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Agree, now the bar for me is consistently hitting 10+ win seasons which should translate to the playoffs.

While the ending was bad, this season was a success. Now it's about hitting this level every year.

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Agree 100%. If we can't look at the schedule every year and identify 10 wins, then something is wrong and we need to change it to get there. I'm not jumping up in town about going 11-0 because that's what I expected after the amount of $$$$ we've thrown at players.

I know. I'm just trying to get over BAS. Either we expect to win 10/11 games a season or we don't.

I don't want to be a "good loser"

Farmer_J said:

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This cop-out of we were only picked to go 8-4 in the preseason needs to stop.

WRONG! We just fired a coach and paid him $77,000,000 for going 8-4. And fired the coach before him. We all agreed that 8-4 is unacceptable with our resources. The expectation is that we win the conference and make it to the playoffs. And most importantly beat texas.

This is where the bar is set. If we don't meet it, then we have failed. We don't get to lower the bar and then pat ourselves on the back.

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But what does anyone do about it? Fran was a huge hire at the time. Sherman coached the Packers and did pretty good there - divisional titles. Sumlin was the up and comer on fire. Rc was great but couldn't elevate with the resources we had at the time. Jimbo was a massive hire and disappointed. So we have had the variety pack and not panned out to a natty. RC is the only one of those with even a conf title at A&M. So I dunno what is left to try but giving Elko time to see how we can take more steps and possibly get us there.

Farmer_J said:

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This cop-out of we were only picked to go 8-4 in the preseason needs to stop.

WRONG! We just fired a coach and paid him $77,000,000 for going 8-4. And fired the coach before him. We all agreed that 8-4 is unacceptable with our resources. The expectation is that we win the conference and make it to the playoffs. And most importantly beat texas.

This is where the bar is set. If we don't meet it, then we have failed. We don't get to lower the bar and then pat ourselves on the back.

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Nobody on here predicted 11-1 and a playoff berth. Nobody is happy with yesterday, but to act like the expectation was to win the conference this year is Monday morning quarterbacking. We beat Auburn, Florida, LSU, and Missouri when they had 2 or less losses and everything to play for. Their seasons ended and coaches fired because they lost to us. We went undefeated on the road until the last game. We won a big time road non-conference game against a blue blood. We won in Death Valley in convincing fashion and forced them to set off a nuclear bomb on their program. We got a lot of monkeys off our back this year and did a lot of things 99% of A&M teams would never have done.

But, we failed to beat a Texas team we should have. And we looked bad in a playoff game (and still barely lost).

Last year, Elko said we would focus on an explosive passing game and finishing. We accomplished both. And yes, making the playoffs when last year we failed to is considered accomplishing that goal. We then failed to get even a single inch farther than that goal.

Next years expectations will not be to make the playoff. It will be to win the conference, beat the sips in doing so, and to make a deep playoff run. That's the trajectory. Anything short of that will be considered sideways or negative progress. But ultimately, just like in every other sport, as long as you get to the playoffs, you have a chance to make a run. Elko has us in better position than probably 10-12 of the other SEC teams to be a consistent player on the big stage.

Next years team needs to not only get to this point, but it needs to look stronger at this point than it did in the middle of the season.

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Farmer_J said:

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This cop-out of we were only picked to go 8-4 in the preseason needs to stop.

WRONG! We just fired a coach and paid him $77,000,000 for going 8-4. And fired the coach before him. We all agreed that 8-4 is unacceptable with our resources. The expectation is that we win the conference and make it to the playoffs. And most importantly beat texas.

This is where the bar is set. If we don't meet it, then we have failed. We don't get to lower the bar and then pat ourselves on the back.

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It's what we do man. I mean honestly do you remember the last time we won a truly meaningful game?

I do and it was like 30 years ago. This is a special place but something is wrong. Administration or something. Elko isn't elite. He's who a lot of us thought he was. He benefited from the schedule that's it. To his credit he won the games he should have, nothing more. He's not gonna beat the truly elite teams. I didn't expect a natty but also didn't think a decent Miami team that many felt shouldn't have even made the playoffs would physically dominate us in our own stadium. It's embarrassing

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Please stop using "us" when your posting history makes clear that you're an LSU troll. We crushed your team in Death Valley this year, so I'd stop chirping.

