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Battle lines are forming…between the SEC and everyone else

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greg.w.h
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" The SEC and Big Ten have made stunning moves over the past five years to dramatically mold college football into their preferred image.

What they can't do is control the human condition on the College Football Playoff selection committee.

And that may just lead to more stunning moves from the SEC to change the sport forever.

Because the day the runner-up of the SEC isn't selected to the CFP, is the day the SEC walks out of the entire process.

A selection process the SEC was promised would change, where strength of schedule and big wins, and to a lesser extent, close losses in big games, would be the high-value entry point.

Three weeks into the latest iteration of the CFP poll, it's clear those promises haven't been kept.

"That simply didn't happen," said Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz.

You want a nightmare scenario for the SEC, and the rest of college football, by proxy? Here it is:

No. 10 Alabama beats Auburn, advances to the SEC championship game, loses to either No. 3 Texas A&M or No. 4 Georgia (which it already beat this season, in Athens), and drops out of the 12-team CFP.

Behind Notre Dame, which lost to Texas A&M at home. Behind Miami, which won't even have played in its conference championship game much less, the ACC championship game.

The 16 SEC presidents would get on the horn to commissioner Greg Sankey, and the fallout would be catastrophic for the future of college football.

A scenario like that which isn't that far from unfolding would force the SEC into fight or flight, to take its ball and go home with its television partner (ESPN) that runs the sport, and start an SEC-only playoff.

It's not like they haven't threatened to do so before. In fact, Sankey defiantly said not long ago that it wasn't a threat.

In other words, we'll do it.

Look, the SEC has played a role in the sport's dramatic change, and must take its fair share of blame for some of the chaos playing out on and off the field. Expansion, contraction, player empowerment and free player movement with unbridled NIL free agency. They must own it.

But the most popular and competitive conference in all of college sports has yet to truly flex its muscle. It still hasn't played the final, undeniably devastating card it holds."


Note the term Sankey uses is Sttength of Record to avoid the notion that the schedule itself is the issue. But we have been in effect discussing this without considering the nuclear option here!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2025/11/20/sec-believes-cfp-isnt-using-agreed-upon-strength-of-schedule-metric-alabama-notre-dame-miami/87354995007/?tbref=hp
MojoAg06
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I mean, sure, why not? When have back room talks by other SEC schools ever not worked in our favor? Let's really be sure to go out of our way to protect Bama's feelings.
BucketofBalls99
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Cliff notes please
Farmer_J
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All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.
swc93
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BucketofBalls99 said:

Cliff notes please

No. 10 Alabama beats Auburn, advances to the SEC championship game, loses to either No. 3 Texas A&M or No. 4 Georgia (which it already beat this season, in Athens), and drops out of the 12-team CFP.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!
Logos Stick
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Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.
St Hedwig Aggie
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What if bama loses to aubbie?
FL_Ag1998
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Good lord, some of you have the half second attention span of a goldfish. It takes less than a minute to read that summary in the OP.
greg.w.h
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It is poorly written but that's the charm of a goal of reaching sixth grade reading level readers..I guess…
texag101
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Stop being dramatic. Yes, the system is a little unfair in certain potential scenarios (that haven't happened yet) and maybe it should be tweaked, but the SEC isn't going to break away and have its own championship, especially (like this year) when the top two teams aren't even in the SEC.
BTKAG97
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Alabama doesn't deserve A&M to come to it's defense if they are shunned from the CFP.
dabo man
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tl;dr
13B
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Logos Stick said:

Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?
25Lighters
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Losing in your conference championship game shouldn't impact your seeding. That's my opinion but you shouldn't be punished by the committee for playing an extra game.

The playoffs committee has a long way to go before reaching the corruption level of the IOC or FIFA but they seem to be headed that way

Morbo the Annihilator
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200 words is hard.

College educated adults can't be expected to read, after all.
Jarrin Jay
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The conversation is completely different when looking at a 9-3, 3 losses in regular season team vs 10-3, 10-2 regular season team that lost the conference champ. game IMHO.

