How things play out with the old playoff format.

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10:29p, 1/20/25

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Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

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HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I'm pretty sure 1 loss ND would have been rated higher than 2-loss Texas if it were 4 teams

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In reply to HoustonAggie427 • 10:39p, 1/20/25

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Or 2 loss Penn State.

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10:43p, 1/20/25

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And Ryan Day on the hot seat for missing the playoffs and the Michigan debacle.

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10:44p, 1/20/25

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Crazy to think…the last two times Ohio State won it all, they basically benefited from the new playoff format. 2014 1st year of the 4 team playoff, 2024 1st year of the 12 team playoff.

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In reply to HJack20 • 10:45p, 1/20/25

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HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I wish people would quit saying this, because its stupid.

1. There's no such metric as a regular season where Georgia, for example, played Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and t.u. and t.u. only played UGa.
2. There are other ways to "value" the regular season, and two are already built into the playoff: seeding and home field for the first round. Another, reseeding after every round would all but eliminate any (ridiculous in my opinion) argument about any supposed importance of the regular season.
3. College football may have some unique qualities, but it doesn't have to revert to baseball circa 1960s and before. In other words, it doesn't have to be the only major sport with a very limited playoff. At least back then, the regular season WAS the playoffs because of 150+ games and everyone played everyone multiple times.
4. The committee doesn't always get the seedings right. Even if the top 2-3 are right, 4 is almost always controversial. The playoff sorts incorrect seedings out, for the most part.
5. The regular season plays out on the field. Why can't the playoffs? Limiting playoffs and arguing it is "because" of the regular season doesn't make sense. Regular season schedules don't have home and home, its just one game. Should Ohio State win tonight, does Michigan claim the title (or at least a part of it) because they beat them? How about Northern Illinois if Notre Dame wins? The regular season should exist to set up the playoff and nothing more.
6. Finally, no one talks about any importance of a regular season, other than how a supposed good team blew their chances, in any other sport. I don't know why it keeps coming up in college football. They talk about getting the number one seed or home field/court advantage. PERIOD.

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In reply to NorthTexasAg22 • 10:47p, 1/20/25

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Crazy to think…the last two times Ohio State won it all, they basically benefited from the new playoff format. 2014 1st year of the 4 team playoff, 2024 1st year of the 12 team playoff.

The year is 2065. Ohio State gets blown out by Michigan to finish the season 1-11, with the sole win being against Akron. In the new 128 team playoff format, they are the 128th seed. They proceed to win 7 straight playoff games to win the national championship.

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In reply to HJack20 • 11:18p, 1/20/25

Age finish #129.

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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 11:25p, 1/20/25

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91AggieLawyer said:
HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I wish people would quit saying this, because its stupid.

1. There's no such metric as a regular season where Georgia, for example, played Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and t.u. and t.u. only played UGa.
2. There are other ways to "value" the regular season, and two are already built into the playoff: seeding and home field for the first round. Another, reseeding after every round would all but eliminate any (ridiculous in my opinion) argument about any supposed importance of the regular season.
3. College football may have some unique qualities, but it doesn't have to revert to baseball circa 1960s and before. In other words, it doesn't have to be the only major sport with a very limited playoff. At least back then, the regular season WAS the playoffs because of 150+ games and everyone played everyone multiple times.
4. The committee doesn't always get the seedings right. Even if the top 2-3 are right, 4 is almost always controversial. The playoff sorts incorrect seedings out, for the most part.
5. The regular season plays out on the field. Why can't the playoffs? Limiting playoffs and arguing it is "because" of the regular season doesn't make sense. Regular season schedules don't have home and home, its just one game. Should Ohio State win tonight, does Michigan claim the title (or at least a part of it) because they beat them? How about Northern Illinois if Notre Dame wins? The regular season should exist to set up the playoff and nothing more.
6. Finally, no one talks about any importance of a regular season, other than how a supposed good team blew their chances, in any other sport. I don't know why it keeps coming up in college football. They talk about getting the number one seed or home field/court advantage. PERIOD.

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In reply to HJack20 • 12:21a, 1/21/25

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HJack20 said:
NorthTexasAg22 said:
Crazy to think…the last two times Ohio State won it all, they basically benefited from the new playoff format. 2014 1st year of the 4 team playoff, 2024 1st year of the 12 team playoff.