It's nice to know, as Tehc showed us, that we can get into the playoffs with a 10-2 season

We fired Jimbo for going 6-6. If he was 8-4 he's probably still our coach. He also lost to app state at home

If I have to choose between my football team winning games and this school becoming just like every other school, or worse then I hope we never win another game. Im a proud fighting Texas Aggie first and foremost, and a very distant number 2 I'm a football fan.

Not that how I behave, or we collectively behave actually has any bearing on how the team plays.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes, most outside observers were predicting 8-4.

So Imagine, if everyone at your place of work agreed on some aggressive but attainable goal going into the year (10-2, make the playoffs). By November, you had already met and exceeded your goal for the year. When Your boss sees that, he changes your goal to 120% of the original goal (win the natty). You come up short, and you don't get your Christmas bonus because you failed to meet the last-second recalibration of expectations. Some people are actually talking about how it's not good enough, and you should probably be fired because surely there is one special person out there who could have gotten the job done

Your boss should be fired for setting "mediocrity" as a goal. This season's final analysis shows that we basically cooked the books to make our performance look better.

We write the Aggie football jokes for the rest of the world and then wonder why no one takes us seriously. It's a mentality that must change.

This season was a bust. I don't care if we made the playoffs, whooopeeee. We **** the bed and didn't even score a TD at home and it wasn't because Miami was some defensive juggernaut, it was because of an inept coaching staff.

It sucks, but we are now gauged on winning Championships. Just making the playoffs means nothing. Win it all or the season was a failure. That's the mentality the Alabamas, the Georgias, the Ohio States of the world have and it's time for a complete 180 with Aggie Football.

Roman Empire said:

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Your boss should be fired for setting "mediocrity" as a goal. This season's final analysis shows that we basically cooked the books to make our performance look better.

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Please show where your expectation was undefeated and making the playoff.

ahpetty33 said:

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Yes, most outside observers were predicting 8-4.

So Imagine, if everyone at your place of work agreed on some aggressive but attainable goal going into the year (10-2, make the playoffs). By November, you had already met and exceeded your goal for the year. When Your boss sees that, he changes your goal to 120% of the original goal (win the natty). You come up short, and you don't get your Christmas bonus because you failed to meet the last-second recalibration of expectations. Some people are actually talking about how it's not good enough, and you should probably be fired because surely there is one special person out there who could have gotten the job done

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This makes no sense. We didn't fire Jimbo to go 8- 4 Elko wasn't hired to go 8-4. The expectation was to win the conference and make the playoffs. If we don't think we can get 10 wins, then something is wrong with recruiting or the coaching. In your analogy, you're a mediocre employee that's afraid of high expectations.

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EricHill said:

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Farmer_J said:

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This cop-out of we were only picked to go 8-4 in the preseason needs to stop.

WRONG! We just fired a coach and paid him $77,000,000 for going 8-4. And fired the coach before him. We all agreed that 8-4 is unacceptable with our resources. The expectation is that we win the conference and make it to the playoffs. And most importantly beat texas.

This is where the bar is set. If we don't meet it, then we have failed. We don't get to lower the bar and then pat ourselves on the back.

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It's what we do man. I mean honestly do you remember the last time we won a truly meaningful game?

I do and it was like 30 years ago. This is a special place but something is wrong. Administration or something. Elko isn't elite. He's who a lot of us thought he was. He benefited from the schedule that's it. To his credit he won the games he should have, nothing more. He's not gonna beat the truly elite teams. I didn't expect a natty but also didn't think a decent Miami team that many felt shouldn't have even made the playoffs would physically dominate us in our own stadium. It's embarrassing

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No, this view is the problem. We go around and like to talk about how great A&M is, how polite we are, what great fans we are, what a great stadium Kyle Field is, and on and on and on. It is a systemic culture that is our problem. We keep doing the same things over and over thinking if we avoid this one little misstep that all will be right. Yet every 5 years or so, we change the coach because WE won't change what needs to be changed - we are afraid to.

Our SID keeps putting out stupid talking points that mean zero,,,, maroon goons, best defense on 3rd down, and on and on. Heck, folks were hyping #10 for Heisman and chanting his name in the stands (Marcel Reed, clap clap clap, Marcel Reed clap clap clap).