The CFP committee SHOULD base their inclusion in the final 12 rankings based on the regular season, and tweak for seeding based on CG results. This isn't the bouncy ball tournament where a conference title game (ie tourny game) gets you into the playoff field. Being in the CFP final 12 ranking should be based on the regular season.

The CFP is going to expand to 16 teams anyway pretty much to avoid any of this. And it means that just about any 9-3 SEC team will be in.

Tree Hugger
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Quote:

Behind Miami, which won't even have played in its conference championship game much less, the ACC championship game.

Umm, I thought Miami was in the ACC, oddly worded sentence.
AcctAg11
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13B said:

Logos Stick said:

Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?


Because the G5 are not playing the same sport as the power conferences, really. They will come into the playoff as a multi-score dog in pretty much any match-up.

Honestly, we need to split up the FBS into at least 2 separate divisions, IMO. Or maybe some type of relegation system. I dont know why we are pretending there is any semblance of parity between the Power 4 and the G5. Just because there is an upset from them once in a blue moon? It's silly, really.
Jarrin Jay
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Agreed. They already did that, in theory. There is no more Power 4 + highest ranked G5 champs AQs, it is just the 5 highest ranked conference champs + 7 at-large.

So in a veiled way they did still include the highest ranked G5 team. I agree it should be 4 + 8 at-large teams which does not preclude a G5 conference champ team, it just puts more pressure on the ACC and Big 12.
greg.w.h
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Tree Hugger said:

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Behind Miami, which won't even have played in its conference championship game much less, the ACC championship game.

Umm, I thought Miami was in the ACC, oddly worded sentence.
The purpose of the article seems to be sensational…but it scratches a he "we aren't being treated fairly itch" here, so I thought sharing it would be…umm…cathartic if not really that informative. Note the thread title.
Sharpshooter
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13B said:

Logos Stick said:

Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

I see what you did there.
NyAggie
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swc93 said:

BucketofBalls99 said:

Cliff notes please

No. 10 Alabama beats Auburn, advances to the SEC championship game, loses to either No. 3 Texas A&M or No. 4 Georgia (which it already beat this season, in Athens), and drops out of the 12-team CFP.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!


This could happen if byu beats tech in the b12 title game and thus gets into the field.

Tech at 5 would stay in and bama at 10 may be the one to drop out

If you ask me, the big13 has no business being a 2 bid league s d the big12 title game loser should be out, even if it's tech

Tech should be 10 right now with bama higher up than that

Get Off My Lawn
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Farmer_J said:


All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.

Big10 & SEC champs meet in a single game to determine the national champion. All other conferences drop to a subordinate league with a relegation/promotion relationship to competitive conferences. Discard the playoff, playoff committee, and NCAA.
SunrayAg
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The problem begins when people start believing that the playoff committee exists to get the best teams in the proper order, and play for a true championship.

The committee exists exclusively to create made for tv matchups to get the most eyeballs on tv sets.
NyAggie
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Jarrin Jay said:

The conversation is completely different when looking at a 9-3, 3 losses in regular season team vs 10-3, 10-2 regular season team that lost the conference champ. game IMHO.

The CFP committee SHOULD base their inclusion in the final 12 rankings based on the regular season, and tweak for seeding based on CG results. This isn't the bouncy ball tournament where a conference title game (ie tourny game) gets you into the playoff field. Being in the CFP final 12 ranking should be based on the regular season.

The CFP is going to expand to 16 teams anyway pretty much to avoid any of this. And it means that just about any 9-3 SEC team will be in.




This

If you are in the field before ccg weekend then you should stay in unless another team that was outside the field makes the field by winning its ccg

If byu beats tech hen someone has to drop out to allow byu in

If Bana loses the seccg that's going to be bama because they are currently the last team in

The committee screwed itself by having tech so high

Tech should have been placed at 10 so that the big12 would get capped at a one big league: Big12 ccg game winner in, loser out

But for some strange reason the big12 is still being treated one near equal footing to the sec and big10

4 b12 teams ranked, 3 in the top 12? One in the top 5? Really committee????




cecil77
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This is hilarious to old traditionalists.

