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mortimer duke?

I remember seeing him play on a Grizzlies team that featured Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, Hak Warrick, and Brian Cardinal playing the PF/C positions.

I went to see them play the Miami Heat at the end of the season because of Ricky Davis. That Heat teams starting lineup was Davis, Chris Quinn, Kasib Powell, Mark Blount, and Stephane Lasme. Even though the tickets were free, I probably didn't get my money's worth.


Now that I think about it, I guess Memphis had 2 Gay guys on the team back then.

Clay Travis finally figured out the timing of this:

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@ClayTravisBGID: Jason Collins is a free agent, doesn't coming out basically guarantee he gets a new contract? NBA doesn't want to be labeled homophobic.

@ClayTravisBGID: Lots of talk about how first gay athlete would face tough market. Think it's the opposite, probably prolongs career.

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I remember Mark Cuban said after Amaechi came out that it would now be beneficial from a marketing standpoint for a team to sign a gay player. Smart move by Collins to extend his career. He would likely have been forced into retirement by not being signed.

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I heard Erick Dampier and Desagana Diop are considering coming out together so they can extend their careers too.

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Erika?

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To me, that is the same as a WNBA player saying they would not want to share a locker room with a straight male.

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Sorry, but this is dumbest analogy I've ever read. Either you're trolling or your perspective of gender relations/identity is beyond off.

2. Marc Stein just tweeted that a quick and dirty survey of executives from 10 teams showed that only 4 of the teams saw Collins landing on a roster next season, everything considered.

I've heard from some reliable sources its pretty much common knowledge in NBA circles that Tim Duncan is gay. He's probably going to come out after he retires.

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Marc Stein just tweeted that a quick and dirty survey of executives from 10 teams showed that only 4 of the teams saw Collins landing on a roster next season, everything considered.

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That's probably 4 more than if he had stayed in the closet.

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I've heard from some reliable sources its pretty much common knowledge in NBA circles that Tim Duncan is gay. He's probably going to come out after he retires.

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^Surprised it took 40 replies to get to that post. Thread has officially been Basketball Othered.

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It was officially a BO thread when someone said Dirk on the front page. Same vein of BO trollin anyway.

With a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

It took a remarkable amount of courage for him to come out and do that...signing with the Wizards and all.

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Sorry, but this is dumbest analogy I've ever read. Either you're trolling or your perspective of gender relations/identity is beyond off.

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It's not perfect but it is a good analogy. That is the reason we have bathrooms separated by sex because of the security/privacy. Homosexuals are a loophole.

We have a person at my office (about 25 total employees) that is mostly done with a sex change. They use the bathroom downstairs because it is a single and they can lock the door. She/now he don't wont to use the women's, and it would be very strange for everyone is they used the men's. Based on the conversation I have had with the women about the situation, they never felt comfortable with her in the women's room anyway.

To say that analogy is "dumbest analogy I've ever read" is small of you and shows your lack of an open mind or a very defensive mind due to your own situation that creates such strong blindness.

I think I'd be more ashamed to tell people I played for the Wizards than to admit I was gay.

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small of you and shows your lack of an open mind or a very defensive mind due to your own situation that creates such strong blindness

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it's on now

Richard Jefferson missed a huge opportunity here. He's even playing in SF.

I felt like a fight today.
Sorry
I already regret it.

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That is the reason we have bathrooms separated by sex because of the security/privacy. Homosexuals are a loophole.

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Bathrooms are separated by sex, not sexual preference. It's not our fault you can't tell the difference between the two. To refer to homosexuality as a loophole really speaks volumes about your ability to articulate an argument beyond your own ridiculous opinions. I mean, it took me literally only two sentences into reading your post to realize that this would be an uneven debate between you and I on not only moral/ethical planes, but just a common sense level too.

Do me a favor. Go into a room of at least 6 adults. Read your post clearly and out loud. Return to this thread and post their reactions. Jesus Christ.

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I mean, it took me literally only two sentences into reading your post to realize that this would be an uneven debate between you and I on not only moral/ethical planes, but just a common sense level too.

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azn be pissed. said your morally bankrupt. damn.

