The FINAL CFP rankings should be issued PRIOR to any Conference Champ games…

Those games are extra… Not everybody gets to (has to) participate in them…

A loss is unfair to the team who loses, and the winner, more than likely, gets to jump other people in front of them who didn't play - which is unfair the other teams…

A number of the games are rematches of games previously played in the regular season, which has an air of unfairness to the team who won the first game…

Your threads have been bad today and you should feel bad

I think one of the main points of the CFB playoff is that the top 5 conference champions get in. It's impossible to ignore conference championship games.

The committee will ignore CCG results when they really want to. Remember Notre Dame getting bent over by Clemson in 2020, then still staying at #4 and taking our playoff spot?

"But its not fair" is something children say.

If a high ranked team loses to a crap team in a conference championship game they should obviously be dinged. If the best team in the acc lost to duke in the conference championship game they shouldnt be in the top 10.

i think what people are missing is that the committee likes a bit of gray to delve into, it allows them to insert the team they want into the equation.

The NFL has already sorted this out.

Go back to a divisional model so that every team in a division plays every other team in the division.

Division winners play for conference titles. Conference title game is the first round of the playoffs.

If you can't win your division, you're out. If you can't win your conference, you're out.

All this lobbying and jockeying around by teams that are in 3rd, 4th or 5th place in their conference to get a seat in this stupid system shouldn't even be in the discussion. The regular season games have meaning. This isn't basketball with a 30 game season. If you've lost 3 games on a 12 game season, you've lost 25% of your games and it has already been decided that you're not a contender for the national championship.

Sit down and shut up.

Wild card NFL playoff entries say otherwise . NFL also has a lot more parity across the league than CFB does . The fifth/sixth place team in the SEC might win any other conference other than probably the B10.

Ags2013 said:

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Your threads have been bad today and you should feel bad

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Today?

This only works when each conference has roughly the same level of competition. That is not the case in cfb.

Howdy Dammit said:

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This only works when each conference has roughly the same level of competition. That is not the case in cfb.

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Then fix it. Rearrange the conferences. It's not a good thing for college football to have all the power aligned to two conferences.

Full disclosure, I'm a Tech fan. What I am suggesting would definitely work in Tech's favor this year, but not in any other year in Tech's 100 years of football. I'm okay with that.

But as a college football fan in general, it makes no sense that a team that has lost 25% of its games in the regular season should claim a stake in a 12 team playoff.

And in the current season, there are going to be some 10-2 teams at the end of the year that are going to get in, and many more that are going to be left out. Because the college football landscape is so big, there's no way to decide this except by a popularity contest.

Notre Dame is the best example of this so far. They are going to get in to the CFP, and what the committee has done with Miami and Alabama relative to Notre Dame this week is sickening. And never mind that - there's a BYU team that is likely to finish the regular season at 11-1 with its only loss being to #5, and will be told that they aren't worthy of an at-large while 8-2 Notre Dame with exactly one win over a top 25 team is in.

I think that's badly busted. And I'm not even a BYU fan. I really don't like them at all.

But as a college football fan, I think this whole thing sucks, even knowing that my team is likely to be a beneficiary of it this year.

It can help you or it can harm you. Id rather have it.

maroonthrunthru said:

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The FINAL CFP rankings should be issued PRIOR to any Conference Champ games…

Those games are extra… Not everybody gets to (has to) participate in them…

A loss is unfair to the team who loses, and the winner, more than likely, gets to jump other people in front of them who didn't play - which is unfair the other teams…

A number of the games are rematches of games previously played in the regular season, which has an air of unfairness to the team who won the first game…

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at that point everyone would just sit the starters, you are better off just eliminating the games

The biggest issue is that there hasn't been a consistent format for more than a year or two.

You can't compare the BCS computer chosen champion with a 4-team playoff champion, and you can't compare either of those with a 12-team playoff champion.

Skubalon said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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This only works when each conference has roughly the same level of competition. That is not the case in cfb.

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Then fix it. Rearrange the conferences. It's not a good thing for college football to have all the power aligned to two conferences.

Full disclosure, I'm a Tech fan. What I am suggesting would definitely work in Tech's favor this year, but not in any other year in Tech's 100 years of football. I'm okay with that.

But as a college football fan in general, it makes no sense that a team that has lost 25% of its games in the regular season should claim a stake in a 12 team playoff.

And in the current season, there are going to be some 10-2 teams at the end of the year that are going to get in, and many more that are going to be left out. Because the college football landscape is so big, there's no way to decide this except by a popularity contest.

Notre Dame is the best example of this so far. They are going to get in to the CFP, and what the committee has done with Miami and Alabama relative to Notre Dame this week is sickening. And never mind that - there's a BYU team that is likely to finish the regular season at 11-1 with its only loss being to #5, and will be told that they aren't worthy of an at-large while 8-2 Notre Dame with exactly one win over a top 25 team is in.

I think that's badly busted. And I'm not even a BYU fan. I really don't like them at all.

But as a college football fan, I think this whole thing sucks, even knowing that my team is likely to be a beneficiary of it this year.

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Impossible. A tceh fan wouldn't be this proficient in spelling and grammar.

halfastros81 said:

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Wild card NFL playoff entries say otherwise . NFL also has a lot more parity across the league than CFB does . The fifth/sixth place team in the SEC might win any other conference other than probably the B10.

