Alright, well there better be NO argument on the 1984 draft

Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Charles Barkley
John Stockton

and toss in Otis Thorpe, Alvin Robertson, or Kevin Willis... doesn't matter, those 5 beat any 5 from 2003

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1984 might beat any team ever.

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Edit: you mean 3 individuals I'm assuming. That's not totally fair, if 1996 had Jordan/ Lebron they'd prolly be in Same boat as '03

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How is it not fair? How is that metric not one worth using? One class has three players which have won MVP awards. The other class has one player who won an MVP award. And that class is rounding out their tenth year in the league, so it's safe to assume that barring a monster season from someone like Carmelo Anthony, their class won't house another MVP other than LeBron. 1996 also has two different DPOY winners.

No point in doing starting 5's because of depth of positioning. A 12-man team would be a better measure. Or just do top ~12 players from each class.

1996:

Kobe Bryant 25/5/5 MVP, AS
Steve Nash 14/3/8 MVP, AS
Allen Iverson 27/3/6 MVP, AS
Ray Allen 19/4/3 AS
Marcus Camby 9/9/2 DPOY
Antoine Walker 17/7/3 AS
Peja Stojakovic 17/4/2 AS
Jermaine O'Neal 13/7/1 AS
Ben Wallace 5/10/1 DPOY
Stephon Marbury 19/3/7 AS
Shareef Abdur-Rahim 18/7/2 AS
Zydrunas Ilgauskas AS/Derek Fisher



2003:

LeBron James 27/7/7 MVP
Dwyane Wade 25/5/6 AS
Carmelo Anthony 25/6/3 AS
Chris Bosh 19/9/2 AS
David West 16/7/2 AS
Chris Kaman 11/8/1 AS
Kirk Hinrich 12/3/5
Josh Howard 14/5/1 AS
T.J. Ford 11/3/6
Mo Williams 13/3/5 AS
Darko Milicic 6/4/1
Kendrick Perkins/Boris Diaw/Nick Collison

Again. How is that close? HOW?

[This message has been edited by Head Ninja In Charge (edited 6/23/2013 10:15p).]

The class of 1984 shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread. Their status is un****witable.

HNIC

Why don't you calm down and have a CapriSun or something

Never.

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How is it not fair? How is that metric not one worth using? One class has three players which have won MVP awards.

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Because it's disingenuous to say the class only has one MVP award when that player is a 4x MVP. To put it another way the 2003 class has as many MVP's as the 1996 class (4), despite 7 less years of potential MVP's.

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How is it not fair? How is that metric not one worth using? One class has three players which have won MVP awards.

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Because it's disingenuous to say the class only has one MVP award when that player is a 4x MVP. To put it another way the 2003 class has as many MVP's as the 1996 class (4), despite 7 less years of potential MVP's.

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Head shot

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1996:

Kobe Bryant 25/5/5 MVP, AS
Steve Nash 14/3/8 MVP, AS
Allen Iverson 27/3/6 MVP, AS
Ray Allen 19/4/3 AS
Marcus Camby 9/9/2 DPOY
Antoine Walker 17/7/3 AS
Peja Stojakovic 17/4/2 AS
Jermaine O'Neal 13/7/1 AS
Ben Wallace 5/10/1 DPOY
Stephon Marbury 19/3/7 AS
Shareef Abdur-Rahim 18/7/2 AS
Zydrunas Ilgauskas AS/Derek Fisher



2003:

LeBron James 27/7/7 MVP
Dwyane Wade 25/5/6 AS
Carmelo Anthony 25/6/3 AS
Chris Bosh 19/9/2 AS
David West 16/7/2 AS
Chris Kaman 11/8/1 AS
Kirk Hinrich 12/3/5
Josh Howard 14/5/1 AS
T.J. Ford 11/3/6
Mo Williams 13/3/5 AS
Darko Milicic 6/4/1
Kendrick Perkins/Boris Diaw/Nick Collison

Again. How is that close? HOW?

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The 1996 class is far more well-rounded at the 5 positions, and is a much deeper class. That being said the 2003 class has by far the best player and the better top 5. If you were putting together a team you'd be better off selecting your PG, C, and SG from 96, and your SF and PF from 03.

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Because it's disingenuous to say the class only has one MVP award when that player is a 4x MVP. To put it another way the 2003 class has as many MVP's as the 1996 class (4), despite 7 less years of potential MVP's.

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All that says is that 2003 has the best player, not the best class.

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I guess I just don't see LeBron having a better career than Kobe.

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LeBron's already matched or surpassed Kobe in everything other than backpacking Shaq to 3 titles.

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Also, none of the 2003 guys could guard Nash or Iverson in their prime, and I'd say Fisher, Camby, and Jermaine have better defensive skills/size.

