The conference champions go away when it goes up to 16. Assuming the SEC doesn't leave first.

NoahAg said:

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13B said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

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Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

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B/c look at their schedules vs SEC/Big10 schedules. At least Notre Dame schedules real competition. Tulane possibly being a playoff team? Freaking joke.

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G5 schools will always get a slot until Congress passes anti-trust legislation for college sports. If you don't include them they will sue and win. The joke was last year that they rectified was giving the byes to the 5 highest ranked conference champions not the 5 highest ranked teams.

Aggie97 said:

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NoahAg said:

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13B said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

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Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

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B/c look at their schedules vs SEC/Big10 schedules. At least Notre Dame schedules real competition. Tulane possibly being a playoff team? Freaking joke.

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G5 schools will always get a slot until Congress passes anti-trust legislation for college sports. If you don't include them they will sue and win. The joke was last year that they rectified was giving the byes to the 5 highest ranked conference champions not the 5 highest ranked teams.

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4 conference champions not 5. Imagine that you are Oregon, they really got screwed by the seeding. Georgia too but in a different way as they lost their QB in SECCG (played for $$).

FrankK said:

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F the SEc!!! This is what their greed bought when they slid conference-destroying t.u. into the mix in the dark behind a curtain.

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Agreed. We're better off in the B1G.

Never understood the Ags that worship the SEC.

My only loyalty is to A&M, not some conference that let our biggest rival in the back door.

I like that a G5 school gets in. Sometimes you just want to see a lil school get the piss beat out of them.

So you're saying Sankey could finally do something useful for a change by confronting the Committee on the Strength of Schedule issue? Refresh the popcorn.

The only way to solve this problem is to allow g5 schools to promote and p4 schools to be relegated. Each conference has to have a set number of teams identical to the others and a matched g5 conference. Or two. Teams earn their way up or down and the playoff is limited to p4 schools. But rules need to be the same across conferences, conference games, championship (removed) etc etc. would make for great drama and tv ratings.

I didn't read all of OP's post but I'm angry.

aggielax48 said:

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Farmer_J said:

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All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.

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This is why OU and Texas to the SEC never made sense to me. With the expanded playoffs, they were a shoe in every year. Maybe the playoff money still doesn't make up for the guaranteed revenue the SEC brings.

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The committee should consider that the Big 12 lost its 2 best programs just 2 years ago. Now they seem to think Tech and BYU or Utah are equivalent.

the issue with the committee this year...

is the shocking love for the BDF

#5 Tech, #11 BYU, and #12 Utah have done nothing out of conference to justify their rankings

all three teams should be 3 spots lower at a minimum

We could always go back to some BCS strength of schedule/quality wins formulas to determine which teams go to the playoffs. Wasn't that the whole point of having a committee so we could have human beings pick the teams based on "eye test" instead of some computer poll?

Aggie97 said:

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NoahAg said:

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13B said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

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Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

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B/c look at their schedules vs SEC/Big10 schedules. At least Notre Dame schedules real competition. Tulane possibly being a playoff team? Freaking joke.

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G5 schools will always get a slot until Congress passes anti-trust legislation for college sports. If you don't include them they will sue and win. The joke was last year that they rectified was giving the byes to the 5 highest ranked conference champions not the 5 highest ranked teams.

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If you make it the top 4 ranked conf champs, they don't have a leg to stand on.

AcctAg11 said:

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13B said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

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Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

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Because the G5 are not playing the same sport as the power conferences, really. They will come into the playoff as a multi-score dog in pretty much any match-up.

Honestly, we need to split up the FBS into at least 2 separate divisions, IMO.

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The NCAA did that in 1978.

Yes, but it also does not guarantee a spot for ANY conference champ. Obviously the SEC and B1G champ don't have to worry, but having two highly ranked G5 champs could potentially bump a lowly ranked ACC or Big 12 champ. Guess we are saying the same thing. I don't even know how many G5 conferences there are, it's more than 4 though.

Personally I am against gojng to 16 unless the SEC is guaranteed at least 4 teams.

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the issue with the committee this year...

is the shocking love for the BDF

#5 Tech, #11 BYU, and #12 Utah have done nothing out of conference to justify their rankings

all three teams should be 3 spots lower at a minimum

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This is the result of two things:

- The Big 12's record against the ACC this year, which was something like 5-1, and...

- The SOR / game control stat that I think the SEC demanded come into play this year. Utah and Tech have absolutely dominated teams this year, and BYU sits in the middle of them at 9-1 with a win over Utah.

The committee seems to be paying a lot of attention especially to the SOR.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume/sort/resume.gamecontrolrank/dir/asc

Jarrin Jay said:

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Personally I am against gojng to 16 unless the SEC is guaranteed at least 4 teams.

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American
Conference USA
Mid-American (MAC)
Sun Belt
Mountain West (MWC)
PAC-12

If that happens then you'll see the CCG disappear starting next year and the regular season champion will be crowned as the first place team or teams. Yes there will be co-champs because that will do what all this is designed to do: maximize the number of SEC teams in the CFP and the first round byes

The Big 10 wants to expand the playoff field to 24 teams. That would absolutely ruin the sport. The field is already too large. They should have stopped at 8.