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The NFL doesn't rely on a committee to select wild card teams. If you want wildcard teams, fine. Build a criteria and sort it out.

If a 5th or 6th place team in the SEC might win any other conference, then they should join any other conference or shut up about it. If you are a 5th or 6th place team in the SEC, and the SEC is going to have half of the 12 team CFP field, there is no rational reason to think that this 5th or 6th place team is going to beat the other SEC teams in the field. The SEC regular season already decided it.

Same with any other conference.

maroonthrunthru said:

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The FINAL CFP rankings should be issued PRIOR to any Conference Champ games…

Those games are extra… Not everybody gets to (has to) participate in them…

A loss is unfair to the team who loses, and the winner, more than likely, gets to jump other people in front of them who didn't play - which is unfair the other teams…

A number of the games are rematches of games previously played in the regular season, which has an air of unfairness to the team who won the first game…

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if this ever got implemented, I'd love to see what you post when there's a year A&M is sitting at #13 and beats #2 Georgia in the Championship game.

Loftin said:

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I think one of the main points of the CFB playoff is that the top 5 conference champions get in. It's impossible to ignore conference championship games.

The committee will ignore CCG results when they really want to. Remember Notre Dame getting bent over by Clemson in 2020, then still staying at #4 and taking our playoff spot?

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I'm still more pissed about OSU getting in despite having only played 6 games that season. That was straight up bull***** And then they lose to Bama by the same margin we did.

But yeah, Notre Dame didn't deserve to be there either.

I think the Committee should use a simple point system metric to help rank teams initially before going into all the debating that incentivizes winning the CCG but doesnt hurt a CCG loss as well as rewards quality wins and punishes bad losses.

Points:

+2.0: Conference Championship Game Win
+1.5: Top 10 Opponent Win
+1.0: Top 25 Opponent Win
+.05: Unranked Win
+0: Conference Championship Loss
-.05: Top 10 Opponent Loss
-1.0: Top 25 Opponent Loss
-1.5: Unranked Loss
-2.0: FCS loss

Howdy Dammit said:

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This only works when each conference has roughly the same level of competition. That is not the case in cfb.

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It is also impossible to achieve, even more so than professional sports, considering how often these rosters turn over.

Are your Top 10 and 25 win/loss at time of playing the team or their rank at the end of the season?

Wrt to your comment about the 5th or 6th place SEC team shouldn't be considered because it was already decided in regular season, that's only true imo if they all played the same conference schedule. Matchups matter as well. Also the thing about joining a conference you can win… you can't just jump conferences because 1 yr you lost a few conference games . You look to improve and win in the coming years. That piece of it is unrealistic . Now if you say we want to align the conferences into divisions and play all division opponents and the division winners face one another like it used to be then that's fine but we both know that isn't happening.

Not really wanting to take this any further. I say let's just agree to disagree on these points.

Ags83 said:

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Are your Top 10 and 25 win/loss at time of playing the team or their rank at the end of the season?

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Has to be taken at the time the game was played. Primary reason being that you could play a team that is top 10 the first week of the season, then they have a slew of injuries the last 3 weeks of the season, and drop from top 25. The team you played WAS ranked at the time you played.

Best 12. Not fewest losses in a weak conference.

Loftin said:

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I think one of the main points of the CFB playoff is that the top 5 conference champions get in. It's impossible to ignore conference championship games.

The committee will ignore CCG results when they really want to. Remember Notre Dame getting bent over by Clemson in 2020, then still staying at #4 and taking our playoff spot?

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Ohio State took our playoff spot, but that's just a further committee corruption issue beyond what you pointed out.

lil_frog8 said:

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I think the Committee should use a simple point system metric to help rank teams initially before going into all the debating that incentivizes winning the CCG but doesnt hurt a CCG loss as well as rewards quality wins and punishes bad losses.

Points:

+2.0: Conference Championship Game Win
+1.5: Top 10 Opponent Win
+1.0: Top 25 Opponent Win
+.05: Unranked Win
+0: Conference Championship Loss
-.05: Top 10 Opponent Loss
-1.0: Top 25 Opponent Loss
-1.5: Unranked Loss
-2.0: FCS loss

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So OSU would get +1.5 for beating then #1 tu that's now 7-3?

crowman2010 said:

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Ags83 said:

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Are your Top 10 and 25 win/loss at time of playing the team or their rank at the end of the season?

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Has to be taken at the time the game was played. Primary reason being that you could play a team that is top 10 the first week of the season, then they have a slew of injuries the last 3 weeks of the season, and drop from top 25. The team you played WAS ranked at the time you played.

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They could also be vastly overrated like Penn State or tu.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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"But its not fair" is something children say.

If a high ranked team loses to a crap team in a conference championship game they should obviously be dinged. If the best team in the acc lost to duke in the conference championship game they shouldnt be in the top 10.

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High ranked teams play a crappy team in conference champion games?

maroonthrunthru said:

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The FINAL CFP rankings should be issued PRIOR to any Conference Champ games…

Those games are extra… Not everybody gets to (has to) participate in them…

A loss is unfair to the team who loses, and the winner, more than likely, gets to jump other people in front of them who didn't play - which is unfair the other teams…

A number of the games are rematches of games previously played in the regular season, which has an air of unfairness to the team who won the first game…

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So let's say Ohio State beats Indiana by 40, and A&M beats Alabama by 40.

How does your idea look in that light?