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Bill Simmons summed up perfectly my, and many fans, feelings about this. What happens when you start a pick-up game and you've got 10 guys and everyone knows that 2 or 3 of them are clearly better than everyone else? The best 2 or 3 go on opposite teams so that the game is competitive. They take the lead, they say "ok you and me are opposite". It happens pretty naturally, because competition is what makes it fun.

What lebron, dwyane, and bosh did was the equivalent of these 2 or 3 guys choosing to be on the same team for a pick-up game. It reduces the competitive element. That was what rubbed basketball fans and former players the wrong way. Anyone who's ever played so much as a pick-up game understands this, and therefore all the backlash against the heat is a projection of the violation of this core spirit of competition inside basketball fans. What these guys did was take a shortcut to win at the expense of competition, much like if the 2 or 3 best guys in your pick-up game said we're on the same team just so they could win the game. Yes winning is the goal, but if it's done at the expense of competition, it cheapens the victory.

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Ummm, the Lakers and Celtics both did this as well.....nobody is pointing fingers at them. Not sure why the Heat get so much cr-p for it, since it's perfectly within the rules.

you clearly missed the point once again puddy, nobody said the Heat broke the rules, move on now.

"Donny, you're out of your element!"

As a rockets fan, I can definiety sympathize with the media bias against dallas. I was nonchalant about it at first, but the commentary has been so far over the top I'm proudly cheering for Dirk to get his this year

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what if lebron hadn't made a spectacle out of choosing miami? do you think fans would still have a problem with it? i do...or at least fans outside of miami would.

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I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. He wouldn't have even needed to tell them right after the season that he was leaving. Just have a simple 10 minute press conference. People in Cleveland would still hate him, but the rest of the country wouldn't be nearly as anti Miami as they have been.

I can finally answer this question. I had no idea until last night.

When the Mavs lost Game 1, I didn't care one way or the other. No emotion. When the Heat blew Game 2, I smiled.

It took two games to figure it out, but Go Mavs.

Here is my question:

Where was all this hate and malice when the Celtics went out and got KG and Ray Allen to join up with Paul Peirce and they started winning championships? KG was stuck in Minnisota in a no win situation and made a "decision" to go where he could win championships.

If you are going to hate the idea of people wanting to join together to win a championship then hate accross the board, not just went LeBron decides to do it. People can be so dumb in their prejudice and they abandon all logic and act like this is the first time in the history of the NBA that the stars have joined together to win.

Take a look back on history, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Bulls, the list goes on of the teams that have done this. Get off of your high horse, stop judging people, and just enjoy watching the games. Not one person out there would have made a different decision. Think about it, would you pass up an opportunity to work with the best most talented people in your craft simply to maintain a competitive advantage. H NO! you would join with the company that would further your career and make you more successful and in turn make the comapny more successfull.
I am wholeheartedly going for the Heat, primarily because I don't like the Mavs or Cuban, but also because I want everybody that is hating on this situation to be disappointed and silenced when they win. Talk amoungst yourselves.

"Nothing great in this world has ever been accomplished without passion."

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If you are going to hate the idea of people wanting to join together to win a championship then hate accross the board, not just went LeBron decides to do it. People can be so dumb in their prejudice and they abandon all logic and act like this is the first time in the history of the NBA that the stars have joined together to win.

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I really don't hate that they joined together. That's fine. Nothing wrong with joining other stars to win a championship. But for me it was how it was handled.

They basically colluded while they were still with other teams. Lebron put on that whole circus about his free agency when he had a pretty idea of where he was going to go. Lebron quit on his team in the playoffs because he knew he was joining Wade and Bosh where it would be easier.

The Decision was an absolute fraud. The way he put on that hour Decision for a 5 second announcement to "take his talents" was just a dewsh move.

Not to mention all the situations you listed above weren't free agent acquisitions. They were trades. Where the star being traded was happy to be traded, but he didn't have the entire authority to make it happen. LBJ, Wade, and Bosh colluded and were 100% responsible for getting together, with the Heat brass making the space for em.

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I am wholeheartedly going for the Heat, primarily because I don't like the Mavs or Cuban, but also because I want everybody that is hating on this situation to be disappointed and silenced when they win. Talk amoungst yourselves.

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You sound like someone who liked "The Decision".

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The Decision was an absolute fraud. The way he put on that hour Decision for a 5 second announcement to "take his talents" was just a dewsh move.

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nobody is arguing otherwise...not even lebron who came out, acknowledged it was a bad idea and apologized for it

I was mainly responding to TFG who thinks that all the hate comes from them getting together, and not how it went down.

I dont care about The Decision, nor do i hate LeBron. I think the introduction of the big 3 in their uniforms, with rising stage and smoke and music and screaming fans, followed by an interview where they predicted at least seven championships, was a little too over the top for me. And as of last night, I'd like to see their shot at title #1 end in failure.

Of course, I won't be upset if they win either. Oh, the joys of being a fan of a lottery team.

spurs fan here, was a rockets fan growing up in Houston but moved to San Antonio in 1989 and eventually converted.

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I didn't root for the Mavs 5 years ago, but I'm pulling for them now. With as hard/well as he's playing now, I'm rooting for Nowitzki. I'm not a big Cuban fan, but I'd rather him win one as an owner that see Lebron win one during his first year with the new team.

With all that said, I think Miami wins (unfortunately).

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+1 except the Mavs have stolen home court, so who knows?

The "decision" caused hate for Lebron. Then the ***** three claim they are going to win 7 championships together. That is why people hate them and rightly so.

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My problem with them is that it was a sham that was planned three years ago that they tried passing off as some spontaneous happening, it is trying to take a short cut to a championships whereas most champions are appreciated for the hard work that got them there, and it sets a terrible precedent in sport. (and I did hate the Boston situation which paved the way for the more obnoxious Miami situation.). It is too much of the tail wagging the dog which is a very slippery slope and potentially very dangerous for basketball.

On top of that, add in all the over the top moments surrounding it all (the Desision, the Champ celebration last July, their over the top in game celebrations, the fact that all of them sit there yelling like animals after every field goal making sure they allow time for tge photo ops, etc). It makes them one of THE EASIEST team to hate in NBA history.

I was never a MJ fan or a Kobe fan and pulled for them to lose everytime, but I never had the passionate negative feelings the Heat give. Watching them win just makes my skin crawl.

I used to hate the Mavs, mostly because of the rivalry and Cuban and Terry.

I can stomach Cuban now, he is less obnoxious. Terry I can't stand.

Dirk I have grown to like.