pasquale said:

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Reed has beat lsu twice
Give me a qb that can beat the sips and that who I want

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Reed also looked turrrible in 2 out of our 3 'hard' games this year.

pfo said:

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As far as Reed goes, once LeVeon Moss went down, Reed had to try and become our leading rusher and leading passer. Reed's scrambling was our only effective running play against Texas and Miami plus he was expected to hit his passes. And for those that weren't there, the wind at Kyle for the Miami game was pretty ferocious. I've never seen the uprights in Kyle Field rock all game like that before. There was a reason the Miami kicker missed 3 field goals. Also, Carson Beck didn't light it up either in that wind. On Miami's TD drive he handed the ball off and they drove it down our throats after Regis went out. But Beck didn't do anything but hand the ball off on that drive. Also A&M outgained Miami. Obviously the turnovers killed us but Reed didn't have the option of handing the ball off to a running game that could carry the load. It was all on his shoulders.

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I disagree. Our RBs and Concepcion were averaging 3.1 ypc. It's not great, but you can get first downs that way AND keep their DL from teeing off. You also wear down the defense this way. You give your OL a chance to get in a groove and see if you can pop a big run. The idea that we couldn't run without Moss just isn't true. EJ was averaging just under 5 ypc and Owens a little over 5. But Klein got addicted to the big play and wasn't patient enough to let these guys go to work. Defensive coordinators caught on and made Marcel beat a 7-8 man zone, which he is currently not capable of.

NoahAg said:

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Weigman and King > Reed

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Says the moron who predicted 5-7.

depogs said:

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They both had their opportunities here and were absolutely trash.
Maybe we stop blaming the QBs and start demanding development from our coaches .

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Exactly this. Think about the number of Aggie QBs who never seemed to get better than their first year as a starter...many regressed.

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depogs said:

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They both had their opportunities here and were absolutely trash.
Maybe we stop blaming the QBs and start demanding development from our coaches .

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Exactly this. Think about the number of Aggie QBs who never seemed to get better than their first year as a starter...many regressed.

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The magic of Jimbo. The fact that Reed didn't regress this year is the first time we've seen a QB do that since Mond.

Reno Hightower said:

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Wiegman was on target tonight and got the W over lsu. A well earned win for Conner.

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a 7-5 LSU team with 12 starters out and no HC.

Plus Coog High never played a Top ranked opponent and that did not work out very well. Avg qb1 playing in a JV Conference.

IDK which QB would have been better...


but I know Klien was good when he was winning and than he started sucking massively
IDK why he started so bad against SC, ut and bad Miami games


Elko should have ceremoniously fired him at the end of Miami game

OKC~Ag said:

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IDK which QB would have been better...


but I know Klien was good when he was winning and than he started sucking massively
IDK why he started so bad against SC, ut and bad Miami games


Elko should have ceremoniously fired him at the end of Miami game

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Hmm.. what changed in Klein life around that time that led him to focusing less on game preparation and creative schemes against flawed opponents?

Hmmmm

I think The Banned has the most plausible working theory here. Hopefully Wiggins doesn't have this same blind spot.

Reed is better than Connor. I'm glad Connor had a good game against lsu but let's not pretend like he faced the same LSU team that Marcel did in late October.

Death Valley at night, full coaching staff in tact, and no opt outs is what Marcel faced. Weigman faced a defense full of opt outs (which included a starting Jardin Gilbert at safety and we all know how bad he is), a bandaged up coaching staff that already has one foot out the door, and in the city that his team plays in.

We literally watched the Reed vs Weigman movie play out last season. Elko made the choice to go with Reed and he knows more than any of us do.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Leave it to the dumbest board on texags to prop up their former hero who couldn't complete a pass against ND and is playing against a team of backups in a meaningless bowl.

Conner was benched THIS season. If their backup was even half decent, he'd be transferring again. He was garbage most of the year and struggled to score on.. checks notes.. Oregon State.