The year is 2065. Ohio State gets blown out by Michigan to finish the season 1-11, with the sole win being against Akron. In the new 128 team playoff format, they are the 128th seed. They proceed to win 7 straight playoff games to win the national championship.

So has Earth slowed down in orbit or has the orbit moved away from the sun to create the extended year?

Is it colder now? Are we playing a football/ice hockey hybrid?

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7:55a, 1/21/25

They won't do it because of the bowls, but this year should show the importance of home field advantage and why it should play a bigger factor in the playoffs. Give me games on campus until the championship like we do in the NFL. Reward the best teams from the regular season and their fans properly.

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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 8:19a, 1/21/25

91AggieLawyer said:
HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I wish people would quit saying this, because its stupid.

1. There's no such metric as a regular season where Georgia, for example, played Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and t.u. and t.u. only played UGa.
2. There are other ways to "value" the regular season, and two are already built into the playoff: seeding and home field for the first round. Another, reseeding after every round would all but eliminate any (ridiculous in my opinion) argument about any supposed importance of the regular season.
3. College football may have some unique qualities, but it doesn't have to revert to baseball circa 1960s and before. In other words, it doesn't have to be the only major sport with a very limited playoff. At least back then, the regular season WAS the playoffs because of 150+ games and everyone played everyone multiple times.
4. The committee doesn't always get the seedings right. Even if the top 2-3 are right, 4 is almost always controversial. The playoff sorts incorrect seedings out, for the most part.
5. The regular season plays out on the field. Why can't the playoffs? Limiting playoffs and arguing it is "because" of the regular season doesn't make sense. Regular season schedules don't have home and home, its just one game. Should Ohio State win tonight, does Michigan claim the title (or at least a part of it) because they beat them? How about Northern Illinois if Notre Dame wins? The regular season should exist to set up the playoff and nothing more.
6. Finally, no one talks about any importance of a regular season, other than how a supposed good team blew their chances, in any other sport. I don't know why it keeps coming up in college football. They talk about getting the number one seed or home field/court advantage. PERIOD.

Agree 100%

It's so stupid to whine about the regular season when there's so much disparity in schedules.

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In reply to HJack20 • 12:06p, 1/21/25

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HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I couldn't disagree more. How many more regular season games were relevant this year from a playoff perspective? Just because ND or Ohio State wouldn't have made a 4-team playoff based on a set of rules that are equally as arbitrary as those driving a 12-team playoff, you suggest the system is flawed?

If anything, I think this year's playoff showed its exact purpose. It gave the best team in the country a chance to win the national title. Sure, the argument could be made that the loss to Michigan should have excluded Ohio St from the opportunity to participate for a title. My counter to that is there is no logical argument to support the idea that Ohio St didn't show it was the best team in the country over the last 4 games they played. Destroyed Tennessee, destroyed Oregon, beat Texas, and then physically overwhelmed ND for most of the title game. They were penalized for the loss in terms of seeding.

The only change I'd make is the seeding and awarding of byes to conference champs, but I understand some concessions had to be made to get everyone to agree. It's not a perfect system, but I think we need to see more than one year's worth of the system in order to form a reasonable opinion on it.

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In reply to HJack20 • 12:10p, 1/21/25

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HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

Presents data to support the 12 team playoff. Comes to a conclusion not based on that data. Typical.

The proper conclusion is that you can easily lose two games in the regular season and be the best team in the country by a pretty comfortable margin.

The second thing this champ game proves is that Herbstreet will cry if OSU wins a title.

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12:14p, 1/21/25

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Four team playoff was stupid. Thanks for playing.

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In reply to Agmaniacmike12 • 12:47p, 1/21/25

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They won't do it because of the bowls, but this year should show the importance of home field advantage and why it should play a bigger factor in the playoffs. Give me games on campus until the championship like we do in the NFL. Reward the best teams from the regular season and their fans properly.

People are overplaying the value of home field advantage. The home teams looked really good in the first round because the away teams didn't belong. They would have been blown out no matter where the game was played.

