overly gifted, but you don;t notice him beign a bad passer.

He is most effective hanging out under the backet. You're wasting his talents if you keep him away from the basket.

He led the NBA for years in DWS. His one of the best rim protectors in the game and a hell of a rebounder especially when he's going 100%.

This is a pointless hypopthedical, but you have to know everyone outside of SA would laugh at the thought of Tiago being better than Dwight even if its due to fit or style.
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By change, you mean inprove right?


Look congratulations on landing a guy who was a top 3 player 4 years and several major back injuries ago. We're all really impressed.
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Alright, I'll take this somewhere else. I didn;t realize I was even in this thread when I posted. I'm not used to it showing up on my watch list. Good day and good luck tonight.
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By change, you mean inprove right?
Depends. Does he screen as well as Tiago? Pass as well? Will he also figure out the right spacing or does he just hang out under the basket? I know he's a good defender, so I won't ask those.

Screen? Yes. Houston using him in the pick and roll and 2 man game with Harden.

Pass? Not overly gifted, but you don;t notice him beign a bad passer.

He is most effective hanging out under the backet. You're wasting his talents if you keep him away from the basket.

He led the NBA for years in DWS. His one of the best rim protectors in the game and a hell of a rebounder especially when he's going 100%.

This is a pointless hypopthedical, but you have to know everyone outside of SA would laugh at the thought of Tiago being better than Dwight even if its due to fit or style.
Everyone outside of SA is stupid if they fail to take those things into account, tbh. Everyone outside of SA always seems to discount the Spurs' title chances every year, also.

Look, DH is a wonderful player and anyone would be happy to have him on their team, but to sit here and act like system doesn't matter is disingenuous on your part.

And btw, him not being an overly gifted passer would be a major red flag for SA. All of our bigs that play quality minutes can pass the rock extremely well.
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Alright, I'll take this somewhere else. I didn;t realize I was even in this thread when I posted. I'm not used to it showing up on my watch list. Good day and good luck tonight.


I'm not complaining. I don't mind other fans chatting here. But you guys seem to have it in your heads that Dwight is the same guy he was several years ago and that isn't the case anymore.

Did he spend much time guarding Aldridge last playoffs? Because if so his defense seems to be slipping too.
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If we're talking about skill set, I just can't imagine anyone ever saying that Splitters skill set better suits any team in the league over Dwight's. if you're worried that Dwight won't buy into the system and be just a guy along with all the other guys, I'm right there with ya on the same concerns.

But lets not act like We are asking Splitter to be a huge piece for us on the offensive end. Provide spacing, hit a little hook shot from the block from time to time, and keep the be moving in the flow of the offense. I dont think Tiagos place on this team is needing him to hit the mid range shot. He rarely shoots, and when he does, its from the post. He's also a good defender.

Dwight is a good screener and specializes in the pick and roll game. He's good in the post and a solid rebounder. On defense he's extremely good.

I don't think myself or anyone else toting DH to be very good are comparing or thinking he's the same guy he was in Orlando. But I just feel like he is hands down a better option than Splitter. Just my opinion and obviously most Spurs can in here won't agree.

Ill drop it at that. Flame away.

GSG
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Scenario: replace Splitter with Howard on the Spurs. Assume identical personalities. I watched Howard a lot in Orlando. Unfortunately, I have to reduce his abilities because he's not as quick as he used to be, but here is what I think happens:

Defense: not a lot of change. Howard is not the positional defender Splitter is, but he's got the elevation and timing to make up for most of it. He also gives the Spurs two strong guys for post defense. Defensive efficiency probably stays about the same, the Spurs would just do it a little differently.

Rebounding: Howard is ten times the rebounder Splitter is. Huge upgrade at this position, especially against teams that work hard for offensive rebounds. However, the Spurs are a good rebounding team in general, so it wouldn't show up as much as you might think in team stats.

Offense: Howard would definitely post better offensive numbers than Splitter. He's much better working in the post and finishes much better. However, Splitter has the vision, court sense, and passing of a point guard whereas Howard is an average center in this regard. Howard finishes at the rim much better than Splitter. However, his screens are terrible. Elbows and knees flailing everywhere. He doesn't get called too often because he's a big name, but I'll still take Splitter's much cleaner screens and exceptional re-screens. Given how many screens the Spurs set on and off the ball, this is a bigger advantage for Splitter than you think.

On the whole, I think you would see a small reduction in team offensive efficiency in spite of Howard's better individual stats. The Spurs already have Leonard, Parker, Duncan, and Diaw as high efficiency iso players who can score a lot of points, so adding another, while nice, wouldn't really be a game changer. What you lose would be Splitter's passing and screening, which is key for the Spurs. A lot of those wide open layups and threes for the Spurs bevy of role players go away without Splitter.

In summary, Howard is better than Splitter, but not all teams would be better with Howard instead of Splitter. Splitter is a system player tailor-made for the Spurs system. The things Howard does better than Splitter are things the Spurs as a team already do at an extremely high level with Splitter. There are probably only three teams in the league who would be better with Splitter than Howard, and those are all teams that a) already have scorers, b) play smart defense, and c) move the ball well. That's San Antonio and two teams led by coaches from Pop's tree in Atlanta and Golden State. Put Splitter on most other teams and his lack of athleticism and individual scoring ability becomes MUCH more of a liability, easily enough to outweigh his intelligence and skills away from the ball.
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Incredible.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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Got the ring.
tbirdspur2010
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Oh. My. God.
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Love it!

Not too shocking seeing as Michelle is from Boerne and is a huge Spurs fan. Didn't Pop come on TV for her birthday recently?
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Let's do this! GSG
Natasha Romanoff
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HEB Spurs commercials.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Can't hit a barn
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At dinner and the game is on dvr but man this doesn't seem like a good start based in the box.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Seems like we came out expecting to lose.
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I've watched Howard flat-out SHOVE people in the back twice now. Green in the back on a screen, and Duncan on a rebound, and no call. It's gonna be that kind of game.
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They've also got 5 minutes left in Q1 and rockets already have 20 points. That can't happen.
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Bull**** blocking foul.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Are we gonna send these guys to the line on every possession?
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Look uninterested in this game. Lacksadaisical passes.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Wow, just cannot get a run going.
Natasha Romanoff
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They're getting some nice home cooking
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13 FTA already? Are we that bad or are the refs butt ****ing us without lube?
Natasha Romanoff
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A bit of both. Rockets are playing better tonight and getting into the lane. There have definitely been some HCA calls.
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13 FTA already? Are we that bad or are the refs butt ****ing us without lube?


A lot was fouling Howard on purpose under the hoop.
Natasha Romanoff
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Ayers did just send Harden flying on a screen though.
Brian Earl Spilner
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My god.
Brian Earl Spilner
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At this rate they're gonna shoot 50 fts tonight.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Nice little run though finally. Could've been a much worse quarter.
Natasha Romanoff
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Bench playing well to close out the quarter. Cut it to 7 to end with Harden still in the game.

We definitely miss Tiago with Howard in there.
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13 FTA already? Are we that bad or are the refs butt ****ing us without lube?


A lot was fouling Howard on purpose under the hoop.


Dwight had 6 FTA and they've got 9 more. 9 is a lot for a first quarter.
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