Pigeon88 said:

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The Big 10 wants to expand the playoff field to 24 teams. That would absolutely ruin the sport. The field is already too large. They should have stopped at 8.

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Seems to work just fine for FCS and basketball…

Do away with all conferences and let AI generate completely random schedules for everyone. Maybe you'll get an easy year and maybe you won't. I kid….mostly.

How about Texas Tech loses the B12 Championship game and Bama knocked out of CFP?

25Lighters said:

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Losing in your conference championship game shouldn't impact your seeding. That's my opinion but you shouldn't be punished by the committee for playing an extra game.

The playoffs committee has a long way to go before reaching the corruption level of the IOC or FIFA but they seem to be headed that way

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Mostly agree, but these P4 conferences are so large that the schedule imbalance is the reason the team makes it to a championship game.


If the third place team has played mostly the top teams, and a team in the CCG has played an easy schedule and loses in the CCG, if the conference is going to only get 2 teams in, who goes:

The team with an easy conference schedule that lost in the CCG or the team with the much tougher conference schedule who happened to finish in 3rd?

W said:

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the issue with the committee this year...

is the shocking love for the BDF

#5 Tech, #11 BYU, and #12 Utah have done nothing out of conference to justify their rankings

all three teams should be 3 spots lower at a minimum

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Nope. Assuming BYU and TT play again in their championship game, they both should get in (assuming BYU doesn't take a whipping by TT again).

Skubalon said:

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W said:

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the issue with the committee this year...

is the shocking love for the BDF

#5 Tech, #11 BYU, and #12 Utah have done nothing out of conference to justify their rankings

all three teams should be 3 spots lower at a minimum

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This is the result of two things:

- The Big 12's record against the ACC this year, which was something like 5-1, and...

- The SOR / game control stat that I think the SEC demanded come into play this year. Utah and Tech have absolutely dominated teams this year, and BYU sits in the middle of them at 9-1 with a win over Utah.

The committee seems to be paying a lot of attention especially to the SOR.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume/sort/resume.gamecontrolrank/dir/asc

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No, they really don't. Oregon has had a consistently higher SOR than Texas Tech, and a similar record, and yet they have been consistently ranked beneath them. Alabama's SOR is #8 and Notre Dame's is #12 and yet Notre Dame is above Alabama with the same record. Texas A&M has the #1 overall SOR and we are ranked behind Indiana and Ohio State as undefeated teams.

Maybe they are looking at game control as well, but that is a very different stat, and not what the committee claimed in the preseason. Game control in many ways measures the opposite of what SOR does (game control rewards maintaining a comfortable margin throughout the game, and SOR values the difficulty of your schedule regardless of the margin of victory).

AcctAg11 said:

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13B said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

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Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

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Because the G5 are not playing the same sport as the power conferences, really. They will come into the playoff as a multi-score dog in pretty much any match-up.

Honestly, we need to split up the FBS into at least 2 separate divisions, IMO. Or maybe some type of relegation system. I dont know why we are pretending there is any semblance of parity between the Power 4 and the G5. Just because there is an upset from them once in a blue moon? It's silly, really.

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my son made a great point about G5 now - most of the best of the G5 schools have all moved up into a P4 conference - TCU, UH, Cincinnati, Central Fla , BYU are all now included in B12. Boise and Memphis are the only big name G5 schools that are left . Do they really deserve a seat at the table now?

Farmer_J said:

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All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.

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This is what's ruining things in my opinion. There needs to be four strong conferences. Right now there's 2.5

Biting Fixation said:

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Farmer_J said:

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All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.

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This is what's ruining things in my opinion. There needs to be four strong conferences. Right now there's 2.5

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Sankey killed this concept when he pulled tu / OU into SEC and B1G countered with killing. the PAC12. The landscape was great the way it was

aggielax48 said:

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Farmer_J said:

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All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.

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This is why OU and Texas to the SEC never made sense to me. With the expanded playoffs, they were a shoe in every year. Maybe the playoff money still doesn't make up for the guaranteed revenue the SEC brings.

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Exactly. I think they did it for mostly pride and attention, but had the expanded playoffs already been set.They would have been fools to move.

Texas would be 10-0 and Archie would have the heisman locked up. lol

Some of you are truly pathetic. It took less than 20 seconds to read.

Of course seeing who said it it makes total sense.

The main issue I see is the P4 isn't the P4. We have the Power 2, the Mid 2, and the Abysmal 5.

Someone else mentioned a good point that most of the good G5 schools went to P4 conferences when the expansions happened. The B12 is now the bottom of the old B12 + the bottom of the old PAC10 + some G5s.

All that being said, I do love Tech making the playoffs over tu. F tu.

Free Shoe University says hello thats all I need to be reminded of when I think of CFP committee.

Starting QB or not.

TyperWoods said:

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After careful consideration....

F Alabama, F the SEC, and especially F Snakey

Where were they when OSU got in with 6 wins and we didn't with, what 9?

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100% this.

Wabs said:

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I didn't read all of OP's post but I'm angry.

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Not my writing so I'm not offended.