Says a lot when Reed is the best QB we can play. Will probably us the Arkansas playbook this week, lean heavily on the run.

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the reality is there is no fixing anything this year. you don't quit trying, but this team isn't a good team. Some of that is on the coach, some of that is on the players, and some of that is on this new NIL stuff. you aren't going to have great backups in all positions as quality of depth is determined by money and opportunity. Think back with Saban pulled Hurts for Tua. There is no way a team is going to have both those level QB's on a team in the NIL era. They are off getting paid somewhere. The best you can hope for is a player that hasn't yet got to that level and is a diamond in the rough.

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I don't disagree with you when it comes to the QB position. ESPN had good article on this last week and even referenced us specifically.

But I don't completely dismiss it as you do. Yes, each team is going to have guys leave and guys join via portal for NIL money. That won't be the majority of the team. The big bulk of what you have is what you've recruited out of HS and have year after year.

And that's my rub with Elko....where's the development? You mean to tell me with all those big OL recruits we've heard about that we have to go to the portal to replace 3 of 4 starters?

I didn't expect us to win 10 games...I thought 8 was about right with 7-9 possible. We are NOT tOSU or UGA that just reloads. But I had heard and thought that we recruited well for the last 2 years. And I believed that Elko was a good coach who could get the most out of players (i.e. Duke). The teams that are 7-12 are replacing with players they've developed and supplemented with NIL/transfer. We don't have to be top 5 or 6....we just gotta get into the playoffs....ideally not as a one hit wonder!

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Elko is shocked too at how bad Reed has been playing

he didn't plan for it

has been caught off-guard by how bad the QB is right now

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Which is kind of shocking considering his inconsistency last year. When you gamble like that, eventually you lose.

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What? He hand-selected the QB coach too. The QB is the QB coaches job. Bad QB = bad job by QB coach

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It's also quite possible that Marcel simply can't do what he's being coached to do. He has and always has had horrid throwing mechanics, and his particular problems do not tend to be fixable this far into his football career.

I mean, you can hire the absolute best baseball coach on the planet to work with me over the next year at shortstop, and I am never going to play for the New York Yankees. No matter how good that coach is, or how hard I work. I simply don't possess the ability.

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This is true. You wouldn't play for the Yankees. But unless you're an absolute mess, you'd improve in some areas. Marcel has regressed in all areas.

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Gigemags382 said:

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On Marcel Reed:

"Yeah, Marcel's our quarterback. We believe in Marcel. Nobody works harder than that kid. Is he playing to the level we need him to? No. But we've got to do a better job putting him in positions to be successful. And that's not just on Marcel. That's on me, that's on our offensive staff, that's on everybody."

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I don't think he is capable of playing at the level we need him to, and continuing to try to put that square peg into a round hole is not helping anyone or anything.

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After hearing his statement about Marcel I think Hart and the other QB's must not practice hard and really suck at being QB's. HC just made poor decisions on putting together a roster.

Edit: He also made a statement that this team isn't built for playing from behind. Why not?? Who built it?

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That's not what he said. He took complete responsibility and he said everything is on the table but that QB is a difficult change because of timing and other things. I bet he is getting Hart ready now.

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I saw o line f up, repeatedly, I saw rbs and tes not blocking, repeatedly. I saw receivers out of position and dropping balls, repeatedly. Of course we all saw reed with the worst case of yips we've had in a long ass time, make poor decisions and poor throws, repeatedly. This is what it looks like when your offense fails in all facets. changing qb cant fix this. About the only thing that will fix it is time and carefully replacing the truly broken parts next year. I think that'll include a new qb but elko has to be careful not to blow it up or he will end up here again. This is how portal+nil is manifesting a changed football landscape for the worse. A team can get really good in one year or get equally bad in one year.

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On Marcel Reed:

"Yeah, Marcel's our quarterback. We believe in Marcel. Nobody works harder than that kid. Is he playing to the level we need him to? No. But we've got to do a better job putting him in positions to be successful. And that's not just on Marcel. That's on me, that's on our offensive staff, that's on everybody."

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I don't think he is capable of playing at the level we need him to, and continuing to try to put that square peg into a round hole is not helping anyone or anything.

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After hearing his statement about Marcel I think Hart and the other QB's must not practice hard and really suck at being QB's. HC just made poor decisions on putting together a roster.

Edit: He also made a statement that this team isn't built for playing from behind. Why not?? Who built it?

