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Archaic NCAA rules eventually going away..

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maroonthrunthru
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Prediction thread:

Someone sues…

If you're enrolled in a school as a student… grad or undergrad… you can play sports, regardless what you may or may not have done previously…

No redshirting, no "eligibility left"… etc…

It's coming…
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A bunch of NFL washouts would all of a sudden "finish their degree" and partake in the NIL paycheck.
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Doubt that one goes away completely. There may be some tweaks but it won't be gone.
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I agree. I don't see it changing because it creates a backup in the pipeline. All of a sudden there are no roster spots after a couple years because why bring in an 18 year old when you can have a team of physically developed and experienced 24-28 year olds.
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wangus12 said:

I agree. I don't see it changing because it creates a backup in the pipeline. All of a sudden there are no roster spots after a couple years because why bring in an 18 year old when you can have a team of physically developed and experienced 24-28 year olds.

It's not about the NCAA wanting to change the eligibilty rules, it's about courts telling them they have to.
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Why even have them be students at all? Most of them really aren't, anyways. Just make it the Jr. NFL and have it be age-restricted.
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There is no age restriction now, is there? You have guys who have bounced around who are in their mid to late 20's. I think they'll use the precedent that it's already sort of allowed; Chris Weinke, Mark Farris, Brandon Weeden, Akili Smith, Drew Henson, Monte Harrison, etc. type situations. I think the argument will be why does the specific sport matter, especially as the game basically decouples from the University in an academic sense.
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GIF Reactor said:

There is no age restriction now, is there? You have guys who have bounced around who are in their mid to late 20's. I think they'll use the precedent that it's already sort of allowed; Chris Weinke, Mark Farris, Brandon Weeden, Akili Smith, Drew Henson, Monte Harrison, etc. type situations. I think the argument will be why does the specific sport matter, especially as the game basically decouples from the University in an academic sense.


There's no age restriction, just eligibility restrictions based on how many years you are played and if you played pro sports

He one I can see going away is the one where you leave early and play pro call and thus can no longer play college ball

I can see them having it where kids can leave early, flame out in the nfl and then come back to college for one more season as long as they are enrolled in classes.

I still think they will have a 4 year playing limit






Farmer_J
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What is the legal basis for only four years of eligibility?

That will be the court case.
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HS kids will almost assuredly go to junior colleges where they can get bigger and get stronger without hurting their eligibility. Then, they can go to the semi-pro model of having paid players that have unlimited time to play at the top level for as long as the player wants. For example, a future JFF could still be the QB here, even into his 30s if he wants and if the coach wants him. That's where a GM will come into play and probably a salary cap.
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Agreed. Ive said fora long time this is coming as the football team moves more to just be "affiliated" with a school but not really part of the school...which i also think is coming.
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I think from a court/law perspective they will be able to keep the student part. But when NIL was announced I thought the 4 year eligibility or professional experience making a player ineligible would be changed if it was ever challenged in court.

Why limit how m much money a person can make?
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This is the way it should be. If you are enrolled in a university you should be allowed to compete for that university. The only shouldn't I can see being allowed is you must make progress toward a degree, but even that may be struck down.

It's coming
S.A. Aggie
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Do they even take the SAT's anymore? I know. Stupid question.
Milwaukees Best Light
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S.A. Aggie said:

Do they even take the SAT's anymore? I know. Stupid question.

Speed, Agility, Tackling?
greg.w.h
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Iowaggie said:

I think from a court/law perspective they will be able to keep the student part. But when NIL was announced I thought the 4 year eligibility or professional experience making a player ineligible would be changed if it was ever challenged in court.

Why limit how m much money a person can make?
The only thing expanding it supports with actual academic progress is student athletes completing baccalaureate level degrees or now quite a few complete a masters. The Alston settlement requires more competition on educational benefits and tacking on funding for a PhD program is a potentially competitive benefit. But given the Ivies allow exactly four years of eligibility with very few exceptions leaves me thinking that might stand. If the student athlete can squeeze in a masters so be it.

Tack on years due to a medical redshirt don't really improve their marjetability at the pro level. The redshirt for a true freshman has some value to the school for development purposes.

But after whatever the House settlement looks like after finally approved it adds $20+ million and subtracts from especially mid-level schools to fund the backward looking portions of the settlement.

In addition there will be lawsuits over Title IX supposed infractions in the House settlement even though the judge said she can't consider that in the decision/settlrment.

