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Players going pro early coming back to college ball?

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Southlake
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Just wondering now that NIL and Transfer Portal stuff is in place, what's to keep a player who went pro with
college eligibility remaining from coming back to college to play for pay or scholarship?

Used to be once a player accepted money and professional status, he couldn't ever play college ball, but now that college players are getting paid, what's to stop a player from coming back??

Do you think this will eventually be an option?
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Every rule in the NCAA playbook deserves to be tested. Hope that helps.
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Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
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I could definitely see someone trying that at some point

Leave early as a junior, flame out a c then come back for one more season in college

Heck, pavia got his juco years wiped out

Feels like just about anything is in play to be challenged now

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I've wondered the same thing. Taking it a step further, who is the NCAA to say a player not good enough to play pro ball in the NFL, shouldn't be able to play pro ball at the college level for 6 or 7 years, lol.
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Bring back Myles, Madubuike, Bobby Brown, and Von. D-line issue solved.
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Technically, NIL is not being paid to play. Again, technically and contractually, but we all know the reality. But still, contractually NIL is far different than a pro contract.

Second, eligibility isn't just x years. It's also relative to when you enroll. So you couldn't get drafted after your junior year, give it a go for 3 years, then go back to college.

Now, as said in this thread, everything is getting tested. But, as it sits, at least those aspects would need to be challenged.

I wouldn't be shocked if they were challenged, though. I mean eliminating years at a juco as not counting towards eligibility seems more far fetched than this lol.
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Ron McKelvey checking in for another year on the 40 acres
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htxag09 said:


Second, eligibility isn't just x years. It's also relative to when you enroll. So you couldn't get drafted after your junior year, give it a go for 3 years, then go back to college.



Yeah, I think this is the thing - eligibility, which I'm sure could be challenged, "starts" when you enroll. It would have to be a weird combination of a guy that goes pro early, flames out fast and then comes back. I would almost expect a test case to be a guy that enters the draft as a JR, goes undrafted, and then immediately petitions to play his SR season.
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Is it because many of these universities are publicly funded that they are subject to so much of this? Otherwise, at what point does a grown up and remind everyone this is not indentured servitude. These are voluntary agreements by individuals to participate but also abide by the rules set forth by the institutions. The idea of challenging all the rules because of their constitutionality is absurd. I have the right to free speech, which means I can't be persecuted by the government for something I say. That doesn't mean in a private business I can say whatever I want with no repercussions, I just can't be arrested for it. I can be thrown out, refused service, etc by the business. By the way these people are acting now in 'challenging all the rules', what's to stop someone from playing basketball and just refusing to dribble because they want to challenge the rules?

At some point, we have to remember sports have rules, and usually for a good reason. Some of it is to maintain the integrity of the game, some to keep the spectators happy and engaged. But no matter what, there are rules and that is what speerates the different sports from eachother. Don't like the rules, start a new league that has different rules and see if it works. XFL has tried this numerous times with little success. If we just do away with all these rules, what's to stop a High School sophomore from declaring for the draft (aside from the fact no one would pick them)? Or stop Tom Brady from going back to HS to show them? Why can't Barry Bonds hit with a metal bat? Why can't sprinters roid to the tits? And not even going down the route of the boys in girls sports. There are so many slippery slopes here that are being absolutely taken advantage of. The NCAA is firmly to blame for sticking their head in the sand for so long, but at what point do we say stop?

My only solution I can come up with is that college athletics goes back to the way it was. No NIL, play for the school and a scholarship, transfers have to sit, etc, etc. Again, this is a voluntary arrangement. If you don't like this, and think you are good enough to come straight out of high school and play in the NFL and get paid, go for it. If you don't get picked or signed as an UFA, college is no longer an option. You can stay in shape, workout, try to bounce around practice squads and free agent opportunities in the league, but can't go back to college to play. And I think all leagues should do this. Baseball basically already does. Basketball has done variations through the years.
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If a player goes undrafted and is a free agent, I think now they should sue to be able to come back. Why not? The NCAA is already at full-dumbass level.
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htxag09 said:

Technically, NIL is not being paid to play. Again, technically and contractually, but we all know the reality. But still, contractually NIL is far different than a pro contract.

Second, eligibility isn't just x years. It's also relative to when you enroll. So you couldn't get drafted after your junior year, give it a go for 3 years, then go back to college.

Now, as said in this thread, everything is getting tested. But, as it sits, at least those aspects would need to be challenged.

I wouldn't be shocked if they were challenged, though. I mean eliminating years at a juco as not counting towards eligibility seems more far fetched than this lol.
I can see a pro player with eligibility left who fizzled out or had an injury affect his pro career get a lawyer and argue that his right to make money at the collegiate level is being taken away by an archaic rule ironically says you can't play college if you've made money.

What about a player who goes pro and gets cut in training camp?

I think if there's money to be made, the law will eventually allow it, paving the way of a defined minor league or farm league that is defined as a college team in name only.

As Tom Petty said, The Future is Wide Open…
"Real skill comes without effort" - Mu Bai
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This idea sucks so much that I have no doubt it will eventually happen
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.

Welp, thank goodness he did.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
I'm going to use that for a conversation starter.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
Why would he have to lie about it?
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How long till the 4 years of eligibility rule gets knocked down?

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htxag09 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
Why would he have to lie about it?



