Is he one of the Top10 coaches in college football. He has my vote. I'd put him at 5.
Mike Elko
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Not in terms of accomplishments, this is only his 4th year as a head coach and he hasn't even had a 10 win season yet...obviously we hope that changes this year.
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
It was. The talking heads had Sark as a top 5 HC. Hell, they probably have him right back there after they beat a subpar Ou team with a hobbled qb.TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
HoustonAg2106 said:
... 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 ...
Good thing so much of our GDP is going to build & power AI data centers.
HoustonAg2106 said:
Not in terms of accomplishments, this is only his 4th year as a head coach and he hasn't even had a 10 win season yet...obviously we hope that changes this year.
Alright let's start with his first job at Duke accomplishments:
First Duke Coach to ever win 9 games in his first season. Ever. (previous year they won 3 games)
Won ACC Coach of the year in first season (never done at Duke and only second ever coach to win the award at Duke)
He completely turned their defense around in every statistical category from some of the worst in college football to top 50.
He left Duke with a .64 winning percentage. Duke has had 17 winning seasons since 1945. Elko owns 2 in his two years there.
GTFO of here with no accomplishments.
TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Sure he is a good coach, my statement was in response to someone saying he is one of the top 10 best in college football. He would be a great hire for schools like Arkansas or South Carolina.
fightintxaggie10 said:HoustonAg2106 said:
Not in terms of accomplishments, this is only his 4th year as a head coach and he hasn't even had a 10 win season yet...obviously we hope that changes this year.
Alright let's start with his first job at Duke accomplishments:
First Duke Coach to ever win 9 games in his first season. Ever. (previous year they won 3 games)
Won ACC Coach of the year in first season (never done at Duke and only second ever coach to win the award at Duke)
He completely turned their defense around in every statistical category from some of the worst in college football to top 50.
He left Duke with a .64 winning percentage. Duke has had less than 18 winning seasons since 1945. Elko owns 2 in his two years there.
GTFO of here with no accomplishments.
What he has done is good at both Duke and am, but most people judge coaches on good success over many years. For me if he has a great record over at least 10 years of being a hc than I will say he is a top coach.
Elko is a very good fit for us and he is winning. He is always complimentary of the other programs we play and supportive of all other sports at our university. Those are not common traits among other FBS coaches. Does anyone think Kiffin would ever promote women's volleyball at 'Ol Miss during a press conference? After we lost to Notre Dame last year, the first words out of Elko's mouth at the presser were congratulatory of ND for coming to a tough place to play and pulling out the win.The first thing out of Elko's mouth this year when we beat them was appreciation for the ND program and what an amazing college football environment they provided. Freeman in the other locker room - not one word about the Aggies. Not a congratulations, great job, nothing. Just what they needed to improve and what he thought they did wrong. Because, obviously, to Freeman, it could not have been anything the Aggies did right to kick his a$$. With Elko, winning is a big bonus.
The & is on the numbers or shift-7 on a typewriter…Ag-ME said:fightintxaggie10 said:HoustonAg2106 said:
Not in terms of accomplishments, this is only his 4th year as a head coach and he hasn't even had a 10 win season yet...obviously we hope that changes this year.
Alright let's start with his first job at Duke accomplishments:
First Duke Coach to ever win 9 games in his first season. Ever. (previous year they won 3 games)
Won ACC Coach of the year in first season (never done at Duke and only second ever coach to win the award at Duke)
He completely turned their defense around in every statistical category from some of the worst in college football to top 50.
He left Duke with a .64 winning percentage. Duke has had less than 18 winning seasons since 1945. Elko owns 2 in his two years there.
GTFO of here with no accomplishments.
What he has done is good at both Duke and am, but most people judge coaches on good success over many years. For me if he has a great record over at least 10 years of being a hc than I will say he is a top coach.
fightintxaggie10 said:HoustonAg2106 said:
Not in terms of accomplishments, this is only his 4th year as a head coach and he hasn't even had a 10 win season yet...obviously we hope that changes this year.
Alright let's start with his first job at Duke accomplishments:
First Duke Coach to ever win 9 games in his first season. Ever. (previous year they won 3 games)
Won ACC Coach of the year in first season (never done at Duke and only second ever coach to win the award at Duke)
He completely turned their defense around in every statistical category from some of the worst in college football to top 50.
He left Duke with a .64 winning percentage. Duke has had less than 18 winning seasons since 1945. Elko owns 2 in his two years there.
GTFO of here with no accomplishments.
Where did I say he has no accomplishments? I just said that in terms of accomplishments, he is not a top 10 coach which isn't really all that crazy to say for a guy with just over 3 years as a head coach.
Elko has 0 conference or national championship appearances so no I would not say he's a top 10 coach. He may get there but he could also lose 3-4 games and have his team fall to also rans again. Let's just wait and see what he does this year not that it really matters because win or lose we are stuck with him for at least a few more years.
TexasAggie_97 said:
Elko has 0 conference or national championship appearances so no I would not say he's a top 10 coach. He may get there but he could also lose 3-4 games and have his team fall to also rans again. Let's just wait and see what he does this year not that it really matters because win or lose we are stuck with him for at least a few more years.
Gotta love TexAgs. It's either one extreme or the other. He's either the best coach in football or we are stuck with him for a few more years.
We will be fortunate to have him for a few more years.
Way too early to tell, but I can't criticize anything he had done so far. He was great here when he was a coordinator, did a great job for Duke, did okay last year. To me the thing he does better than a lot of coaches is the in-game adjustments. I remember his last year here as d-coordinator, we wouldn't always come out hot, but the other team usually couldn't do much the 2nd half. Really glad to be seeing that this year too, on both the O and D side of the ball. Finish out this year like it is setting up to be, and the next few years can be magical and elevate him to that tier 1 status.
