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mjhhawk
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Insert your *but the production only led us to 8-5* jokes here. I still think it has to be somewhat of a good thing in this era of NIL to have this much playing experience.

Team
Ret Prod
Off (Rk)
Def (Rk)1. Clemson
81%
86% (1)
75% (7)
2. Arizona St.
79%
78% (4)
79% (2)
3. Illinois
76%
78% (5)
75% (8)
4. Texas Tech
75%
68% (25)
82% (1)
5. Kennesaw St.
73%
69% (24)
78% (3)
6. Texas A&M
71%
70% (19)
73% (12)
7. Rutgers
71%
80% (2)
62% (38)
8. Vanderbilt
70%
68% (28)
73% (10)
9. Boise St.
69%
75% (9)
64% (31)
10. Oklahoma
69%
78% (6)
60% (46)
11. Baylor
68%
72% (15)
65% (26)
12. Cincinnati
68%
65% (42)
71% (16)
13. Stanford
67%
59% (63)
76% (6)
14. South Florida
67%
66% (38)
68% (17)
15. Liberty
66%
61% (56)
72% (13)
16. Arizona
66%
70% (20)
62% (33)
17. Missouri St.
66%
76% (8)
56% (63)
18. Florida
66%
66% (36)
65% (25)
19. Troy
66%
64% (43)
68% (19)
20. Delaware
65%
54% (77)
76% (4)
21. New Mexico St.
65%
69% (22)
61% (42)
22. Auburn
65%
70% (21)
59% (48)
23. Houston
65%
68% (29)
61% (41)
24. UL-Monroe
64%
57% (70)
72% (15)
25. Wisconsin
64%
67% (34)
62% (39)
26. Ga. Tech
64%
64% (45)
65% (27)
27. Pittsburgh
64%
67% (31)
61% (43)
28. Wyoming
64%
79% (3)
48% (92)
29. Michigan
64%
63% (47)
64% (28)
30. Michigan St.
63%
72% (17)
55% (64)
31. UTSA
63%
77% (7)
49% (89)
32. Boston College
63%
62% (53)
64% (29)
33. Penn St.
63%
72% (14)
53% (73)
34. Navy
63%
73% (12)
52% (78)
35. Alabama
63%
63% (46)
62% (37)
36. NC St.
62%
71% (18)
53% (72)
37. Miss. St.
62%
57% (71)
67% (20)
38. LSU
62%
65% (41)
59% (51)
39. Oregon St.
62%
57% (69)
66% (24)
40. Minnesota
62%
50% (83)
73% (11)
41. Utah
61%
72% (16)
51% (81)
42. Ga. Southern
61%
66% (37)
56% (62)
43. UTEP
61%
75% (10)
47% (97)
44. Indiana
61%
61% (55)
60% (45)
45. BYU
61%
69% (23)
53% (75)
46. Virginia
61%
60% (59)
62% (40)
47. Florida St.
61%
62% (52)
59% (49)
48. Toledo
60%
75% (11)
46% (100)
49. TCU
60%
64% (44)
57% (56)
50. Nebraska
60%
68% (30)
53% (74)
51. Missouri
60%
44% (100)
76% (5)
52. Kentucky
60%
63% (48)
56% (61)
53. James Madison
59%
67% (32)
51% (80)
54. Ohio
59%
55% (75)
62% (36)
55. Iowa St.
58%
58% (66)
59% (50)
56. Kansas St.
58%
62% (51)
54% (69)
57. Northwestern
58%
54% (76)
62% (35)
58. Tennessee
58%
49% (87)
67% (22)
59. Duke
58%
60% (60)
56% (60)
60. Louisville
58%
58% (64)
57% (54)
61. Hawaii
58%
58% (67)
58% (53)
62. Notre Dame
57%
49% (88)
66% (23)
63. San Jose St.
57%
57% (68)
57% (55)
64. Arkansas
57%
65% (39)
49% (88)
65. Iowa
57%
67% (35)
48% (95)
66. Old Dominion