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That's not what he said. He took complete responsibility and he said everything is on the table but that QB is a difficult change because of timing and other things. I bet he is getting Hart ready now.

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I saw o line f up, repeatedly, I saw rbs and tes not blocking, repeatedly. I saw receivers out of position and dropping balls, repeatedly. Of course we all saw reed with the worst case of yips we've had in a long ass time, make poor decisions and poor throws, repeatedly. This is what it looks like when your offense fails in all facets. changing qb cant fix this. About the only thing that will fix it is time and carefully replacing the truly broken parts next year. I think that'll include a new qb but elko has to be careful not to blow it up or he will end up here again. This is how portal+nil is manifesting a changed football landscape for the worse. A team can get really good in one year or get equally bad in one year.

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Changing QB can fix it if it's the result of the players giving up on said QB. Which I believe they are

I honestly want someone to ask Elko if NIL has an impact on who plays on the field on Saturdays.

I don't understand the loyalty to Reed at this point outside of the sad fact there is $3M of NIL tied to him.

He is statistically one of the worst QBs in college football this season. If we don't have any other QB on the team that can perform better than this, then this entire coaching staff has failed at the most important position on the field.

This is nothing against Reed personally. I think he's a tremendous young man and a great representative of Texas A&M. But he does not deserve to be on the field anymore this season, period.

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What? He hand-selected the QB coach too. The QB is the QB coaches job. Bad QB = bad job by QB coach

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It's also quite possible that Marcel simply can't do what he's being coached to do. He has and always has had horrid throwing mechanics, and his particular problems do not tend to be fixable this far into his football career.

I mean, you can hire the absolute best baseball coach on the planet to work with me over the next year at shortstop, and I am never going to play for the New York Yankees. No matter how good that coach is, or how hard I work. I simply don't possess the ability.

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This is true. You wouldn't play for the Yankees. But unless you're an absolute mess, you'd improve in some areas. Marcel has regressed in all areas.

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The inaccuracy and the mechanical problems have always been there.

I think the regression is pretty much all due to the gray matter between his ears.

Kind of like John Rocker.

Some people respond to pressure very well, and others just spin out of control.

I'm not sure there's anything a coach can do about that.

That said, the coach doesn't seem to have accomplished much.

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I honestly want someone to ask Elko if NIL has an impact on who plays on the field on Saturdays.

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How can it not have an impact on playing times?

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I honestly want someone to ask Elko if NIL has an impact on who plays on the field on Saturdays.

I don't understand the loyalty to Reed at this point outside of the sad fact there is $3M of NIL tied to him.

He is statistically one of the worst QBs in college football this season. If we don't have any other QB on the team that can perform better than this, then this entire coaching staff has failed at the most important position on the field.

This is nothing against Reed personally. I think he's a tremendous young man and a great representative of Texas A&M. But he does not deserve to be on the field anymore this season, period.

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The cynic in me believes BMAs have their grubby little paws where they don't belong. The realist in me says Reed is our best option based on what's shown in practice. We just didn't plan for him to be absolute crap this season and now we're stuck paying for it.

Bingo! We now have someone who has hit the nail on the head. If we are honest Ags and our code requires it; timeline shows Elko hire, shortly after we get a TV talking head in Trev, then our loyal fan world starts falling apart. Let's be real, Marcel has been our issue for the last 2+ years and his putrid play has us where we are now. And to boot, our HC thinks he can just take it all for the team and be the fall guy. College football's environment is eating this program alive because we are in the right and honorable fans because of how we were raised and what we learned from this University's tradition and values. This is simply not meeting our expectations and what this University's values and history deserve. As usual, it will take us to make it right again. I just wish I had enough disposable income to make it so.

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What? He hand-selected the QB coach too. The QB is the QB coaches job. Bad QB = bad job by QB coach

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It's also quite possible that Marcel simply can't do what he's being coached to do. He has and always has had horrid throwing mechanics, and his particular problems do not tend to be fixable this far into his football career.

I mean, you can hire the absolute best baseball coach on the planet to work with me over the next year at shortstop, and I am never going to play for the New York Yankees. No matter how good that coach is, or how hard I work. I simply don't possess the ability.

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This is true. You wouldn't play for the Yankees. But unless you're an absolute mess, you'd improve in some areas. Marcel has regressed in all areas.

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The inaccuracy and the mechanical problems have always been there.