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He scored 36 touchdowns this year. Most in the Big 12. On a team with a projected record of 5-7. Outside of koziol and Thomas the WR that's a very undertalented Houston team

The "benched this season" didn't happen once lmfao

I have absolutely no idea where some of you wackos get your info

We are still playing with Conner or King

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Are you sure we even get to the playoffs with either of them? They both completely pooped games against Pittsburgh, West Virginia, TCU, and NCST, but would have had us in the playoffs beating Miami?

I don't think either Connor or Haynes would have put up 41 in south bend. So I don't think we are in the playoffs with either of them.

Haynes is probably the best this year of the 3 quarterbacks but he's also 24 years old and in year 6 of playing college football. So it's unfair to compare him to year 3 Reed who was in his first full year as a starter

Zachary Klement said:

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AggieCrew44 said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Leave it to the dumbest board on texags to prop up their former hero who couldn't complete a pass against ND and is playing against a team of backups in a meaningless bowl.

Conner was benched THIS season. If their backup was even half decent, he'd be transferring again. He was garbage most of the year and struggled to score on.. checks notes.. Oregon State.

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He scored 36 touchdowns this year. Most in the Big 12. On a team with a projected record of 5-7. Outside of koziol and Thomas the WR that's a very undertalented Houston team

The "benched this season" didn't happen once lmfao

I have absolutely no idea where some of you wackos get your info

We are still playing with Conner or King

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Are you sure we even get to the playoffs with either of them? They both completely pooped games against Pittsburgh, West Virginia, TCU, and NCST, but would have had us in the playoffs beating Miami?

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Yes.

They would be playing with A&M talent around them. Not Houston and GT talent

I'll never understand treating specific wins/losses like it's a QB thing. They can be the primary reason sure but that is rarely the case, especially when one team isn't very talented

I just think it's so funny that from games 1-11 everybody was so happy with Marcel, hoping he gets to New York, and nobody was worrying about what Weigman was doing.

Marcel loses two games and all of a sudden we want our ex back who was bad last year in each start he made except Missouri (who 100% prepared for Marcel) and won a bowl game against a 7-5 LSU team without its head coach, and top defensive players on a neutral site (defacto home game from UH about 5 miles from their campus)

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Reed is better than Connor. I'm glad Connor had a good game against lsu but let's not pretend like he faced the same LSU team that Marcel did in late October.

Death Valley at night, full coaching staff in tact, and no opt outs is what Marcel faced. Weigman faced a defense full of opt outs (which included a starting Jardin Gilbert at safety and we all know how bad he is), a bandaged up coaching staff that already has one foot out the door, and in the city that his team plays in.

We literally watched the Reed vs Weigman movie play out last season. Elko made the choice to go with Reed and he knows more than any of us do.

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Last season is irrelevant at this point, especially knowing one of them was injured. That's kinda the whole point of the discussion

Do we think Haynes is the same player from when he was here? Of course not. Players get better. This is a fluid thing

It's fine to disagree. I just think we'd still be playing. Both those guys played very well this year on not very talented teams

AggieCrew44 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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AggieCrew44 said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Leave it to the dumbest board on texags to prop up their former hero who couldn't complete a pass against ND and is playing against a team of backups in a meaningless bowl.

Conner was benched THIS season. If their backup was even half decent, he'd be transferring again. He was garbage most of the year and struggled to score on.. checks notes.. Oregon State.

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He scored 36 touchdowns this year. Most in the Big 12. On a team with a projected record of 5-7. Outside of koziol and Thomas the WR that's a very undertalented Houston team

The "benched this season" didn't happen once lmfao

I have absolutely no idea where some of you wackos get your info

We are still playing with Conner or King

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Are you sure we even get to the playoffs with either of them? They both completely pooped games against Pittsburgh, West Virginia, TCU, and NCST, but would have had us in the playoffs beating Miami?

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Yes.

They would be playing with A&M talent around them. Not Houston and GT talent

I'll never understand treating specific wins/losses like it's a QB thing. They can be the primary reason sure but that is rarely the case, especially when one team isn't very talented

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Weigman had A&M talent around him last year and played pretty poorly. I know that there is talk of injuries, but I don't get how he goes from looking phenomenal against Mizzou and then completing a third of his passes against LSU a couple weeks later.

