The undying support that Aggies have for their football team means that regardless of the record on the field, Kyle will almost certainly have large numbers of attendees. Looking at the attendance record (https://12thman.com/facilities/kyle-field/1), the Miami game the weekend after the disappointing 2022 App State loss was #7 in all time attendance. The weekend after losing to a Sun Belt team at home, 107,000 people showed up.

Ultimately, the athletics department is a business. It serves to generate revenue and publicity for the university. When the football team is worth 1B (according to some estimates), is there really any pressure to change? What motivates the athletics department to win?

I am not advocating that we don't show up to games at Kyle. I think the 12th Man is an excellent tradition that gives us identity. But how do we communicate financially that we aren't satisfied with the product on the field? How do we get the athletics department to want to win?

Revenue is not $1B.

Worth is $1B and I'm not sure how they valued each school.

Thanks for the correction, my bad.

I'm pretty sure the Athletics Dept. wants to win. The 12th Man is one of the great traditions in CFB. The Seahawks pay us for the rights to use the name. Keep the tradition, keep attendance, and keep the faith.

Could it be sold for $1B?

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Revenue is not $1B.

Worth is $1B and I'm not sure how they valued each school.

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Didn't we play Miami the week after App State? I feel like context matters

I see this alot: "fans are too loyal and so we will never succeed at a high level". I am open to the possibility, I suppose. But, I have never seen anyone support it with anything other than a hunch.

Anyone have anything to support this? Does regular season attendance/revenue slump at Bama, OSU (insert a team you want to emulate here) when they are 8-4 vs. when they have 1 or 2 losses? What changes are made and how does that get them back to elite record? If yes, can you tell which is the chicken and which is the egg? It seems unlikely that this holds water.

Just curious if anyone who stands on this notion has ever really looked at it and wants to share.

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I see this alot: "fans are too loyal and so we will never succeed at a high level". I am open to the possibility, I suppose. But, I have never seen anyone support it with anything other than a hunch.

Anyone have anything to support this? Does regular season attendance/revenue slump at Bama, OSU (insert a team you want to emulate here) when they are 8-4 vs. when they have 1 or 2 losses? What changes are made and how does that get them back to elite record? If yes, can you tell which is the chicken and which is the egg? It seems unlikely that this holds water.

Just curious if anyone who stands on this notion has ever really looked at it and wants to share.

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I agree. The only thing I could see slumping attendance helping is ticket/hotel/concession costs.

I'll try to gather data to make a more objective argument later today.

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How do we get the athletics department to want to win?

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You think the Athletic Department doesn't want to win? Please provide an example and be specific.

I don't think there is any real concern that the fans displeasure isn't being heard. It comes across loud and clear through forums like these, social media, etc. All hear and see the same thing. That isn't the lever to pull to force the team to get better. That lever has already been pulled, and hard.

Classof25Battler said:

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The undying support that Aggies have for their football team means that regardless of the record on the field, Kyle will almost certainly have large numbers of attendees. Looking at the attendance record (https://12thman.com/facilities/kyle-field/1), the Miami game the weekend after the disappointing 2022 App State loss was #7 in all time attendance. The weekend after losing to a Sun Belt team at home, 107,000 people showed up.

Ultimately, the athletics department is a business. It serves to generate revenue and publicity for the university. When the football team is worth 1B (according to some estimates), is there really any pressure to change? What motivates the athletics department to win?

I am not advocating that we don't show up to games at Kyle. I think the 12th Man is an excellent tradition that gives us identity. But how do we communicate financially that we aren't satisfied with the product on the field? How do we get the athletics department to want to win?

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First, the idea that "we" could organize an effort to have any significant impact on the revenue of A&M's athletic department is just wrong. There aren't enough relevant people that would hop on board.

Second, I see these types of posts quite often, and I never understand how people can think that any action intended to reduce the revenue generated will somehow kick the athletic department into gear. Less money means less resources to establish the goal.

We haven't competed for anything significant on a consistent basis because we aren't good enough. We haven't aligned talented players with a scheme that maximizes that talent because ultimately we missed on coaching hires (TBD on Elko). It's that simple. To think that the answer to that is to boycott or deprive the program of funds is just lazy and ignorant.

I say all this as someone who donates $0 to the program, so maybe my opinion isn't relevant.