57%
46% (93)
68% (18)
67. Buffalo
57%
41% (105)
73% (9)
68. S. Alabama
57%
63% (50)
51% (79)
69. Middle Tenn.
56%
58% (65)
55% (67)
70. Tulane
56%
48% (90)
63% (32)
71. S. Carolina
56%
65% (40)
46% (99)
72. Air Force
56%
68% (27)
43% (107)
73. So. Miss
55%
73% (13)
37% (117)
74. UConn
55%
68% (26)
42% (110)
75. Miami
55%
51% (82)
58% (52)
76. Kansas
54%
61% (54)
47% (96)
77. Va. Tech
54%
52% (80)
56% (59)
78. SMU
53%
56% (73)
51% (83)
79. N. Texas
53%
43% (103)
64% (30)
80. Cent. Mich.
53%
46% (94)
60% (47)
81. N. Carolina
53%
52% (81)
54% (70)
82. San Diego St.
52%
33% (123)
72% (14)
83. California
52%
56% (74)
49% (91)
84. Washington
52%
48% (91)
55% (65)
85. Maryland
51%
48% (89)
54% (71)
86. Army
51%
34% (119)
67% (21)
87. Temple
51%
59% (62)
43% (109)
88. Wake Forest
50%
43% (101)
57% (58)
89. Colorado
50%
44% (99)
55% (66)
90. Syracuse
50%
37% (115)
62% (34)
91. Akron
49%
60% (58)
38% (116)
92. Colorado St.
48%
60% (57)
36% (119)
93. La. Tech
48%
50% (84)
45% (102)
94. Tulsa
47%
42% (104)
52% (76)
95. East. Mich.
47%
43% (102)
51% (82)
96. Coastal Caro.
47%
63% (49)
31% (125)
97. USC
46%
50% (85)
43% (108)
98. W. Virginia
46%
38% (113)
55% (68)
99. Georgia St.
46%
53% (79)
40% (115)
100. Arkansas St.
46%
67% (33)
26% (130)
101. Ohio St.
46%
47% (92)
45% (103)
102. FIU
45%
44% (98)
46% (98)
103. Texas
45%
29% (126)
61% (44)
104. Oklahoma St.
45%
32% (124)
57% (57)
105. Georgia
45%
41% (108)
48% (93)
106. UCF
45%
41% (106)
48% (94)
107. East Carolina
44%
57% (72)
31% (126)
108. App. St.
43%
34% (120)
52% (77)
109. Oregon
43%
41% (109)
46% (101)
110. Kent St.
43%
36% (118)
50% (84)
111. UCLA
43%
53% (78)
33% (124)
112. FAU
42%
50% (86)
34% (120)
113. Ole Miss
42%
39% (111)
45% (104)
114. Louisiana
41%
41% (107)
41% (113)
115. Texas St.
40%
40% (110)
41% (112)
116. Fresno St.
40%
36% (116)
44% (105)
117. Sam Houston
40%
60% (61)
20% (135)
118. Rice
39%
29% (127)
50% (86)
119. Memphis
39%
45% (96)
33% (121)
120. UAB
39%
38% (112)
40% (114)
121. Bowling Green
38%
45% (95)
30% (127)
122. UMass
37%
45% (97)
28% (129)
123. West. Mich.
37%
24% (132)
49% (90)
124. Utah St.
36%
22% (133)
50% (85)
125. West. Kent.
34%
36% (117)
33% (122)
126. Ball St.
32%
21% (134)
44% (106)
127. Purdue
32%
27% (130)
37% (118)
128. Miami-OH
32%
15% (136)
49% (87)
129. UNLV
32%
34% (121)
30% (128)
130. Marshall
32%
31% (125)
33% (123)
131. Charlotte
30%
18% (135)
41% (111)
132. Nevada
29%
33% (122)
26% (132)
133. J'ville St.
28%
37% (114)
19% (136)
134. Wash. St.
27%
29% (129)
26% (131)
135. New Mexico
27%
29% (128)
25% (133)
136. N. Illinois
23%
25% (131)
22% (134)


