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Rebbasser
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Could very well be, Canyon-I honestly don't know. If I remember correctly when we first learned it in the fall of '79 Edwards was not part of the campo, but was added my pisshead year-I think.

Regardless, we know the others ARE legit.
KeepItLow
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TxAginAZ, relax. UT had three MOH recipients. Russell Steindam (Vietnam), John "Red" Morgan (WWII) and Neel Kearby (WWII).

Many people made the ultimate sacrifice during America's war times. I doubt MOH recipients would care for anyone boasting about what school they did or did not attend.

For the record, I believe Horace Carswell went to TCU and may be the name behind Carswell AFB.
PMCGUN04
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WOW, I am not even going to feed that troll a crumb of information.
PMCGUN04
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That's like saying tu isnt full of lesbos and gheys, with a spruce of the aids speinkled on the map of Texas.
PMCGUN04
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quote:

7 Medal of Honor winners and more officers than any other school except the academies. Yeah, no military history. Dumbass nutless bovine.


That my friend sounds like
"2 scoops of Hooah Hooah!!!"
HMFIC
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damn, hadnt heard that story before...
HMFIC
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Carswell went to A&M, i think a dorm is named after him.

BU has two MOH

Can anyone name how many USAFA has?









1, gives the arrogant *******s a reason to to stop blowing themselves about how great they are

A&M, we may have won our last MNC in 1939; but we are the only school to kidnap every mascot in the SWC

Dante
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I can't believe there were that many US soldiers overseas.

How many US servicemen lost their lives in WWII?
BoyNamedSue
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Estimated betweeen 550K - 600K (WWII)

Pittance besides the losses incurred by the Germans, Russians, Poles, etc. But when there are estimates thrown out that Russia lost between 20-30 MILLION of her population (both to Stalins purges, starvation, and warfare).....those are some sobering numbers!

overwater
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Why would any one care what a sip...thinks...
Ag of Enlightenment
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well, concerning the "Texas Aggies" poem i posted, i got it and the info that followed it from http://www.aggiebonfire.com/poems/texasaggies.html

as for placing pennies @ Sully's feet, i havent heard what they say on the tour, but my understanding is that yes, Sully did used to give advice to the cadets, and he would refuse to be compensated for this, so the cadets would leave him pennies on his desk. However, this is not a tradition that has been carried out the entire time.

Eat more beef: Slaughter Bevo.
Yesterday
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There are 4,000 stars on the WWII memorial in D.C. Each one represents 100 service men or women. So 400,000.

We have a history and a present regarding the Corps of Cadets. I know of several Cadets who are walking around with Presidential Unit Citations and purple hearts hanging from their Uniforms. Hardly fake soldiers if you ask me.



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CanyonAg77
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For the record, I believe Horace Carswell went to TCU and may be the name behind Carswell AFB.
Yes to both. We claim him because he started college at A&M.
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Can anyone name how many USAFA has?
I believe it is one, Lance Sijan, and there is a dorm named after him. He was one incredible, tough SOB. He was shot down, captured, and repeatedly escaped and fought back against his Viet Cong captors. Well deserved MOH.

One has to realize, though, that the USAFA has only been around since 1954, so none of their grads were old enough to be in WWII or Korea. In the same way, USMA has a boatload of recipients, especially from the Civil War. They'd have even more, except a lot of their best grads were fighting in Grey.
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as for placing pennies @ Sully's feet, i havent heard what they say on the tour, but my understanding is that yes, Sully did used to give advice to the cadets, and he would refuse to be compensated for this, so the cadets would leave him pennies on his desk.
Again, is this a story you've heard, or is this documented somewhere? Not trying to be a jerk, but there are lots of Aggie Urban Legends out there.

[This message has been edited by CanyonAg77 (edited 12/4/2006 10:32p).]
Yesterday
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does a tradition have to be documented to be a tradition? Is there a document saying that aggies must kiss their dates after each touchdown?
CanyonAg77
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Traditions don't have to be documented, they don't have to be old, they don't have to be special.

What I am asking for is documentation and verification of historical facts. The Patton quote is the main example of this. While it is a cool quote, and it may have been the type of thing Patton said, and it may have even been something he DID say.....it is unverified. And Aggies continually using it as if it were fact makes us look a little silly.

While the pennies at Sully's feet is a neat little new tradition, it makes us look silly to invent historic "facts" to back it up. My suspicion is that somebody did it for fun, someone copied it, and a tradition was born.

Sometime after that, the reason for the pennies was questioned, and rather than just saying it was what it was, the mythology of what Sully used to do was created.

A of E may well be correct, that Sully did tutor cadets, and that they did leave pennies on his desk. But I am very suspicious of this, as it is a brand new story. Ask your dad if he ever heard such a story when he was in school.

A story that none of us old farts have heard before, that "explains" a tradition that is just a couple of decades old....it has the smell of an Aggie Urban Legend: One of those stories that "everyone knows" is true, but is completely made up.

If you don't know what I mean by Urban Legend, go to http://snopes.com/ and spend some time looking around....after finals, of course.
Terk
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7 Congressional Medals of Honor Recipients

end of discussion

Zombie Jon Snow
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You know I can usually take these insults myself, but occasionally I boil over and blast back. not too long ago (prior to the tu game) my tu buddy was railing on the corps - calling it an entire organization dedicated to gayness. Well it set me off and I was not in th corps (nor am i gay -lol).

But anyway I let him have it, here is what I sent to him, I think its pretty good, use it as needed.

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In all honesty i don't appreciate this, as an aggie i take umbridge with insulting our corps of cadets when we have aggies over in Iraq and Afghanistan dying for this country - more so than any other college in the country except the military academies.