I think the regression is pretty much all due to the gray matter between his ears.

Kind of like John Rocker.

Some people respond to pressure very well, and others just spin out of control.

I'm not sure there's anything a coach can do about that.

That said, the coach doesn't seem to have accomplished much.

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There's got to be something he has confidence in. We gotta find it

This may have been posted elsewhere, but here is an outside take on the cesspool controversy:

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Posted this from ChatGPT on the earlier press conference thread. Tracking so far!

"Yeah, listen, obviously Saturday was not up to the standard of Texas A&M football. And ultimately that falls on me. I'm the head football coach. I own it. Nobody in this building is happy with where we are right now. But the reality is, we can't sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. We've got to get back to work, attack the issues, and find ways to get better. There's no magic formula to fixing this. It's a process."

On his comments about TexAgs:

"Yeah, listen, I think what I said got taken a little bit out of context. I have tremendous respect for the 12th Man. I think anybody who knows me knows how much appreciation I have for this fan base. But there's a difference between people who genuinely care about this program and the outside noise that doesn't understand what's actually happening inside this building. And I'm not going to apologize for protecting our players from that. Could I have expressed it differently? Sure. But my focus is on the guys in that locker room."

On Marcel Reed:

"Yeah, Marcel's our quarterback. We believe in Marcel. Nobody works harder than that kid. Is he playing to the level we need him to? No. But we've got to do a better job putting him in positions to be successful. And that's not just on Marcel. That's on me, that's on our offensive staff, that's on everybody."

On whether changes are coming:

"Yeah, we're evaluating everything. Every position, every coach, every scheme. That's what you do when things aren't going the way you want. But I think people on the outside sometimes think you just flip a switch and everything gets fixed overnight. That's not how you build a program. We've got to trust our process, stay committed to what we believe in, and continue to develop the guys we have."

On what fans should expect against The Citadel:

"Yeah, listen, The Citadel is a very well-coached football team. They play extremely hard. If we don't show up ready to play, they'll expose us. We're not in a position to overlook anybody right now."

Closing statement:

"Nobody's expectations for this program are higher than mine. Nobody. But we're going to build this thing the right way, and I'm not going to let outside noise dictate how we go about doing that."

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All those words to say absolutely nothing

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bro regrets "the way it was taken"

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The classic "I'm sorry to anyone who was offended" apology after saying something that anybody with ears would find offensive.

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like I said, nothing will be accepted by the cesspool.


Elko literally said he regretted the way he expressed it. ChatGPT condensed it and left that part out.

SMH

"Im glad he made the cesspool comment. "

I think the team will rally behind the comment and at least be more focused.

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bro regrets "the way it was taken"

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The classic "I'm sorry to anyone who was offended" apology after saying something that anybody with ears would find offensive.

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like I said, nothing will be accepted by the cesspool.


Elko literally said he regretted the way he expressed it. ChatGPT condensed it and left that part out.

SMH

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Remember when you said Elko didnt read texags and got all aggressive with it?

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bro regrets "the way it was taken"

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The classic "I'm sorry to anyone who was offended" apology after saying something that anybody with ears would find offensive.

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like I said, nothing will be accepted by the cesspool.


Elko literally said he regretted the way he expressed it. ChatGPT condensed it and left that part out.

SMH

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Remember when you said Elko didnt read texags and got all aggressive with it?

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look here, got somebody who got their feewings hurt!

LMAO! It's ok Blondie, everyting will be ooookkkkk.

If I said that, may be I was wrong. Still don't know that he reads TexAgs message board, but maybe he does.


But, since you bring it up, it does give me some joy knowing that it stuck in your craw for days. LMAO!!!!



But, that has to do with you cesspoolers not accepting anything he would say......how????

Oh, that's right, it doesn't. Classic BS.

Apparently you are part of the cesspool Elko is speaking to when he says he would debate anyone because we don't know ball like he does. Clearly any football guru can see that every game they have overhauled the offense weekly game to game. Didn't you hear his presser????? I mean clearly it's not the same play calls throwing quick rpos to the flat that skip to the receiver. Clearly we aren't running the ball up the teeth of the defense every run play. Clearly we aren't running any pre snap misdirection that results in the TE just shifting to the strong side of the field. lol clearly we've tried to change up our QB to look for a spark. Clearly you like the rest of us just don't know ball. Welcome to the deep end of the pool, grab a floatie or the nearest piece of s*** and hang on for dear life!