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12:51p, 1/21/25

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I don't know...

the new 12-team format rendered the Michigan-Ohio State game meaningless

which definitely diminished the regular season

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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 1:01p, 1/21/25

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91AggieLawyer said:
HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I wish people would quit saying this, because its stupid.

1. There's no such metric as a regular season where Georgia, for example, played Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and t.u. and t.u. only played UGa.
2. There are other ways to "value" the regular season, and two are already built into the playoff: seeding and home field for the first round. Another, reseeding after every round would all but eliminate any (ridiculous in my opinion) argument about any supposed importance of the regular season.
3. College football may have some unique qualities, but it doesn't have to revert to baseball circa 1960s and before. In other words, it doesn't have to be the only major sport with a very limited playoff. At least back then, the regular season WAS the playoffs because of 150+ games and everyone played everyone multiple times.
4. The committee doesn't always get the seedings right. Even if the top 2-3 are right, 4 is almost always controversial. The playoff sorts incorrect seedings out, for the most part.
5. The regular season plays out on the field. Why can't the playoffs? Limiting playoffs and arguing it is "because" of the regular season doesn't make sense. Regular season schedules don't have home and home, its just one game. Should Ohio State win tonight, does Michigan claim the title (or at least a part of it) because they beat them? How about Northern Illinois if Notre Dame wins? The regular season should exist to set up the playoff and nothing more.
6. Finally, no one talks about any importance of a regular season, other than how a supposed good team blew their chances, in any other sport. I don't know why it keeps coming up in college football. They talk about getting the number one seed or home field/court advantage. PERIOD.

Let's go to 32 team playoffs only to bump it to 64. Lord knows the best 4 loss team should be included.

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...... the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

Not at all. The significance of losing one or two games has been diminished. The importance of the regular season has been magnified 10x.

Before, 90% of the regular season was diminished by October 15th.

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In reply to W • 1:29p, 1/21/25

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W said:
I don't know...

the new 12-team format rendered the Michigan-Ohio State game meaningless

which definitely diminished the regular season

gave them a worse seeding….tho didn't deserve home field.

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In reply to TXAG 05 • 1:30p, 1/21/25

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TXAG 05 said:
Agmaniacmike12 said:
They won't do it because of the bowls, but this year should show the importance of home field advantage and why it should play a bigger factor in the playoffs. Give me games on campus until the championship like we do in the NFL. Reward the best teams from the regular season and their fans properly.

People are overplaying the value of home field advantage. The home teams looked really good in the first round because the away teams didn't belong. They would have been blown out no matter where the game was played.

Lol. The away teams in round 1 have beat their share of good teams. They'd be way more likely to pull an upset at home or neutral stadium, like Arizona State almost did.

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In reply to HoustonAggie427 • 1:31p, 1/21/25

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HoustonAggie427 said:
HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I'm pretty sure 1 loss ND would have been rated higher than 2-loss Texas if it were 4 teams

No way. Sips 2nd loss was from a conference-title game. I'd imagine they kick out Penn St for ND & Sips.

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In reply to HJack20 • 1:32p, 1/21/25

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HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

Sips would've won the championship. Thank goodness for the playoff expansion.

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In reply to W • 11:12p, 1/23/25

W said:
I don't know...

the new 12-team format rendered the Michigan-Ohio State game meaningless

which definitely diminished the regular season

Big Amen! I'm sure those who love expanded playoffs, are those who played for high schools who couldn't win their districts back in the day!

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In reply to HoustonAggie427 • 9:42a, 1/24/25

HoustonAggie427 said:
HJack20 said:
Final CFP rankings were:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State

My guess is Texas and Penn State are flipped to avoid conference rematches.
But neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State are in the playoff. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the importance of the regular season has been diminished with the 12 team playoff.

I'm pretty sure 1 loss ND would have been rated higher than 2-loss Texas if it were 4 teams

Possibly but I'm not so sure. Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois in the reg season. Texas lost to Georgia.

Notre Dame didn't play in a conference title game, Texas lost in OT vs Georgia again in a conference championship.

They wouldn't punish Texas for that and would likely compare the two reg season schedule results where both went 11-1 and Texas had the "better loss".

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