We are soft and too nice. **** us. We seriously need to change our whole outlook to being more like "if you aren't 1st, you're the 1st place loser, you're last." My gosh, we have changed coaches, boosters, stadiums, facilities, athletic conferences, players, AD's, you name it!!!! The undeserved hero worship & adulation paired with an attitude that the players and staff are above criticism is bull**** (they are very handsomely paid and amateur left the building a long time ago).

A&M athletics is the very definition of insanity. Until we demand more and vote with our feet and wallets, the results will not change. But alas, we keep filling up Kyle Field and donating our money. We call naysayers who want more 2%ers and bad Ags. Every coach we've hired talks about changing the culture. To paraphrase Jimbo, "it aint like it used to be." Yeah, it is. Maybe we need to change our culture as fans and say we ain't supporting this **** any longer.

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The fact that we extended Elko before he won jack **** shows that we have learned nothing.

Bibbyyyyy said:

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Any reasonable person understands it takes time to build a program. Ask Sark who went 7-5 with Texas NIL $$$ in year 2.

The expectation before the season absolutely was 8-4 which is why 11-1 is so impressive. Elko was deservingly in coach of the year conversations for how much the team exceeded expectations.

******* Georgia, with all their resources and National Championship seasons and top 3 recruiting classes, went 10-2 and lost in the first round last year. If you can't call this a successful season in year 2 and celebrate that, you need to find a new hobby because you will never be happy here.

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The sips only extended Sark once he won something.

The problem is we went 11-1 and some of you guys are falling over yourselves to tell everyone this season was *****

We're not here arguing "9-3 is progress" or "10-2 is amazing".

We went freaking 11-1 and you guys are just pissed that everyone isn't pissed off and demanding we fire everybody.

HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Bibbyyyyy said:

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Any reasonable person understands it takes time to build a program. Ask Sark who went 7-5 with Texas NIL $$$ in year 2.

The expectation before the season absolutely was 8-4 which is why 11-1 is so impressive. Elko was deservingly in coach of the year conversations for how much the team exceeded expectations.

******* Georgia, with all their resources and National Championship seasons and top 3 recruiting classes, went 10-2 and lost in the first round last year. If you can't call this a successful season in year 2 and celebrate that, you need to find a new hobby because you will never be happy here.

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The sips only extended Sark once he won something.

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Extend Elko.
Have him go to PSU and replace him.

Those were the options on the table.

Some of you want to live in a hypothetical world where we can not extend him and keep him from taking a bigger gig. That world did not exist.

I don't get why so many of you care about the extension. 99.99999% of this board will never be financially impacted by it.

Unless you'er one of those people that thinks you care more than Elko now that he got paid, I honestly don't know what difference it makes

No. Most importantly make the playoffs.

That said, because of the timing of the Texas game, the Ags will almost always have to win that game to go.

Also, sure glad Texas and OU never play a home and away and play at a time they can lose the game and still win enough to climb back in the rankings. That's cool.

And we just extended a coach who hasn't won anything of note, who immediately coached a miracle win chokefest against USC, choked against sip (again), and coached us into a 3 point one and done in the playoffs.

TexAgs91 said:

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It's nice to know, as Tehc showed us, that we can get into the playoffs with a 10-2 season

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Tech might have done it. They will never let us in with 2 losses. Book it.

JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

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HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Bibbyyyyy said:

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Any reasonable person understands it takes time to build a program. Ask Sark who went 7-5 with Texas NIL $$$ in year 2.

The expectation before the season absolutely was 8-4 which is why 11-1 is so impressive. Elko was deservingly in coach of the year conversations for how much the team exceeded expectations.

******* Georgia, with all their resources and National Championship seasons and top 3 recruiting classes, went 10-2 and lost in the first round last year. If you can't call this a successful season in year 2 and celebrate that, you need to find a new hobby because you will never be happy here.

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The sips only extended Sark once he won something.

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Extend Elko.
Have him go to PSU and replace him.

Those were the options on the table.

Some of you want to live in a hypothetical world where we can not extend him and keep him from taking a bigger gig. That world did not exist.

I don't get why so many of you care about the extension. 99.99999% of this board will never be financially impacted by it.

