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class12of
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Can anyone confirm this? Hard to believe and pretty depressing if it is true.

ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious
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We're gonna change all that in South Bend next month. No Sam Gamgee on this ND team.


RingOfive
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Colorado 2021. It was at Mile High, but that was probably a tougher win than it would have been on their campus.
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RingOfive said:

Colorado 2021. It was at Mile High, but that was probably a tougher win that it would have been on their campus.
Neutral site, not a true road win which is why he added that qualifier.
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Tamuco99 said:

RingOfive said:

Colorado 2021. It was at Mile High, but that was probably a tougher win that it would have been on their campus.
Neutral site, not a true road win


True but that is why the stat posted is misleading. How many true road games have we had OOC since then? Also no one will argue that Colorado was a real nutral site game.
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jt16
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We hardly, if ever, play a true road game against an OOC Power 5. Not many teams do. We've beaten plenty of OOC Power 5 teams since 2012 that aren't "true road games". This is a dumb stat looking for a problem.
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Tamuco99 said:

RingOfive said:

Colorado 2021. It was at Mile High, but that was probably a tougher win that it would have been on their campus.
Neutral site, not a true road win which is why he added that qualifier.

Technically you're right, but for all intents and purposes it was a road game.

Even if you treat it as a road game though, it's still a depressing stat….27 years between OOC road wins. That is insane, not to mention pathetic.
Caesar4
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Wasn't there a sip dufus years ago with a handle of Randolph Duke, or something like that? The X post in the OP's message looks eerily similar.
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Technically true, but Empower Field is less than 30 miles from CU... not really a neutral site game.

Add in the fact that Folsom holds significantly fewer people, the total number of CU fans was probably equal to or greater than if it had been played on their campus.

For stat purposes - neutral site
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jt16 said:

We hardly, if ever, play a true road game against an OOC Power 5. Not many teams do. We've beaten plenty of OOC Power 5 teams since 2012 that aren't "true road games". This is a dumb stat looking for a problem.


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vander54
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Yes there was until he got banned.
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class12of
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I would definitely argue it was a neutral site. I was there and half the stadium was maroon.
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class12of said:

I would definitely argue it was a neutral site. I was there and half the stadium was maroon.


So hypothetically if we have close to half the fans at the Arkansas or Missouri games this year it will be a nuetral site game?

There is way more than fan support that goes into home field advantage.
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class12of
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vander54 said:

class12of said:

I would definitely argue it was a neutral site. I was there and half the stadium was maroon.


So hypothetically if we have close to half the fans at the Arkansas or Missouri games this year it will be a nuetral site game?


Neutral means two things: not on anyone's home campus and close to 50/50 on fans. I'm not sure why you think an NFL stadium isn't neutral.
Bunk Moreland
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A&M has only played 3 current P5 OOC true road games in the last 17 years, and 5 in the last 20.

It's not that shocking of a stat, and definitely not 'insane' or 'pathetic'
W
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the non-confernce road/neutral P5/non-P5 thing is kind of murky

the 2012 win (59-57) over Louisiana Tech (9-3) in Shreveport falls into that category

LATech had a good team that year -- they were not chopped liver under Sonny Dykes
class12of
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Bunk Moreland said:

A&M has only played 3 current P5 OOC true road games in the last 17 years, and 5 in the last 20.

It's not that shocking of a stat, and definitely not 'insane' or 'pathetic'


Double checking some of his "research"…These are the P5 OOC losses on the road since 2000.

@Miami
@Miami
@UCLA
@Clemson
@Clemson
@Virginia Tech
@ND
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jt16 said:

We hardly, if ever, play a true road game against an OOC Power 5. Not many teams do. We've beaten plenty of OOC Power 5 teams since 2012 that aren't "true road games". This is a dumb stat looking for a problem.

A lot of teams play true away OOC P5 games.

South Carolina won at Clemson last year.

Florida won at Florida State last year.

Alabama won at Wisconsin last year and at sip in 2023.

LSU won at sip a few years back, 2021 or 2019 maybe.

Arkansas won at BYU two years ago.

Auburn won at Cal two years ago.

Ole Miss won at Wake last year, at a ranked Tulane the year before, and a at Georgia Tech the year before that:

Tennessee won at a ranked Pitt three years ago.

Sip won at Alabama two years ago.

OU won at Nebraska three years ago.

This is just with 10 minutes of research and only the most recent wins. These are all teams that we consider to be our peers or inferior to us, but they can at least say they've gone into a true OOC P5 road game and won at some point more recently than 1994.

