were coached by our coaches last year?

Reynold at Duke by Elko and Howard at KSU by Klein?

Interesting.

Look at their completion pct improvements. Good teams will help, but the path to the national championship typically runs through a very good QB.

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Amazing what playing with three 5 star receivers, a 4 star tight end, four 4-5 star linemen, a 5 star running back and a 4 star running back can do for a QB.

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We averaged 4.5 stars on our D line in our 2 deep…

It definitely helped York.

Eso si made my point for me. When you have highly talented help around you, you do better.

Panama Red said:

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It definitely helped York.

Eso si made my point for me. When you have highly talented help around you, you do better.

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Quite amazing what giving a QB time to develop, surrounding them with high level teammates along with decent protection (OL) can accomplish. If Klein and Elko were as bad as many on here want us to believe then neither of those QBs would've sniffed the field.

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Panama Red said:

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It definitely helped York.

Eso si made my point for me. When you have highly talented help around you, you do better.

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Quite amazing what giving a QB time to develop, surrounding them with high level teammates along with decent protection (OL) can accomplish. If Klein and Elko were as bad as many on here want us to believe then neither of those QBs would've sniffed the field.

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the exact opposite logic would make more sense. Lol

Panama Red said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Amazing what playing with three 5 star receivers, a 4 star tight end, four 4-5 star linemen, a 5 star running back and a 4 star running back can do for a QB.

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it's play/route design. If you watch the game, it's the schemes and route-designs for the WRs by their offensive coordinator gets them open. And the QB did great passing too.

Being 23 years old is certainly a plus.

Having WR's who can make catches when their fingernails are scraping the grass helps. I'm not sure how many of those were brilliant design.

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Having WR's who can make catches when their fingernails are scraping the grass helps. I'm not sure how many of those were brilliant design.

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That first TD pass to Smith had him schemed all alone. I think I could have completed that pass

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And they both went to teams that had a ton of talent which covered up any short falls they may have had. Especially Leonard.

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They both went to programs with a winning culture

jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Those are my thoughts. Was it a mediocre KSU team or Klein holding him back?

Probably a bit of both.

zafzo said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Those are my thoughts. Was it a mediocre KSU team or Klein holding him back?

Probably a bit of both.

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And Howard was a backup mostly, wasn't he? Was he just not good or did they fail to properly evaluate talent and intangibles?

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were coached by our coaches last year?

Reynold at Duke by Elko and Howard at KSU by Klein?

Interesting.

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Who is Reynold? You can't be a complainer, if you don't know who you're complaining about.

Pretty sure "Reynold" did not ever play for Elko- or even for ND.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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were coached by our coaches last year?

Reynold at Duke by Elko and Howard at KSU by Klein?

Interesting.

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Who is Reynold? You can't be a complainer, if you don't know who you're complaining about.

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https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3520840/replies/69411039

Is it surprising?

AggieDruggist89 said:

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zafzo said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Those are my thoughts. Was it a mediocre KSU team or Klein holding him back?

Probably a bit of both.

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And Howard was a backup mostly, wasn't he? Was he just not good or did they fail to properly evaluate talent and intangibles?

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He started 12 games last year and 7 the year before missing some with injury. Had 111 total touchdowns in college. Played in at least 6 games in all 5 years in college. No he's not been primarily a backup.

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Panama Red said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Amazing what playing with three 5 star receivers, a 4 star tight end, four 4-5 star linemen, a 5 star running back and a 4 star running back can do for a QB.

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it's play/route design. If you watch the game, it's the schemes and route-designs for the WRs by their offensive coordinator gets them open. And the QB did great passing too.

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No it's not. If it was, Chip Kelly would still be in the NFL or would have won more games at UCLA.

When Ohio State's wide receivers found out that some quarterback from Kansas State named Will Howard would be the guy throwing them passes in 2024, they weren't sure what to think.

"I didn't know much," wideout Brandon Innis said. "I didn't watch a lot of K-State games."

Innis wasn't alone. Until this season, not many other people knew much about Howard either. He was a middling prospect ranked 882nd in his class who had spent four years toiling away in Manhattan, Kan., at a program with an all-time losing record. This wasn't exactly the profile of a player who was expected to take the wheel for one of the most talented offenses in the country.

Back when he was being recruited, the kid from the Philadelphia suburbs dreamed of starring for Penn State. His only offers, however, came from the likes of Bowling Green, Rutgers and Temple. He ended up at Kansas State, where his freshman year coincided with the pandemic and he was pressed into a starting role during another losing season.

The next four years brought little to write home about. Though Kansas State won a Big 12 Conference title in 2022, Howard was benched midseason in each of his last two years.

The 882nd Ranked Recruit Who Just Won Ohio State a Championship - WSJ

zafzo said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Those are my thoughts. Was it a mediocre KSU team or Klein holding him back?

Probably a bit of both.

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Entirely different offense. That's the answer.

That first drive by ND is what Klein wants out of his QB nine QB runs up the gut.

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AWP 97 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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were coached by our coaches last year?

Reynold at Duke by Elko and Howard at KSU by Klein?

Interesting.

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Who is Reynold? You can't be a complainer, if you don't know who you're complaining about.

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https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3520840/replies/69411039

Is it surprising?

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given the username of the post in question....
isn't this a near perfect "username checks out" situation?

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Panama Red said:

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jt16 said:

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Will Howard's big jump in production after leaving Klein is concerning.

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Amazing what playing with three 5 star receivers, a 4 star tight end, four 4-5 star linemen, a 5 star running back and a 4 star running back can do for a QB.

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it's play/route design. If you watch the game, it's the schemes and route-designs for the WRs by their offensive coordinator gets them open. And the QB did great passing too.

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No it's not. If it was, Chip Kelly would still be in the NFL or would have won more games at UCLA.

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elite talent can create separation simply by being an elite talent.
unless they're being covered by a similar elite talents, of which it typically goes 50/50 on who wins that play.

that said, scheme matters.
but elite talent with most any decent scheme is gonna make said scheme look wayyyyyy better.

now in contrast, take a great scheme with average, to below average talent.
(whether you like it or not, that's us right now)
there's gonna be times where it'll look brilliant, and there's gonna be times where it'll look WTF.
especially if the opposing defense is pretty good, and/or has some elite talents themselves.