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Bathrooms are separated by sex, not sexual preference.

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Why are they separated by sex? What was the reasoning behind that?

Please enlighten this neanderthal.

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what would be the use of a urinal in a women's lavatory?

i mean really.

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what would be the use of a urinal in a women's lavatory?

i mean really.

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Sorry, but this is dumbest analogy I've ever read. Either you're trolling or your perspective of gender relations/identity is beyond off.

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Please explain why. I am open to hear your opinion but to put it the way you did just makes you come off as an arrogant asss clown.

Let me explain my earlier statement in as simple terms as possible. I do not think it is a dumb analogy at all. If you feel otherwise, please explain why instead of just spouting off nonsense acting like you are the smartest man in the rooom.

WNBA players would not want to share a locker room with a straight male. At least part (if not the major reason) of the reason why females would be uncomfortable sharing a locker room with a straight man is because they would feel like the man was attracted to them sexually, oogling them, etc. In other words, they would be uncomfortable getting undressed in front of a straight man. If it was a gay man, the females would probably feel alot more comfortable getting undressed. I think this is common logic.

For the same reasons, many males would be uncomfortable being in a locker room with a gay man. They would feel like he may be attracted to them sexually, oogling them, etc. I also think this is common logic.

Notice, I am not saying the gay athletes would be oogling the other players or that they would ever actually hit on them. I am just saying the athletes would feel uncomfortable in the situation, and I think reasonably so. Just like if I was in a locker room with women bc I played on their team, I would never purposefully oogle them, would never hit on them, etc...but I would understand, and in fact expect, that they would feel uncomfortable getting undressed in front of me.

So, again, please explain what about the above analogy is the "dumbest analogy you have ever heard."

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WNBA players would not want to share a locker room with a straight male.

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What is Griner going to do?


Alternatively - they seem to have no problem sharing a lockerroom with gay women.

Griner is gay. He likes dudes. No need for his female teammates to worry.

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Griner is gay. He likes dudes. No need for his female teammates to worry.

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But he just said that WNBA players don't want to share a locker room with straight dudes.

He's not straight, genius.

I'm uncomfortable sharing a shower with any guys gay or straight.

if you're a misanthrope, are you a homophobe by default?

It really does require a longer response, because the "common logic" you're applying is both narrow and shortsighted. It's a logic that really needs to be addressed in and outside the realm of sports and that is of one equating gender identity/identification and sexual preference. They are not one and the same. Again, it would really take an essay to get my point across, but I'll just leave it at this because I'm really trying to make it to happy hour:

1. Is being attracted to women a requirement for being a man? Does that one quality outweigh every single other thing about a person to suggest that they be physically required to inhabit another space from someone who does not share that quality despite, in Collins' case, 13 years of professionalism without one mention of negative issues relating to that quality?

2. Would a straight male athlete feel more comfortable with Britney Griner sharing their locker room in place of Jason Collins?


Really, I invite you to think about those two questions and think about the answers you come up with and then try to compare it with the "common logic" you came up with and see how easily applicable it is.

The reality, I hope you'll find, is that this kind of logic is really flawed because you're applying very strict definitions of gay male, straight male, gay woman, and straight woman into really broad generalizations of how you think people will and should react to them not taking into account any other aspect of the individual outside of whether they prefer the D or the poon.

To me, any discomfort or awkwardness coming from an athlete regarding a shared locker room, being on the same team, whatever, is just a sign of immaturity with respect to their grasp on human attraction/sexuality.

I think this is more so a trait of men, then women (in my experience). Every guy friend I know (I've also been guilty of this) thinks that if a girl says hi to them or flashes them a smile, that that chick wants the D. It doesn't work that way. Just because a guy is gay, doesn't mean he's trying to get down with you. If that is the one and only rationale behind being uncomfortable with a gay teammate, then all I can say is grow up. I'd be more uncomfortable with Gilbert Arenas pulling guns on me than Jason Collins liking dudes.

Like Guitarsoup alluded to, the WNBA is the gayest league in sports. You never hear of these things making any real headlines or causing any real outcry like it does in the NBA.