Not the most meaningful stat out there, and some of these teams being P5 or not has been fluid, but just another data point that shows how poorly we've performed as a football program for the last 30 years.

Hopefully Elko can turn it around permanently.
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Lets see (OOC Power 4 games away from Kyle):
1995 L @ Colorado 21-29
1995 W vs Michigan (Alamo Bowl) 22-20
1997 L vs UCLA (Cotton Bowl) 23-29
1998 L vs FSU (New Jersey) 14-23
1998 L vs Ohio St. (Sugar Bowl) 14-24
1999 L Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 0-24
2000 L @ Notre Dame 10-24
2000 L vs Mississippi St. (Independence Bowl) 41-43
2001 W vs TCU (Gallery Furniture Bowl) 28-9
2002 W @ Pitt 14-12
2003 L @ Virginia Tech 19-35
2004 L @ Utah 21-41
2004 L vs Tennessee (Cotton Bowl) 7-38
2005 L @ Clemson 24-25
2006 L vs Cal (Holiday Bowl) 10-45
2007 L @ Miami 17-34
2007 L vs Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 17-24
2009 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 19-47
2010 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 17-24
2010 L vs LSU (Cotton Bowl) 24-41
2011 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 38-42
2011 W vs Northwestern (Texas Bowl) 33-22
2012 W vs Oklahoma (Cotton Bowl) 41-13
2013 W vs Duke (Chick-fil-A Bowl) 52-48
2014 W @ SMU 58-6
2014 W vs W Virginia (Liberty Bowl) 45.37
2015 W vs Arizona St. (Houston) 38-17
2015 L vs Louisville (Music City Bowl) 21-27
2016 L vs Kansas St. (Texas Bowl) 28-33
2017 L @ UCLA 44-45
2017 L vs Wake Forest (Belk Bowl) 52-55
2018 W vs N.C. St. (Gator Bowl) 52-13
2019 L @ Clemson 10-24
2019 W vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 24-21
2020 W vs N. Carolina (Orange Bowl) 41-27
2021 W vs Colorado (Denver) 10-7
2023 L @ Miami 33-48
2023 L vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 23-31
2024 L vs USC (Vegas Bowl) 31-35

So looking at current power 4 teams that we played OOC either in bowls, neutral site, or true road games we are 13-26 since 1994. Very few of those were true road games but in those we are 2-9 against current P4 schools ... but SMU, Utah, nor Pitt were P4/5 at the time we played them so excluding those we'd be 0-8







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Technically, Notre Dame is an independent, not P4, so even beating them wouldn't end this made up stat.
class12of
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Mac94 said:

Lets see (OOC Power 4 games away from Kyle):
1995 L @ Colorado 21-29
1995 W vs Michigan (Alamo Bowl) 22-20
1997 L vs UCLA (Cotton Bowl) 23-29
1998 L vs FSU (New Jersey) 14-23
1998 L vs Ohio St. (Sugar Bowl) 14-24
1999 L Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 0-24
2000 L @ Notre Dame 10-24
2000 L vs Mississippi St. (Independence Bowl) 41-43
2001 W vs TCU (Gallery Furniture Bowl) 28-9
2002 W @ Pitt 14-12
2003 L @ Virginia Tech 19-35
2004 L @ Utah 21-41
2004 L vs Tennessee (Cotton Bowl) 7-38
2005 L @ Clemson 24-25
2006 L vs Cal (Holiday Bowl) 10-45
2007 L @ Miami 17-34
2007 L vs Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 17-24
2009 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 19-47
2010 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 17-24
2010 L vs LSU (Cotton Bowl) 24-41
2011 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 38-42
2011 W vs Northwestern (Texas Bowl) 33-22
2012 W vs Oklahoma (Cotton Bowl) 41-13
2013 W vs Duke (Chick-fil-A Bowl) 52-48
2014 W @ SMU 58-6
2014 W vs W Virginia (Liberty Bowl) 45.37
2015 W vs Arizona St. (Houston) 38-17
2015 L vs Louisville (Music City Bowl) 21-27
2016 L vs Kansas St. (Texas Bowl) 28-33
2017 L @ UCLA 44-45
2017 L vs Wake Forest (Belk Bowl) 52-55
2018 W vs N.C. St. (Gator Bowl) 52-13
2019 L @ Clemson 10-24
2019 W vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 24-21
2020 W vs N. Carolina (Orange Bowl) 41-27
2021 W vs Colorado (Denver) 10-7
2023 L @ Miami 33-48
2023 L vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 23-31
2024 L vs USC (Vegas Bowl) 31-35