Based on current trajectory which admittedly could change in a hurry I'm not sure I'd trade him for any current college coach. Lanning is really good but not sure he would fit at A & M as well as Elko does.
Full disclosure: I thought Jimbo was a good fit . I was wrong. Didn't expect him to sit on his hands so much after the extension. Didn't expect his offense to be as outdated and bland as it was either
Full disclosure: I thought Jimbo was a good fit . I was wrong. Didn't expect him to sit on his hands so much after the extension. Didn't expect his offense to be as outdated and bland as it was either
Why did my thread bout Elko get deleted. Looked like it was some good discussion
Come Out Roll said:TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
Context matters. 4-21 against top 10 teams means something very different if you're at Appalachian State than if you're at Georgia.
Come Out Roll said:TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
Not all "top 10" games are created equal. Like the year Jimbo played 3 teams ranked #1 (Clemson, Bama, and Georgia). I'm not defending Franklin (or Jimbo), but playing dominant OSU and Michigan teams is a different animal than playing a 9th or 10th ranked Georgia Tech or Iowa St or something.
Again, not defending Franklin's record in big games… but he was severely out-gunned in more than a handful of some of those games.
He hasn't achieved anything of note as a HC yet
Accolades will come for Elko. He's a great coach. I wouldn't want anyone else leading this program right now.
Let's tap the brakes on Elko at 5. Let's look at the whole work. He needs to win this weekend. He needs to finish with winning some tough road games. We could be sitting here in 3 weeks curing him because he has lost 3 in a row and the infamous 8-4 is staring at us in the face…or things could finally change for us.
TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
You're right…Franklin is a good coach.
We are talking about who is the best top 10 coaches
I would look at him going 11-2, 10-3, and 13-3 in the last three seasons in a conference not named the Big 12 and call that pretty f'in good. People would be doing backflips off of Kyle Field if we could even sniff that kind of successCome Out Roll said:TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
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All I know is he's actually doing what no coach has done since 40 yrs (Jackie Sherrill and Bellard before him)-
He's changing the culture into a winning culture.
He's changing the culture into a winning culture.
Rule#2 said:I would look at him going 11-2, 10-3, and 13-3 in the last three seasons in a conference not named the Big 12 and call that pretty f'in good. People would be doing backflips off of Kyle Field if we could even sniff that kind of successCome Out Roll said:TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
Those records are good, and in a good conference.
But if he is so good of a coach, why was he 4-21 against top 10 teams? He could never win the big games…period!
At first, yes, Aggies would be doing backflips, but they also would get tired of not beating the top teams on their schedule. If LSU and Texas were consistently good and top 10 teams year after year, and A&M went 10-2, 10-2, 10-2 and those were their two losses, the BMAs would start talking and want the head coach out. Bottom line. They would say, can't win the big one…can't beat the rival…need a change
BucketofBalls99 said:Rule#2 said:Come Out Roll said:TxAg76 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ugly said:TheBonifaceOption said:
Im sure this was said about James Franklin, and Sark too.
And they had wins in the CFB Playoffs...
James Franklin arguably still is one of the ten best coaches in college football. I'm not sure that Penn State remains as an almost-guaranteed annual playoff contender unless they hit a home run on this hire.
James Franklin was 4-21 against top 10 teams. According to google this is a winning percentage of .160 which is tied for the third-worst for a coach with a minimum of 25 games at one school since the AP poll era began.
Not everything is W/L record in a vacuum when gauging how good or bad of a coach someone is, especially if you're only looking at Top 10 matchup record.
Franklin is a good coach.
Not picking a fight, but by what other metric would you gauge a 'good coach'?
This isn't 1943…..building a culture is great and all, but if you can't follow that up with W's, that culture won't last long.
He doesn't regularly bring in top 5 recruiting classes, either.
So again, by what metric are you gauging him as a good coach?
Genuinely curious.
I would look at him going 11-2, 10-3, and 13-3 in the last three seasons in a conference not named the Big 12 and call that pretty f'in good. People would be doing backflips off of Kyle Field if we could even sniff that kind of success
Those records are good, and in a good conference.
But if he is so good of a coach, why was he 4-21 against top 10 teams? He could never win the big games…period!
At first, yes, Aggies would be doing backflips, but they also would get tired of not beating the top teams on their schedule. If LSU and Texas were consistently good and top 10 teams year after year, and A&M went 10-2, 10-2, 10-2 and those were their two losses, the BMAs would start talking and want the head coach out. Bottom line. They would say, can't win the big one…can't beat the rival…need a change
One could argue that R.C. Slocum was our James Franklin. And who did we replace R.C. with? How did that work out?
Ultimately, a coach will be judged by number of rings. However, I witnessed first-hand the years of frustration and disappointment in the 70-90s as Nebraska would win 9-10 games, only to lose to Oklahoma and/or lose their bowl game. Tom Osborne was a very good coach for the 22 seasons prior to his first of three national championships.
We could lose the Arkansas game, and this type of talk will disappear like a fart in the wind.
TyperWoods said:
We will be fortunate to have him for a few more years.
Agree…he needs to lose weight.
Little Rock Ag said:
We could lose the Arkansas game, and this type of talk will disappear like a fart in the wind.
If we lose to Arkansas, we are staring 6-3 in the face before the off week. I'll be at the game Saturday and sincerely hope we show up and show out.
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