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LeBron is the best on-ball defender of anyone in either class. Wallace was the best defender overall, but the DPOY is inarguably biased toward centers because they're the most noticeable. Kirk Hinrich is also a very good defender.

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All that says is that 2003 has the best player, not the best class.

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Agreed, but would you say that Iverson is a better overall player than Wade because of his MVP? Maybe, but the margin is small. The 96 class is definitely deeper from 6-12.

Agree with everything HNIC has said.

Class of 1996 for the win

I think, with the 96 team, you'd have to bring Iverson in off the bench as a super 6th man.

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All that says is that 2003 has the best player, not the best class.

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You are taking credit away from the 2003 class just because they have an awesome player who wins the MVP every year. Let's say Jordan was in the 1996 class and won MVP 10 years straight. They would only have 1 player get mvp in those years, but this shouldn't be used as an argument against the other players in that class or the class in general. The other players aren't any worse just bc they never won an MVP and Jordan won it every year.

In the same way, the fact that only James is winning MVPs now isn't a knock against the 2003 class. It does show that they have the best individual player. But it does not show that they don't have a great class. You are punishing the 2003 class for James being so good. If you go by your argument, you would rank the 2003 class higher if they had multiple MVP winners. To me this is a backwards way of looking at it, because that would mean Lebron wasn't as dominant as he has been (or that he got hurt, etc).

Give me 1996, even with 2003 having the best player.

CO 1996 players have made the top 5 of MVP voting 19 times and won 4 MVPs.

After 10 years, (the number of years CO 2003 has been in the league) the CO 1996 had finished in the top 5 12 times and won 3 MVPs.

CO 2003 players have made the top 5 of MVP voting 11 times and won 4 MVPs.



Strange fact: O'Neal and Peja finished 3rd and 4th in 03-04, which I would not have guessed.

Will the 96 team be able to play with 4 balls because having Iverson and Kobe arguing over who gets to shoot, but add Nash and Marbury into the group and the dysfunction would be laughable.


Plus Matt Bonner is in 2003 list.

Get back to me on who's not mentally tough when Lebron has a 6 for 24 game 7 in the finals

1996 is better if you play with 3 basketballs

Matt Bonner

I go with 96... the year I would have been drafted if I had declared out of HS. I decided to wait due to the talent/competition knowing my stock would fall.

96> 03

Just watch Darko get picked over Melo and D-Wade on NBATV

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Alright, well there better be NO argument on the 1984 draft

Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Charles Barkley
John Stockton

and toss in Otis Thorpe, Alvin Robertson, or Kevin Willis... doesn't matter, those 5 beat any 5 from 2003

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They beat any five from 90's on.

84> 03> 96

96, and its not even close...

For what it's worth...

I will say this about the '03 guys. Kyle Korver was the 51st pick, and he's had over 700 NBA appearances. Including the Creighton product, 10 second round picks from that year have played in at least 500 games each.

the '96 draft? Just four.

kyle korver is also one of the best 3 point shooters in NBA history (#29 all time in makes at 42%)

who the hell would guard the answer from the '03 draft? the guy is truly underrated, probably more so for how he carried himself off he court. in his prime, iverson was flat out one of the best at his position ever. it's definitely the guards vs the forwards, in which i would take the guards and the '96 draft any day of the week...so many different scorers (bryant, iverson, allen, walker, stojakovic). the '96 draft would have enough bigs to slow down lebron/melo.

^ EXACTLY

Anyone arguing for the 03 class are just getting sucked into the LeBron hype. 96 has Marcus Camby (former DPOY) and Jermaine Oneal to protect the paint. Remember, we're talking about everyone in their prime

I'll give the F position to 03 class, but G and C to 96, easily.

Decent write up on closing the book on the 1996 draft class.

It really is amazing to think of how many guys they still have in the league. Giannis Antetokounmpo would have been 1 when these guys were drafted.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/66545/reminisce-with-96

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Alright, well there better be NO argument on the 1984 draft

Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Charles Barkley
John Stockton

and toss in Otis Thorpe, Alvin Robertson, or Kevin Willis... doesn't matter, those 5 beat any 5 from 2003

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Special on 1984 Draft is on tonight (NBA TV).

Very good special on the 84 draft. Portland can not win with drafting big men. Bowie, nope, Greg Oden, nope.
Loved hearing about Oscar Schmidt, I had never heard of that guy till tonight. He was very passionate and entertaining.
Classic Round Mound of Rebound!

Whoever said 2003 is the better class is a troll. With Allen from 96 plus wade, bosh, and Lebron, which is the Heat now, are nowhere close if Barkley, Jordan, Stockton, and Hakeem played on the same team. 84 all the way.