So looking at current power 4 teams that we played OOC either in bowls, neutral site, or true road games we are 13-26 since 1994. Very few of those were true road games but in those we are 2-9 against current P4 schools ... but SMU, Utah, nor Pitt were P4/5 at the time we played them so excluding those we'd be 0-8










2003 to 2011 is brutal
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class12of said:

Mac94 said:

Lets see (OOC Power 4 games away from Kyle):
1995 L @ Colorado 21-29
1995 W vs Michigan (Alamo Bowl) 22-20
1997 L vs UCLA (Cotton Bowl) 23-29
1998 L vs FSU (New Jersey) 14-23
1998 L vs Ohio St. (Sugar Bowl) 14-24
1999 L Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 0-24
2000 L @ Notre Dame 10-24
2000 L vs Mississippi St. (Independence Bowl) 41-43
2001 W vs TCU (Gallery Furniture Bowl) 28-9
2002 W @ Pitt 14-12
2003 L @ Virginia Tech 19-35
2004 L @ Utah 21-41
2004 L vs Tennessee (Cotton Bowl) 7-38
2005 L @ Clemson 24-25
2006 L vs Cal (Holiday Bowl) 10-45
2007 L @ Miami 17-34
2007 L vs Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 17-24
2009 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 19-47
2010 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 17-24
2010 L vs LSU (Cotton Bowl) 24-41
2011 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 38-42
2011 W vs Northwestern (Texas Bowl) 33-22
2012 W vs Oklahoma (Cotton Bowl) 41-13
2013 W vs Duke (Chick-fil-A Bowl) 52-48
2014 W @ SMU 58-6
2014 W vs W Virginia (Liberty Bowl) 45.37
2015 W vs Arizona St. (Houston) 38-17
2015 L vs Louisville (Music City Bowl) 21-27
2016 L vs Kansas St. (Texas Bowl) 28-33
2017 L @ UCLA 44-45
2017 L vs Wake Forest (Belk Bowl) 52-55
2018 W vs N.C. St. (Gator Bowl) 52-13
2019 L @ Clemson 10-24
2019 W vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 24-21
2020 W vs N. Carolina (Orange Bowl) 41-27
2021 W vs Colorado (Denver) 10-7
2023 L @ Miami 33-48
2023 L vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 23-31
2024 L vs USC (Vegas Bowl) 31-35

So looking at current power 4 teams that we played OOC either in bowls, neutral site, or true road games we are 13-26 since 1994. Very few of those were true road games but in those we are 2-9 against current P4 schools ... but SMU, Utah, nor Pitt were P4/5 at the time we played them so excluding those we'd be 0-8










2003 to 2011 is brutal

You mean "Fran-tastic?"
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Even before the win at LSU in 1994 our record in true OOC road games against major teams wasn't great. We beat LSU in 92 but lost to the in 86, 88, and 90 on the road and lost at Washington in 89. Lost to Oklahoma St also in 88 (and Nebraska in New Jersey)
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What difference does it make if it's OOC vs a conference road win? We have won conference road games in the best overall football conference.

Also, that was then and this is now. This team is not like last year or any other year's team . What we did against Clemson on the road x yrs ago or Miami Fl z yrs ago has nothing to do with anything this year. I don't understand why the gambling pundits push that crap other than just to influence bets to come in… which is all they are doing.
Bunk Moreland
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It's just another thing to help the wrist cutters feel their pain
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halfastros81 said:

What difference does it make if it's OOC vs a conference road win? We have won conference road games in the best overall football conference.

Also, that was then and this is now. This team is not like last year or any other year's team . What we did against Clemson on the road x yrs ago or Miami Fl z yrs ago has nothing to do with anything this year. I don't understand why the gambling pundits push that crap other than just to influence bets to come in… which is all they are doing.
Social network marketing at work…
MD1993
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Has Elko seen this? He might think about saving the gas money and forfeit the ND game. We could have the team go for a pizza part of something that weekend instead!
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Mac94 said:

