Capt_Crunch 14 said:

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This is such a non issue, Kirby made a joke, a lazy joke but a joke still. Of course the hand wringers here are turning it into something. That news site in Kentucky thanks us for the clicks.

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THANK YOU! Calm down people. Everyone in here would try to crack a joke during a presentation if given the opportunity.

evestor1 said:

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dont really care what kirby smart had to say. he is a great coach, but matters zero in the big picture.


JFF was absolutely a champion. you could not hold the guy down. he had a lot of great players surrounding him that all fed off of each other.

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Without JFF, A&M doesn't come back and beat Duke. He literally put the team on his back. On the field, not many better, off the field, the demons took control.

fk Kirby

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evestor1 said:

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dont really care what kirby smart had to say. he is a great coach, but matters zero in the big picture.


JFF was absolutely a champion. you could not hold the guy down. he had a lot of great players surrounding him that all fed off of each other.

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Without JFF, A&M doesn't come back and beat Duke. He literally put the team on his back. On the field, not many better, off the field, the demons took control.

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That game was over when Duke pussed out before half and kicked a field goal from the 1 milimeter line instead of going for it. They could have been up 42-17 at halftime, but settled for 38-17.

It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

nu awlins ag said:

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It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

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Well thank goodness because playing Duke in the Chikfila Bowl was already pretty humiliating.

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

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Well thank goodness because playing Duke in the Chikfila Bowl was already pretty humiliating.

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Humiliating? Please stop….disappointment maybe but not humiliating.

nu awlins ag said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

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Well thank goodness because playing Duke in the Chikfila Bowl was already pretty humiliating.

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Humiliating? Please stop….disappointment maybe but not humiliating.

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Go back and watch the defensive film from most of that season

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

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Well thank goodness because playing Duke in the Chikfila Bowl was already pretty humiliating.

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Humiliating? Please stop….disappointment maybe but not humiliating.

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Go back and watch the defensive film from most of that season

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I don't need to; I was at most of the games. So, if the defensive film was bad, according to you, the bowl game was expected.

nu awlins ag said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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It wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't losing that day.

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Well thank goodness because playing Duke in the Chikfila Bowl was already pretty humiliating.

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Humiliating? Please stop….disappointment maybe but not humiliating.

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Go back and watch the defensive film from most of that season

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I don't need to; I was at most of the games. So, if the defensive film was bad, according to you, the bowl game was expected.

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It's ancient history at this point. My overarching point is to go from 11-2 with a Heisman trophy QB, a win over #1 Alabama on the road and an absolute thrashing of OU in the Cotton Bowl to limping down the stretch to a Chick-fil-a Bowl appearance in which you give up 48 points to Duke is pitiful. I understand you don't agree.

Didn't say that. I said knowing what took place that year during the regular season, the bowl was disappointing, but given how bad the defense was that season, I wouldn't have called "humiliating". It's what the team earned by their play.

Couple noteworthy things that are different:

1) Manziel was surrounded by more 3-star recruits than those other guys.

2) Manziel only played 2 years of college football (maybe Cam Newton can compare). And sure, Manziel admittedly didn't take football seriously after the 1st season.

Really Don't understand all you Johnny Haters on here?? Was the most exciting time to be an Aggie fan.
I would bet most of you wish he had eligibility left!!

Ag1188 said:

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Couple noteworthy thing that's different:

1) Manziel was surrounded by more 3-star recruits than those other guys.

2) Manziel only played 2 years of college football (maybe Cam Newton can compare). And sure, Manziel admittedly didn't take football seriously after the 1st season.

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Burrow attempted 29 passes at Ohio State before transferring and starting two years at LSU.
Cam had 7 attempts at Florida, a year at JUCO, and then one year at Auburn.
Bryce had 22 attempts at Bama his first year before starting two years.

They all had about two years starting (with one of Cam's at JUCO).

JFF torched Kirby's defense at bama. And I reckon Saban gave Kirby an earful.

Faustus said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Couple noteworthy thing that's different:

1) Manziel was surrounded by more 3-star recruits than those other guys.

2) Manziel only played 2 years of college football (maybe Cam Newton can compare). And sure, Manziel admittedly didn't take football seriously after the 1st season.

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Burrow attempted 29 passes at Ohio State before transferring and starting two years at LSU.
Cam had 7 attempts at Florida, a year at JUCO, and then one year at Auburn.
Bryce had 22 attempts at Bama his first year before starting two years.

They all had about two years starting (with one of Cam's at JUCO).

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okay, so Cam can compare like I said. Burrow & Bryce a little bit, but not the same.

You not going to report on how many 3-stars each had on their team including offense and defense?

Cam was like Earl. Prove me wrong.

Ag1188 said:

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Faustus said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Couple noteworthy thing that's different:

1) Manziel was surrounded by more 3-star recruits than those other guys.

2) Manziel only played 2 years of college football (maybe Cam Newton can compare). And sure, Manziel admittedly didn't take football seriously after the 1st season.

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Burrow attempted 29 passes at Ohio State before transferring and starting two years at LSU.
Cam had 7 attempts at Florida, a year at JUCO, and then one year at Auburn.
Bryce had 22 attempts at Bama his first year before starting two years.

They all had about two years starting (with one of Cam's at JUCO).

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okay, so Cam can compare like I said. Burrow & Bryce a little bit, but not the same.

You not going to report on how many 3-stars each had on their team including offense and defense?

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Yeah I'm not going to go check the relative three stars on the teams since it was your assertion without any links or actual numbers. You're not going to report on how many there were?