This can shake out several ways:

1. All parties return before the court periodically to update the settlement to reflect changes in revenue.

2. Collective Bargaining Agreements replace the settlement and offer some anti-trust immunity.

3. Some schools crackdown on costs by gradually decreasing non-revenue sports to make up for the internal NIL payments for their own use of their student-athletes' NIL.

While I am absolutely sure the giant schools with very deep alumni pockets will continue funding all of this, the new definition of someone associated with the program likely for trim pay for play external NIL but the NCAA needs legal footing for doing so without triggering more anti-trust suits. I'm not sure the House settlement will be sufficient for that.
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Age restrictions would solve some of this problems/issues.
greg.w.h
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BTKAG97 said:

Age restrictions would solve some of this problems/issues.
There are some in effect if you ever enroll. But the NJCAA ruling might decouple junior college and senior college rules permanently. They need a comprehensive agreement with students not imposed on students. I'm not sure the member institutions can stop thinking like totalitarians long enough…
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It will end up being Texas A&M Athletics Inc. A team owned by the university.
An example, in Monterrey Mexico, the 8 time Mexican Soccer League champion Tigres (Tigers) is the official team of the state university. None of the players attend the university.
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12mn95 said:

It will end up being Texas A&M Athletics Inc. A team owned by the university.
An example, in Monterrey Mexico, the 8 time Mexican Soccer League champion Tigres (Tigers) is the official team of the state university. None of the players attend the university.
Or one step further: All the eligibility, school attendance, restrictions go away, and the teams are minor league professional teams. Just like pro NFL teams relocate, maybe we can finally win by renaming "Alabama's" football operation and paying them to relocate to Kyle Field, lol! Just pay for the whole damn operation to move to Kyle. (I'm kidding...)
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alamogeorge said:

A bunch of NFL washouts would all of a sudden "finish their degree" and partake in the NIL paycheck.
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

S.A. Aggie said:

Do they even take the SAT's anymore? I know. Stupid question.

Speed, Agility, Tackling?
Subway, Ankles, Tattoos ?
12mn95
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Whaler said:

12mn95 said:

It will end up being Texas A&M Athletics Inc. A team owned by the university.
An example, in Monterrey Mexico, the 8 time Mexican Soccer League champion Tigres (Tigers) is the official team of the state university. None of the players attend the university.
Or one step further: All the eligibility, school attendance, restrictions go away, and the teams are minor league professional teams. Just like pro NFL teams relocate, maybe we can finally win by renaming "Alabama's" football operation and paying them to relocate to Kyle Field, lol! Just pay for the whole damn operation to move to Kyle. (I'm kidding...)
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greg.w.h
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greg.w.h said:

Iowaggie said:

I think from a court/law perspective they will be able to keep the student part. But when NIL was announced I thought the 4 year eligibility or professional experience making a player ineligible would be changed if it was ever challenged in court.

Why limit how m much money a person can make?
The only thing expanding it supports with actual academic progress is student athletes completing baccalaureate level degrees or now quite a few complete a masters. The Alston settlement requires more competition on educational benefits and tacking on funding for a PhD program is a potentially competitive benefit. But given the Ivies allow exactly four years of eligibility with very few exceptions leaves me thinking that might stand. If the student athlete can squeeze in a masters so be it.

Tack on years due to a medical redshirt don't really improve their marjetability at the pro level. The redshirt for a true freshman has some value to the school for development purposes.

But after whatever the House settlement looks like after finally approved it adds $20+ million and subtracts from especially mid-level schools to fund the backward looking portions of the settlement.

In addition there will be lawsuits over Title IX supposed infractions in the House settlement even though the judge said she can't consider that in the decision/settlrment.

This can shake out several ways:

1. All parties return before the court periodically to update the settlement to reflect changes in revenue.

2. Collective Bargaining Agreements replace the settlement and offer some anti-trust immunity.

3. Some schools crackdown on costs by gradually decreasing non-revenue sports to make up for the internal NIL payments for their own use of their student-athletes' NIL.

While I am absolutely sure the giant schools with very deep alumni pockets will continue funding all of this, the new definition of someone associated with the program likely for trim pay for play external NIL but the NCAA needs legal footing for doing so without triggering more anti-trust suits. I'm not sure the House settlement will be sufficient for that.
Update:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
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