Lets see (OOC Power 4 games away from Kyle):
1995 L @ Colorado 21-29
1995 W vs Michigan (Alamo Bowl) 22-20
1997 L vs UCLA (Cotton Bowl) 23-29
1998 L vs FSU (New Jersey) 14-23
1998 L vs Ohio St. (Sugar Bowl) 14-24
1999 L Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 0-24
2000 L @ Notre Dame 10-24
2000 L vs Mississippi St. (Independence Bowl) 41-43
2001 W vs TCU (Gallery Furniture Bowl) 28-9
2002 W @ Pitt 14-12
2003 L @ Virginia Tech 19-35
2004 L @ Utah 21-41
2004 L vs Tennessee (Cotton Bowl) 7-38
2005 L @ Clemson 24-25
2006 L vs Cal (Holiday Bowl) 10-45
2007 L @ Miami 17-34
2007 L vs Penn St (Alamo Bowl) 17-24
2009 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 19-47
2010 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 17-24
2010 L vs LSU (Cotton Bowl) 24-41
2011 L vs Arkansas (Arlington) 38-42
2011 W vs Northwestern (Texas Bowl) 33-22
2012 W vs Oklahoma (Cotton Bowl) 41-13
2013 W vs Duke (Chick-fil-A Bowl) 52-48
2014 W @ SMU 58-6
2014 W vs W Virginia (Liberty Bowl) 45.37
2015 W vs Arizona St. (Houston) 38-17
2015 L vs Louisville (Music City Bowl) 21-27
2016 L vs Kansas St. (Texas Bowl) 28-33
2017 L @ UCLA 44-45
2017 L vs Wake Forest (Belk Bowl) 52-55
2018 W vs N.C. St. (Gator Bowl) 52-13
2019 L @ Clemson 10-24
2019 W vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 24-21
2020 W vs N. Carolina (Orange Bowl) 41-27
2021 W vs Colorado (Denver) 10-7
2023 L @ Miami 33-48
2023 L vs Oklahoma St. (Texas Bowl) 23-31
2024 L vs USC (Vegas Bowl) 31-35

So looking at current power 4 teams that we played OOC either in bowls, neutral site, or true road games we are 13-26 since 1994. Very few of those were true road games but in those we are 2-9 against current P4 schools ... but SMU, Utah, nor Pitt were P4/5 at the time we played them so excluding those we'd be 0-8









Wow, it is stark how piss poor of a program we have had.
It is these matchups that shape the national perception. No wonder why we are classified as perennial losers.We have a long way to go in redefining ourselves. Turning around these road woes would be a great start!
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RingOfive said:

Colorado 2021. It was at Mile High, but that was probably a tougher win than it would have been on their campus.

Didn't Colorado request it to be at Mile High rather than Boulder? I imagine they were thinking more about the gate, but they were a hostel crowd from what I remember.
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a lot of things went wrong for the program when it joined the Big 12

and playing well away from Kyle was one of the big ones
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Who cares about the specifics of this ultra-curated claim? It's high time to get a win against a good P4 team on the road period.

Sumlin could kinda do it. Jimbo couldn't, and now Elko's up to the plate
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some other notes...

the 2002 Pitt team finished 9-4. They were good. Brian Gamble broke up the 2-point pass play to Larry Fitzgerald with 2 minutes remaining

one forgotten game...the 1999 team opened the season in Shreveport vs. Louisiana Tech. Beat the Bulldogs 37-17. LATech with Tim Rattay at QB finished 8-3. Including an upset of Alabama (10-3). That was a nice away win
Mac94
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W said:

a lot of things went wrong for the program when it joined the Big 12

and playing well away from Kyle was one of the big ones

Looking at things since Jackie was hired ... we have:

1985 L @ Alabama 10-23
1985 W vs Auburn (Cotton) 36-16
1986 L @ LSU 17-35
1986 L vs Ohio St. (Cotton) 12-28
1987 W vs Notre Dame (Cotton) 35-10
1988 L Vs Nebraska (New Jersey) 14-23
1988 L @ LSU 0-27
1988 L @ Oklahoma St. 15-52
1989 L @ Washington 6-19
1989 L vs Pitt (Sun Bowl) 28-31
1990 L @ LSU 8-17
1990 W vs BYU (Holiday) 65-14
1991 L vs Florida St (Cotton) 2-10
1992 W vs Stanford (Anaheim) 10-7
1992 W @ LSU 31-22
1992 W @ Missouri 26-13
1992 L vs Notre Dame (Cotton) 3-28
1993 L @ Oklahoma 14-44
1993 L vs Notre Dame 21-24
1994 W @ LSU 18-13

Using the "glory era" of the SWC we were 7-13 against current P4 schools and 3-7 in true road games.
Mac94
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The numbers are what they are ... however ... almost all of them were in a different era of the game.

College football is in a drastically different era with NIL and the paying of players. So there is a bit of apples to oranges here. It is a new ball game.
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Are OOC road games harder than conference road games?
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