mjhhawk
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For the TLDR crowd turned off by my sloppy copy and paste job.

Aggies are 6th in the country. 1st in the SEC .
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mjhhawk said:

For the TLDR crowd turned off by my sloppy copy and paste job.

Aggies are 6th in the country. 1st in the SEC .
I was impressed by your attention span. Not so much by mine on the other hand…
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We should win a lot of games this fall. When other big time teams have a ton of returning talented starters and most of their opponents (regardless of venue) are in a rebuild they stack wins. Hopefully we can too. If not, I think it ends quickly for this regime.
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That list....long and distinguished, like my Johnson.
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I hope our returning production will help us to go an undefeated 7-0 in home games and at least 2-3 in 5 road games at Notre Dame, Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, and Texas.
Aggie Dad 26
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I'm waiting for 4 to say what many of us are thinking. I got a blue stars for you Sir when you do
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We also had the top recruiting class at one time. How did that turn out for us?
soleta27
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These numbers were a lot more important in the pre- transfer days
NoahAg
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If the production underperformed last year do we really care if it returns?
Ugly
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I can't guarantee my formatting will be any better, but for those interested in just the SEC:

Rank_Team_______RP%___Off RP% (Off Rank)_Def RP% (Def Rank)
6.___Texas A&M___71%____70% (19)________73% (12)
8.___Vanderbilt____70%____68% (28)________73% (10)
10.__Oklahoma____69%____78% (6)_________60% (46)
18.__Florida_______66%____66% (36)________65% (25)
22.__Auburn______65%____70% (21)________59% (48)
35.__Alabama_____63%____63% (46)________62% (37)
37.__Miss. St._____62%____57% (71)________67% (20)
38.__LSU_________62%____65% (41)________59% (51)
51.__Missouri_____60%____44% (100)_______76% (5)
52.__Kentucky____60%____63% (48)________56% (61)
58.__Tennessee___58%____49% (87)________67% (22)
64.__Arkansas____57%____65% (39)________49% (88)
71.__S. Carolina___56%____65% (40)________46% (99)
103._Texas_______45%____29% (126)_______61% (44)
105._Georgia_____45%____41% (108)_______48% (93)
113._Ole Miss_____42%____39% (111)_______45% (104)

And for those who care, since they are on our schedule nest year:
62. Notre Dame____57%____49% (88)________66% (23)

As a reminder, returning production is generally a fair indicator on average of whether a team with improve or decline, with many exceptions. Per Conelly, teams at 70% have improved 70% of the time, with those teams that improve boosting their SP+ rating by an average of 7.1 points. Meanwhile teams with returning production of 50% or less regressed 75% of the time, and 50% of those regressions were by 10 points or more.
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soleta27 said:

These numbers were a lot more important in the pre- transfer days
Transfers get accounted for in returning production, which admittedly skews a little (since 11 starts at school X is probably not the same as 11 starts at school Y).
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Ugly said:

soleta27 said:

These numbers were a lot more important in the pre- transfer days
Transfers get accounted for in returning production, which admittedly skews a little (since 11 starts at school X is probably not the same as 11 starts at school Y).


Do they because I didn't think they did.

From my understanding it's return production at the school.

Edit

Looks like ESPN does take transfers into consideration.
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vander54 said:

Ugly said:

soleta27 said:

These numbers were a lot more important in the pre- transfer days
Transfers get accounted for in returning production, which admittedly skews a little (since 11 starts at school X is probably not the same as 11 starts at school Y).


Do they because I didn't think they did.

From my understanding it's return production at the school.

Edit

Looks like ESPN does take transfers into consideration.
"For returning production, I mash an incoming player's production from his previous team into the numerator and denominator for his new team. (Because the translation in moving from the lower levels of the sport to the FBS is extremely inconsistent, I give only half-credit for players transferring up from lower divisions.) So if your quarterback leaves, and you bring in a transfer who was productive elsewhere -- hello, Miami (Carson Beck) and Indiana (Fernando Mendoza) -- that dampens the blow of your QB leaving."
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Texas 8&4. Rinse and repeat.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
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How is production defined in this ranking? Just yards or just point or some kind of combo of multiple stats?

Interesting Clemson is #1, no transfers in seems to have an affect on no transfers out. ASU that high on offense is surprising, wonder if they're including Skattebo's production since I think he could technically play another year in college.
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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

How is production defined in this ranking? Just yards or just point or some kind of combo of multiple stats?

Interesting Clemson is #1, no transfers in seems to have an affect on no transfers out. ASU that high on offense is surprising, wonder if they're including Skattebo's production since I think he could technically play another year in college.
For offense it is:
Percent of returning OL snaps: 40% of the overall number
Percent of returning WR/TE receiving yards: 35%
Percent of returning QB passing yards: 22%
Percent of returning RB rushing yards: 3%

For defense it is:
Percent of returning snaps: 66%
Percent of returning tackles: 19%
Percent of returning tackles for loss: 15%


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NoahAg said:

If the production underperformed last year do we really care if it returns?
Yes we really care!!! Most college athletes improve considerably from year to year getting bigger, stronger, faster, and more experience. And we have one of the best strength & conditioning coaches in the business. Retaining production is an indicator of the program's direction..
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zooguy96 said:

Texas 8&4. Rinse and repeat.
zooguy96, I looked at some of your post.
Everything sucks, basketball, baseball, football, security lights.... you having a bad run?
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NoahAg said:

If the production underperformed last year do we really care if it returns?

Well, maybe it didn't underperform. Maybe it just needed another year in the oven, another year in the system.

tu sucked three years ago. The next year, with most of the same talent, they were better. The next year, even better. The key is to keep the wheat, lose the chaff, and add more wheat via the portal.
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NoahAg said:

If the production underperformed last year do we really care if it returns?


There it is
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RUGuys4Real said:

zooguy96 said:

Texas 8&4. Rinse and repeat.
zooguy96, I looked at some of your post.
Everything sucks, basketball, baseball, football, security lights.... you having a bad run?

You mean like a bad run of pretty much not winning anything of significance for nearly 100 years?
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Till the spring ball starts and half the starters are out
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How much returning production did Ohio st. Have kast year?
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Kozmozag said:

How much returning production did Ohio st. Have kast year?
61% after finishing #4 in SP+ the previous year. Given that 61% is pretty close to the "No change" mark for returning production, that seems pretty accurate.
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