I find it comical that Elko is perplexed as to why the team can perform so well during fall camp and during practice, but then suck during the game.

IT'S BECAUSE BOTH UNITS OF YOUR TEAM SUCK ELKO

I thought he was the smartest man in the room.

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I find it comical that Elko is perplexed as to why the team can perform so well during fall camp and during practice, but then suck during the game.

IT'S BECAUSE BOTH UNITS OF YOUR TEAM SUCK ELKO

I thought he was the smartest man in the room.

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When did he say he was the smartest man in the room?

When he was in a room with you?

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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Yes im sure they would do the same exact job if they were only paid $300k. Please. They do it for the money. Now he will say this failure isnt his fault it was the big money donors who controlled his roster. It was an atmosphere that was negative. He will point the blame for why he failed.

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"Yeah, listen, The Citadel is a very well-coached football team. They play extremely hard. If we don't show up ready to play, they'll expose us. We're not in a position to overlook anybody right now."

Year 3

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Just to make sure I understand your statement that you're afraid the Citadel will expose us? Have you watched our games yet? We've been so exposed we should be charged with indecency on the field!

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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Terrible analogy. It someone was throwing rocks at my baby, I'd jump in and do something about it. My response would be the proof that I care.

Elko has observed all of this teams poor performance, and has done NOTHING to change it. His lack of response is proof that he doesn't care.

If our backup QB's truly suck, and Marcel is our best option... There are still things he could do to try and help the situation. But he hasn't even tried to change a thing.

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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You are either not watching these things or have already formed an opinion that you won't let go of. I think he cares a lot. Caring about something and being able to fix it are two different things. Hopefully we see progress or at least glimpses of building blocks for next year.

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You think he cares? I can think I'm a billionaire, but that doesn't make it true.

If he truly cared about this team and it's performance, it would show itself in his actions. He may not be able to fix it but he would at least be trying. What has he done that shows you he cares enough to fix things?

I'm not a football coach, but I can think of at least 3 things he could try, that despite having a very low probability of succeeding, would at least give this team a chance at improving. He hasn't done anything.

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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Yes im sure they would do the same exact job if they were only paid $300k. Please. They do it for the money. Now he will say this failure isnt his fault it was the big money donors who controlled his roster. It was an atmosphere that was negative. He will point the blame for why he failed.

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He would never have accepted the job for $300k. No one would because the price for that position has been set by the market and its much more than that.

You guys need to decide what you want to argue. On the one hand, he's getting way too much money and that has demotivated him. On the other, if he got a pay cut, he would also be demotivated.

Dude was already making $7 million per year before the raise. If fired without cause, he would have gotten 75% of that for the remaining contract life. So if fired after year 3, he would have gotten $15 million! I consider that to be rich! So it took a few more million to demotivate him?! Absurd!

Why aren't the other coaches making that much guaranteed money also demotivated? Why is it just Elko?

The "money has demotivated him" argument is just flat out stupid.

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DavidAg02 said:

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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Terrible analogy. It someone was throwing rocks at my baby, I'd jump in and do something about it. My response would be the proof that I care.

Elko has observed all of this teams poor performance, and has done NOTHING to change it. His lack of response is proof that he doesn't care.

If our backup QB's truly suck, and Marcel is our best option... There are still things he could do to try and help the situation. But he hasn't even tried to change a thing.

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Just because he hasn't done what you want him to do doesn't mean he's done nothing!

Your money argument is dumb.

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Logos Stick said:

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That's an incredibly generous opinion. I think he doesn't care... He's rich if he wins, he's rich if he loses.

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If your baby was on display every week and people were throwing rocks at it and calling it ugly, you'd care. This team is his baby, its a reflection of him!

These coaches care. They are proud. They don't want to lose. Their salary is not what motivates them one way or the other.

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Terrible analogy. It someone was throwing rocks at my baby, I'd jump in and do something about it. My response would be the proof that I care.

Elko has observed all of this teams poor performance, and has done NOTHING to change it. His lack of response is proof that he doesn't care.

If our backup QB's truly suck, and Marcel is our best option... There are still things he could do to try and help the situation. But he hasn't even tried to change a thing.

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Just because he hasn't done what you want him to do doesn't mean he's done nothing!

Your money argument is dumb.

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Yeah this idea that they're just tanking the season because they don't care and so they get a big payday is ridiculous. It's probably what the people spewing that idea would do.