The entire point of a playoff was to "prove it on the field" and "take human opinion out of it". How's that working out for ya?

How about only 96 teams in the league? 8 conferences of 12 teams each. Eleven game round robin regular season in each conference. 8 conference champs. Coin toss matchups in the first round. And as they say in the Valley - dale gas!
Davidtheag
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swc93 said:

BucketofBalls99 said:

Cliff notes please

No. 10 Alabama beats Auburn, advances to the SEC championship game, loses to either No. 3 Texas A&M or No. 4 Georgia (which it already beat this season, in Athens), and drops out of the 12-team CFP.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!

Then dogs and cats start living together, mass hysteria!!

A hellfire doomsday if Georgia or Texas A&M wins the SEC over Alabama because they might not make the playoffs with 3 losses?

Logos Stick
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Jarrin Jay said:

Agreed. They already did that, in theory. There is no more Power 4 + highest ranked G5 champs AQs, it is just the 5 highest ranked conference champs + 7 at-large.

So in a veiled way they did still include the highest ranked G5 team. I agree it should be 4 + 8 at-large teams which does not preclude a G5 conference champ team, it just puts more pressure on the ACC and Big 12.


There are four P4 conferences. The five highest ranked conf champs get a slot. Thus, G5 will always get a slot!
aggielax48
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Farmer_J said:


All the good teams crowded into 1 or 2 conferences, Isn't good for college football as a whole.


This is why OU and Texas to the SEC never made sense to me. With the expanded playoffs, they were a shoe in every year. Maybe the playoff money still doesn't make up for the guaranteed revenue the SEC brings.
Emilio Fantastico
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A few points...

1. Bama should not have gotten blown out by a lousy FSU team in their opener.
2. I think it is hilarious that a Bama program that was routinely in the 4-team playoffs now may miss the 12-team playoffs for the second year in a row.
3. Even though I think Bama would be easier than Georgia in the SECCG, I would love to see Auburn eliminate them .
TyperWoods
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After careful consideration....

F Alabama, F the SEC, and especially F Snakey

Where were they when OSU got in with 6 wins and we didn't with, what 9?
AozorAg
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They need to factor in median draft picks per team in each conference. The SEC median per team is 4.57 picks and an average of 21 draft picks over the last five years. The Big 10 per team is 2.86 median and an average of 14.21 draft picks over the last 5 years. And the other conferences just decrease from there.

If that is not being heavily factored in, then the SEC needs to take drastic steps. The talent in our conference is far superior and results in losing records for teams that would be 8+ win teams in other conferences. If that is not given weight, something has to be done.
Ugly
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greg.w.h said:

Note the term Sankey uses is Strength of Record to avoid the notion that the schedule itself is the issue. But we have been in effect discussing this without considering the nuclear option here!!!

If I were him I would act the same way. He was told that the committee would value SOR and relied on that being true when negotiating to go to 9 conference game. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and there was actually a negative correlation between the Playoff Committee's initial rankings and the SOR metrics. That is egregious levels of bait-and-switch.
Logos Stick
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Ugly said:

greg.w.h said:

Note the term Sankey uses is Strength of Record to avoid the notion that the schedule itself is the issue. But we have been in effect discussing this without considering the nuclear option here!!!

If I were him I would act the same way. He was told that the committee would value SOR and relied on that being true when negotiating to go to 9 conference game. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and there was actually a negative correlation between the Playoff Committee's initial rankings and the SOR metrics. That is egregious levels of bait-and-switch.

NoahAg
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13B said:

Logos Stick said:

Step 1 would be to get rid of the G5 school.

Why? Because they are using up a spot that could go to someone else? There is always going to be a cutoff point whether it is a 4, 12, 16-64 team playoff. Be good enough to make the cutoff. I think the G5 should still get a slot, I mean, a team like App State would never be able to beat the likes of Michigan or A&M but shouldn't the best of them at least get a shot? How far do we need to expand to let them have a slot?

B/c look at their schedules vs SEC/Big10 schedules. At least Notre Dame schedules real competition. Tulane possibly being a playoff team? Freaking joke.
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