Unless you'er one of those people that thinks you care more than Elko now that he got paid, I honestly don't know what difference it makes

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Will elko have the same resources at psu? Let them sign him to a monstrous contract and watch him semi retire like every other coach with a big guaranteed contract.

What did Sark win??

An SEC championship??
A Natty??

Trying to figure out what he actually won….

Aggie1615 said:

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What did Sark win??

An SEC championship??
A Natty??

Trying to figure out what he actually won….

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A team that finished the season stronger than they started it. Momentum in the offseason in recruiting and hope for the fanbase next year.

So he hasn't actually "won" anything more than Elko - correct?

Got it!

Hopefully you're simply feigning stupidity

agdoc2001 said:

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Hopefully you're simply feigning stupidity

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Answer the question.

I'm waiting for you to tell me what Sark has "won".
Ok, he's beaten us twice - he has the Lone Star Showdown trophy!
Anything else?

It should be an easy answer if I'm the stupid one.

JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

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HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Bibbyyyyy said:

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Any reasonable person understands it takes time to build a program. Ask Sark who went 7-5 with Texas NIL $$$ in year 2.

The expectation before the season absolutely was 8-4 which is why 11-1 is so impressive. Elko was deservingly in coach of the year conversations for how much the team exceeded expectations.

******* Georgia, with all their resources and National Championship seasons and top 3 recruiting classes, went 10-2 and lost in the first round last year. If you can't call this a successful season in year 2 and celebrate that, you need to find a new hobby because you will never be happy here.

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The sips only extended Sark once he won something.

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Extend Elko.
Have him go to PSU and replace him.

Those were the options on the table.

Some of you want to live in a hypothetical world where we can not extend him and keep him from taking a bigger gig. That world did not exist.

I don't get why so many of you care about the extension. 99.99999% of this board will never be financially impacted by it.

Unless you'er one of those people that thinks you care more than Elko now that he got paid, I honestly don't know what difference it makes

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You cant say everyone is unaffected by it. Have you seen the ticket prices to our games. A family trip to Aggieland for a Saturday will easily set you back $1000.

The truth is, some of our fans (read some Texags posters) don't deserve football success. They can't see beyond their computer chair. Elko got extended when he was undefeated in a coach's market. You people that are complaining that he got extended would also be complaining that we didn't extend our undefeated coach had he left. You lack critical thinking or are driven to respond based on emotions. If we can't have some sort of coaching stability, we'll never become an elite football program. I, for one, hated yesterday's outcome but consider this season a success. I think we capitalize on it and take the next step next year.

But go ahead and continuously move that goalpost while playing Monday morning quarterback. The only person it's affecting is you. I'd be amazed to see what most of you would say if you didn't have a message board to hide behind and were in a room with the team. My guess is you would tuck your tail and keep quiet. Perhaps that's what you should do here.

Cromagnum said:

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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

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HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Bibbyyyyy said:

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Any reasonable person understands it takes time to build a program. Ask Sark who went 7-5 with Texas NIL $$$ in year 2.

The expectation before the season absolutely was 8-4 which is why 11-1 is so impressive. Elko was deservingly in coach of the year conversations for how much the team exceeded expectations.

******* Georgia, with all their resources and National Championship seasons and top 3 recruiting classes, went 10-2 and lost in the first round last year. If you can't call this a successful season in year 2 and celebrate that, you need to find a new hobby because you will never be happy here.

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The sips only extended Sark once he won something.

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Extend Elko.
Have him go to PSU and replace him.

Those were the options on the table.

Some of you want to live in a hypothetical world where we can not extend him and keep him from taking a bigger gig. That world did not exist.

I don't get why so many of you care about the extension. 99.99999% of this board will never be financially impacted by it.

Unless you'er one of those people that thinks you care more than Elko now that he got paid, I honestly don't know what difference it makes

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You cant say everyone is unaffected by it. Have you seen the ticket prices to our games. A family trip to Aggieland for a Saturday will easily set you back $1000.

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Do you really think the extension moved the needle of the prices? That's cute. In reality, college football is a business with a high demand. When demand is high and supply is low, basic economics says that prices rise. They will continue to go higher and higher until people decide to stop paying for it. P.S. This will never happen in our lifetime. That affects you because you let it affect you. You can easily stay home and see the game for much cheaper.