another correction...

Sherman's recruiting and development in the secondary was atrocious

A&M only had 2 DB's drafted between 2008 and 2014

6th round pick and 7th round pick

Look at Sherman's record.

NFL: 5943 (.578)

NCAA: 2527 (.481)

Overall: 84-70 (.545)

He was a bad hire and we were right to cut him loose when we did.

neAGle96 said:

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JFF wouldnt have won the heisman and probably wouldn't have started.

Our w/L record for 2012 likely wouldnt have been as good, but our recruiting would have been better

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I don't remember exactly when it was, but Rossley basically said Johnny was the guy if Tannehill went down. Showers was the backup, but that's because they didn't want to burn Johnny's shirt with garbage time playing. Rossley was really sold on Johnny. I think he definitely starts 2012.

2012 record probably would have been about the same. Go back and look at how the SECW finished. Auburn and Arkansas were horrifically bad. I think Ole Miss was 5-7 or 6-7. MSU finished I think 8-5. The only really great trans we played were Florida, Alabama, and LSU. I don't think it's unrealistic that we take one of those, and then we're even.

I don't like this thread.

Bison said:

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If Sherman had had Sumlin as his OC, maybe he coaches until two years after Sumlin (inevitably) leaves.

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No, KK. That was the brains of that outfit

Maybe, but his reluctance about joining the SEC I think was the final straw

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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mike sherman is one of the best first half coach's i have ever seen and he is the worst second half coach i have ever seen.

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Sherman didn't have the depth to keep the momentum going in the second half. Franchione or what ever his name was, left Sherman with a bare cupboard! If Sherman could have had another couple of years he may have won MANY more ball games.

2011, never forget

Bobaloo said:

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Sherman would have been a perfect coach for A&M if he was a better coach.

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This is some hard hitting analysis right here.

Sherman was a good OL/OC coach for Slocum. However, by 2011 I recall Loftin strongly hinting that Sherman was not enthusiastic about the coming SEC season in 2012. I think that uncertainty or lack of conviction played a role in his termination.

Sumlin made sure to come on strong with his 'Get a dog!' outlook. It worked for a good start in the SEC, though it wasn't sustained.

Cap'n Bill, '67

Sherman - Great talent evaluator and Personal Motivator not TEAM, but Personal hence Von Miller's steady growth. Getting the most out of the 3-4 star lineman and such. The 2nd half collapses were unacceptable especially when they were so predictable.

Sumlin - Swing and a miss here. A weak minded man who succumbed to the money and fame similar to his star QB and rode his stardom to a new contract, divorce and severe drinking problem. Sumlin could've been a good hire but he just couldn't get his mind right. You'd think that Nick Saban would've taken a chance on him to help him rehab his image like he had done to many but I'm guessing he was too far gone.

Jimbo - We disregarded the warnings from FSU fans and made the splash hire thinking we got an amazing coach. We didn't want to see the snake in the grass that he was and it definitely came to bite us in the ass. Great recruiter and at times was a decent play caller, but he never could get over the hump and overlooked way too many character issues when recruiting and focused solely on grabbing the best and highest rated "talent" and alienated Texas HS FB coaches which is a no no.

Elko - We will see. Flashes of great play followed by bonehead decisions, poor tackling and discipline issues plagued us throughout the year. Hopefully he can right the ship, he has a tough road ahead because he has to fix the culture that was broken during Jimbo era, mend relationships with HS coaches that were damaged, drill into the players to finish plays and buy into the culture.

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He also made the gutsy move to bench Jerrod Johnson, a talented and beloved QB who was turning the ball over too much, to switch to Tannehill.

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Turned the ball over too much is an understatement. But it wasn't a gutsy call. Johnson lost a fumble in the first half against FIU. I don't recall if that's when his shoulder got injured. But after halftime, he came out with zero zip on the ball. The next 7 passes resulted in 2 completions, 1 incompletion, and 4 interceptions. Yet, Sherman didn't pull him. Luckily we were able to come from behind or FIU would be on the wall of shame too. Next week against Okie State, 4 more interceptions. Two more losses and shakyness against Kansas (3-9, 1-7 Big XII) and Sherman FINALLY made the call. By then everyone knew Johnson wasn't 100% and had known for about 1/3 of the season.

Sherman was a good coach and knew football. But he struggled to adapt to new situations. The second half collapses were not some fluke or bad luck. It was a symptom of his personality trait. The other team would adjust, and we would not. It's what got him fired. Not anything really football related, but his boss's boss decided we were going to the SEC and Sherman wasn't on board. Here is some career advice, when your company president says the company is making a big change, you need to say "Yes sir!" and get onboard with that change. If you have reservations, bring those up in private.

Sumlin was about 75% swing and 25% miss

many folks forget...Sumlin was 43-17 thru 60 games after the overtime thriller vs. Tennessee in 2016

then things fell apart when Trevor got hurt the following week at State

that 4-1/2 year stretch was the program's best since the dying days of the SWC in the early 90's

and the best stretch of the 21st century so far for aggie football

MaroonRevival said:

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I think Charlie Strong was let go too soon.



See? We can all post stupid ****.

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And Tom Hermensa…

Hank Foldberg would have lead us to a NC if only we give him one more year...

Bobaloo said:

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Sherman would have been a perfect coach for A&M if he was a better coach.

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lol

I'd be a perfect coach for A&M…if I was a better coach

W said:

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many folks forget...Sumlin was 43-17 thru 60 games after the overtime thriller vs. Tennessee in 2016

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What YOU'RE forgetting is that at least 18 of those 43 wins (almost half) were against teams with either losing records or non-FBS teams. An ADDITIONAL 13 of those wins were against teams that had winning records, but finished the year with fewer wins than we did -- in most cases, several fewer games (or were non-P5). Teams like SMU, Rice, La Tech, and Nevada.

Besides, that is still a .717 winning percentage. .75 is good; .80 is REALLY good. Bud Wilkinson is at .826 while Osborne and Switzer are right around .835 each. The period you're speaking of, even if it did contain good wins more than a quarter of the time, wasn't comparatively that good.