I'd guess Cam's Auburn team might have been worse off on recruiting service star power compared to JFF's teams.

But why use the star scale for high schoolers when we know how talented the players actually were in college going by the NFL draft?

It looks like JFF played with some very high first round picks in Joeckel (2nd overall), Matthews (6th overall), Evans (7th overall), and Ogbeuhi (22nd overall).

Auburn had one first round draft pick in Fairley (13th overall). Looking at the links JFF played with significantly better quality and quantity in NFL talent than Cam did at Auburn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_A%26M_Aggies_in_the_NFL_draft

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Auburn_Tigers_in_the_NFL_draft

Edit: This link does the legwork as far as Auburn showing that no championship team in the last couple of decades had ever been carried as much as Cam did Auburn. It goes in depth with the draft and recruiting service stars averages.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1724970/2020/04/06/auburn-tigers-football-2010-national-championship-unique-makeup/

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. . . The sport has become increasingly ruled by a select few the programs that rank the highest in the final recruiting class rankings on the first Wednesday in February put up the most dominant performances in the fall and produce the most talent for the NFL to snag in April.

And that's what makes 2010 Auburn potentially the last champion of its kind in college football.
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Across the past several years, college football analyst Bud Elliott has tracked what he calls the "Blue-Chip Ratio." According to Elliott, no team has ever won a national championship in the BCS or the CFP eras without having signed more four- and five-star recruits than two- and three-star recruits during the previous four recruiting classes.

The closest thing to a rule-breaker is, of course, 2010 Auburn. Last year, Elliott wrote that 2010 Auburn "no longer seems to meet 50 percent in the BCR" due to changes in historical recruiting data.
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What makes Newton's Heisman-winning campaign even more impressive in hindsight is the talent around him. None of the receivers he threw to or running backs he lined up with were drafted into the NFL. Only two of his linemen, Lee Ziemba and Brandon Mosley, were. (The duo played a combined 28 games in the league.)
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Depending on your perspective, the 2010 Auburn offense was either the greatest one-man show in modern college football history, a collection of top-notch role players surrounding a generational talent or something in-between.
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In total, Auburn's 2010 national championship team produced just seven draft picks.

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Fireball should reach out to JFF now for an endorsement deal.

greg.w.h said:

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Is it really that hard to say something nice about one of the most electric players of all time? One who everyone in the country wanted to watch every time he took the filed? Hell, it's easy to say something negative about anyone.

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Kirby said that all 4 of the Heisman winning quarterbacks in question (Burrow, Cam, Bryce, and JFF) had great days against Georgia's defense. He just took exception to all 4 being champions in response to some attendee's comment at the clinic.

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. . . "Alright, alright, alright, alright, I'm gonna go here for you. There's Heisman. Right? They all had great days vs. our defenses. All four of them [went] off on us in some way shape or form.". . .

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That seems nice and pretty good company for JFF.

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Pretty sure Kirby meant against his defense at Bama…but I'm old and easily confused???

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I doubt he meant that for Bryce since he was Alabama's QB and Burrow was at LSU while Kirby was at Georgia, but yeah I should have said Kirby's defenses.

Threehunprc8790 said:

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Really Don't understand all you Johnny Haters on here?? Was the most exciting time to be an Aggie fan.
I would bet most of you wish he had eligibility left!!

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Nobody hates him, but it's OK to wish he had:
1) been raised better by parents who just let him do whatever and didn't notice his psych issues
2) been more serious about football at A&M
3) been more serious about football after A&M

My now long deceased HS coach said there are 3 types of great players:
1) Those that are naturally gifted
2) Those who work their asses off to make up for their lack of natural gifts
3) Those who are naturally gifted and work their asses off.

JFF was definitely a #1. But it's OK to regret that he didn't make the effort to be a #3, because he might have been one of the greatest of all time at any level if he had.

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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evestor1 said:

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dont really care what kirby smart had to say. he is a great coach, but matters zero in the big picture.


JFF was absolutely a champion. you could not hold the guy down. he had a lot of great players surrounding him that all fed off of each other.

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Without JFF, A&M doesn't come back and beat Duke. He literally put the team on his back. On the field, not many better, off the field, the demons took control.

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That game was over when Duke pussed out before half and kicked a field goal from the 1 milimeter line instead of going for it. They could have been up 42-17 at halftime, but settled for 38-17.

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So what are you saying, Manziel didn't take over that game and win it?

Surely not, right?

He is Ass My Dude said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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evestor1 said:

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dont really care what kirby smart had to say. he is a great coach, but matters zero in the big picture.


JFF was absolutely a champion. you could not hold the guy down. he had a lot of great players surrounding him that all fed off of each other.

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Without JFF, A&M doesn't come back and beat Duke. He literally put the team on his back. On the field, not many better, off the field, the demons took control.

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That game was over when Duke pussed out before half and kicked a field goal from the 1 milimeter line instead of going for it. They could have been up 42-17 at halftime, but settled for 38-17.

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So what are you saying, Manziel didn't take over that game and win it?

Surely not, right?

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That's not even close to what I said.

TyperWoods said:

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At least JFF doesn't wear a visor, to my knowledge

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Actually he almost always put on a visor after we put the second string in.

It's because Johnny single handedly made Kirby's defense at Alabama look mediocre at best. This is the only trash he could talk. He's still pissed about it.

JFF waffle stomped Kirby's defense and he is still butt hurt about it. Little *****....

Leave it to Sports Illustrated to create click bait.

Nothing wrong with his approach, but I would've liked to see where his it was headed. He was obviously trying to make a point (I think about his defense), but the clip shuts down after SI got their digs in.