Losses can be treated as a QB thing when you have multiple turnovers, like Reed did against Miami, King did against Pitt, and Weigman did against West Virginia. It is not like Pittsburgh or West Virginia have significant talent edges over Houston or GT.

AggieCrew44 said:

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tjack16 said:

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Reed is better than Connor. I'm glad Connor had a good game against lsu but let's not pretend like he faced the same LSU team that Marcel did in late October.

Death Valley at night, full coaching staff in tact, and no opt outs is what Marcel faced. Weigman faced a defense full of opt outs (which included a starting Jardin Gilbert at safety and we all know how bad he is), a bandaged up coaching staff that already has one foot out the door, and in the city that his team plays in.

We literally watched the Reed vs Weigman movie play out last season. Elko made the choice to go with Reed and he knows more than any of us do.

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Last season is irrelevant at this point, especially knowing one of them was injured. That's kinda the whole point of the discussion

Do we think Haynes is the same player from when he was here? Of course not. Players get better. This is a fluid thing

It's fine to disagree. I just think we'd still be playing. Both those guys played very well this year on not very talented teams

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With 2025 Haynes I think we could still be playing. But like I said he's in year 6 of college… Marcel is in year 3 and starting for his first full season. So it's not a fair comparison.

Connor doesn't get us to 11-1 based on what we saw this year at UH. He would have lost in south bend and Austin. We'd be 10-2 at best with Connor and as we saw this year, we'd probably be out of the CFP with that record and our schedule

Zachary Klement said:

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AggieCrew44 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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AggieCrew44 said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Leave it to the dumbest board on texags to prop up their former hero who couldn't complete a pass against ND and is playing against a team of backups in a meaningless bowl.

Conner was benched THIS season. If their backup was even half decent, he'd be transferring again. He was garbage most of the year and struggled to score on.. checks notes.. Oregon State.

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He scored 36 touchdowns this year. Most in the Big 12. On a team with a projected record of 5-7. Outside of koziol and Thomas the WR that's a very undertalented Houston team

The "benched this season" didn't happen once lmfao

I have absolutely no idea where some of you wackos get your info

We are still playing with Conner or King

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Are you sure we even get to the playoffs with either of them? They both completely pooped games against Pittsburgh, West Virginia, TCU, and NCST, but would have had us in the playoffs beating Miami?

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Yes.

They would be playing with A&M talent around them. Not Houston and GT talent

I'll never understand treating specific wins/losses like it's a QB thing. They can be the primary reason sure but that is rarely the case, especially when one team isn't very talented

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Weigman had A&M talent around him last year and played pretty poorly. I know that there is talk of injuries, but I don't get how he goes from looking phenomenal against Mizzou and then completing a third of his passes against LSU a couple weeks later.

Losses can be treated as a QB thing when you have multiple turnovers, like Reed did against Miami, King did against Pitt, and Weigman did against West Virginia. It is not like Pittsburgh or West Virginia have significant talent edges over Houston or GT.

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He looked that way because our team as a whole got overwhelmed. Same as the ND game. Last years offensive group was very limited. Reed was the correct decision last year as his legs kept us afloat against better defenses. Conner wasn't good last year. No one is denying that

I'm not sure that's the case with the WRs we had this year. The oline was also awesome in pass pro

Haynes > Reed > Weigman

That would be my order in 2025. But I like Reed's upside more than the others

Although I don't blame Haynes or Connor for leaving or hold any ill will towards them.. it was what was best for them. I just am choosing to not be happy with the QB who stayed loyal to us (could have easily transferred after 2023) and lead us to our 2nd 11 win season since the turn of the century.

Wouldn't be shocked to hear in a random podcast in a year that Reed had some kind of shoulder/arm thing nagging him the 2nd half of the year, he was inaccurate on not just deep balls but some routine screens that would sail or make the receiver waste a step gathering the ball. Way too many 2nd and 11s due to nothing but execution from Reed wasting a play.

I feel like we are living the Mond post 2020 season again. A couple of highlight games and a ton of mediocre performances. I am not looking forward to the 2026 season.