Every week on the A&M message boards it seems there is another aggie killed or seriously wounded and mentioned on there with heartfelt prayers and rememberence.

The upperclassmen you see on TV the ones on the sideline and whatnot have already signed up for 4 years of military service following college. That takes some real guts in this day. After their sophomore year (I believe) they have to either enlist or quit the corps. About 90% stay in and do their military service. Ya'll just think its a joke, but these guys are knowingly joining the armed forces, they aren't just in some ROTC fun thing until they graduate.

Perhaps you would do well to remember that as you insult a 100+ year old institution dedicated to the defense of this country and developing future military officers. I know you (and others) just think its funny to pick on them cuz they are different and an easy target but maybe you ought to step back and think about it once in a while. It might keep you from suffering foot in mouth disease so often.

I gave tu a lot of credit for the way they reacted during our bonfire tragedy, but this type of commentary continuously undermines that. mostly i just try to ignore it, occasionally i get really pissed about it - like mike leach calling us a "play army". Thats downright insulting, disrespectful and un-American.

As a contrast the Army game this year was a great example of the mutual respect. We both yelled and screamed during the game, but afterward the Aggies and Cadets stayed around and our corps went over and joined army cadets in singing of their song and they joined us for our fight song. Both were taking pictures with the corps and cadets together. It lasted quite a while after the game.

recent:
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/2815961.html

stats:
total - 43,000 A&M grads have served the US, 225 as generals, 7 have been awarded the medal of honor

starting with Spanish American war - 100 aggies fought
world war I - 2200 aggies fought, 53 killed
world war II - 20,000 (14,000 as officers) and 953 killed, rudder was a hero of d-day leading the 2nd ranger battalion up the cliffs of Point du Hoc (thats on normandy) over 2 days while being shot twice and with a casualty ratio above 50%
korea - 1900 served, 60 killed
vietnam - 3000 served, 160 killed
first gulf war - 300 aggies served, 1st attack led by Col. Walton class of 71
current war - i don't have the numbers but its well over 1000 already served

Insult our players all you want, our coaches, fans, traditions you think are silly, whatever, but you embarrass yourself when you insult the corps. While candy ass tu students were running over the border to canada to escape service in vietnam, 3000 aggies were fighting. And at tu the ROTC was a way to avoid having to go to war, while at A&M corps members were knowingly signing up to go.

I don't care if they look funny or you don't understand them, hell most aggies non corps don't understand them really, but we respect them.

That is all.

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Dave Robicheaux
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Whoop96
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The biggest irony of t.u. "We don't judge people at Texas, you can whatever you want to be."

They are as judgemental as any other group of college students I have ever met.
navy57
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ffco asked:




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do you think you changed his mind about anything?


His mind??? He ain't got no steenkin' mind.


Gig 'Em, Aggies !!
Padfoot
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A of E, please tell me this is NOT your source of info....seems to be since you quoted the exact same things as on this page:

http://www.asataiyoakitas.com/aggies.html
ShouldastayedataTm
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Long time reader, first time poster.

mchensel

Nothing personal this is a fair response just want to correct one fact. It is possible to stay in the Corps for four years and not incur military service time. In fact most of the corps members that remain for their Junior and Senior years do not sign contracts for service after graduation. I am not sure what the rate these days but it was around twenty percent when I was there in 89 and 90.

Just do not want you to get nailed in the future.

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Lukeno
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CanyonAg77
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Latest commissioning rate I've seen in print was 40% during the 2005-2006 year, printed in the The Guidon, the magazine of the Corps of Cadets Association (the cadet alumni group).

However, I understand that the count now includes folks who went through the Corps D&C, but got a commission anyway, through non-ROTC programs such as OCS or Marine PLC. That puts the rate at >50%.

Let's be proud, but let's be accurate.
navy57
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CanyonAg77 seai:


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Rebbasser: I'm afraid if you check the history, Edwards was a charlatan who couldn't tell the truth about anything, including having attended Texas A&M.


Having read the story you linked I think you're correct.

Edwards had just turned 20 when he won the two awards. He had to have enlisted or been drafted in 1917 since we had no army to speak of until we declared war in April 1917 when he was just about to turn 19.

If he ever attended school at A&M, surely there would be a record of it somewhere. Apparently there isn't.

None of this should take away from the awards he received because there has to be a lot of evidence supported by written statements from eye-witnesses to support them. *

*John Kerry's awards are a noteworthy exception to this, especially his Purple Hearts.


Gig 'Em, Aggies !!
Zombie Jon Snow
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Hey thanks for the info from those who corrected me on juniors and seniors (i thought they all were commissioned).

Did this change at some point? Admittedly I went to school a while ago, but that was my understanding at that time although I could have been wrong even then. Just wondering.





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CanyonAg77
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It's probably been more than 40 years since all qualified cadets were commissioned. The need for huge numbers of soldiers, and thus the need for a large reserve officer corps is just not there anymore.

I may be wrong, but "back in the day" almost all cadets were commissioned, but probably 75% served very short active duty tours, and quickly went into civilian life.

Today, a commission means you WILL serve a full tour of active duty, and the lines between active and reserve are blurred.


And before someone else jumps you: Enlisted folks enlist, officers are commissioned.
LSR&R Ag
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Why would any one care what a sip...thinks...
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'Nuff said...

Those most unaware are unaware they're unaware...
BigJim49 AustinNowDallas
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Canyon, 4 Ags on Doolittle raid. But I don't believe any tsips were. Correct me if I am wrong.
CanyonAg77
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Minimum of 2 teasips on the Doolittle Raid. Check my last post here:

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=753704&forum_id=49

And Dante: 16.1 million is given as the number in uniform from 1941 to 1945. Not all were in at once, and not all went overseas. The training and logistics commands based in the states were necessarily huge.



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