Everyone at West Point is a D1 athlete. Required to sign something stating you have never received money for playing professionally. A lot of evidence of him playing under a pseudonym in the minor leagues for a year to save money for college.
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I can't wait to see which terrible NFL QB TexAgs wants to bring back to play QB for A&M.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

htxag09 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
Why would he have to lie about it?



Everyone at West Point is a D1 athlete. Required to sign something stating you have never received money for playing professionally. A lot of evidence of him playing under a pseudonym in the minor leagues for a year to save money for college.

Interesting, never knew that. Also a weird blanket agreement. I mean ncaa allows pro baseball players that skipped college to attend and play football after….
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ccolley68 said:

Is it because many of these universities are publicly funded that they are subject to so much of this? Otherwise, at what point does a grown up and remind everyone this is not indentured servitude. These are voluntary agreements by individuals to participate but also abide by the rules set forth by the institutions. The idea of challenging all the rules because of their constitutionality is absurd. I have the right to free speech, which means I can't be persecuted by the government for something I say. That doesn't mean in a private business I can say whatever I want with no repercussions, I just can't be arrested for it. I can be thrown out, refused service, etc by the business. By the way these people are acting now in 'challenging all the rules', what's to stop someone from playing basketball and just refusing to dribble because they want to challenge the rules?

At some point, we have to remember sports have rules, and usually for a good reason. Some of it is to maintain the integrity of the game, some to keep the spectators happy and engaged. But no matter what, there are rules and that is what speerates the different sports from eachother. Don't like the rules, start a new league that has different rules and see if it works. XFL has tried this numerous times with little success. If we just do away with all these rules, what's to stop a High School sophomore from declaring for the draft (aside from the fact no one would pick them)? Or stop Tom Brady from going back to HS to show them? Why can't Barry Bonds hit with a metal bat? Why can't sprinters roid to the tits? And not even going down the route of the boys in girls sports. There are so many slippery slopes here that are being absolutely taken advantage of. The NCAA is firmly to blame for sticking their head in the sand for so long, but at what point do we say stop?

My only solution I can come up with is that college athletics goes back to the way it was. No NIL, play for the school and a scholarship, transfers have to sit, etc, etc. Again, this is a voluntary arrangement. If you don't like this, and think you are good enough to come straight out of high school and play in the NFL and get paid, go for it. If you don't get picked or signed as an UFA, college is no longer an option. You can stay in shape, workout, try to bounce around practice squads and free agent opportunities in the league, but can't go back to college to play. And I think all leagues should do this. Baseball basically already does. Basketball has done variations through the years.
Can't say I disagree with what you're saying, but the keys are the "voluntary" in your third para, and the path to get there.
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htxag09 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
Why would he have to lie about it?
Since you asked so nicely…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateurism_in_the_NCAA
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Is it because many of these universities are publicly funded that they are subject to so much of this? Otherwise, at what point does a grown up and remind everyone this is not indentured servitude. These are voluntary agreements by individuals to participate but also abide by the rules set forth by the institutions. The idea of challenging all the rules because of their constitutionality is absurd. I have the right to free speech, which means I can't be persecuted by the government for something I say. That doesn't mean in a private business I can say whatever I want with no repercussions, I just can't be arrested for it. I can be thrown out, refused service, etc by the business. By the way these people are acting now in 'challenging all the rules', what's to stop someone from playing basketball and just refusing to dribble because they want to challenge the rules?
the challenges being made to the rules apply whether they are public or private entities.

the rules aren't being challenged as being unconstitutional. they are being challenged as violating antitrust laws.

your free speech diatribe really doesn't have anything to do with this.
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htxag09 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

htxag09 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Fun fact: Dwight D Eisenhower played Pro Baseball for a year or two then lied about it to go to West Point.
Why would he have to lie about it?



Everyone at West Point is a D1 athlete. Required to sign something stating you have never received money for playing professionally. A lot of evidence of him playing under a pseudonym in the minor leagues for a year to save money for college.

Interesting, never knew that. Also a weird blanket agreement. I mean ncaa allows pro baseball players that skipped college to attend and play football after….


1. Not sure the exact wording on West Point's agreement, especially one from the 1910's.
2. I know the Brandon Weeden situation, but my understanding is that someone like that still can't come back and play college in the sport he went pro in already. Which is what Eisenhower did at West Point (played minors for a year, then played college baseball).

Here is Mike Rowe talking about it.


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I thought he didn't make the baseball team, thought he played football.

Which, I guess would lead to him lying regardless if he wanted to play baseball there...
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According to WSVN 7News in Miami, Beck will make $4 million from the Hurricanes in the transfer portallanding him among the highest-paid players in college football.

That $4 million salary is no joke to play quarterback at any level. As pointed out by Barry Jackson and Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer, Beck will make more next season than a few starting NFL quarterbacks earned in 2024.

Eight quarterbacks started at least six games in '24 and made less than $4 million, including Tennessee Titans second-year signal-caller Will Levis, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Russell Wilson and San Francisco 49ers star Brock Purdy.

https://www.si.com/college-football/carson-beck-reported-nil-salary-miami-comparison-nfl-quarterbacks
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htxag09 said:

I thought he didn't make the baseball team, thought he played football.

Which, I guess would lead to him lying regardless if he wanted to play baseball there...
He played fullback at West Point.
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Southlake said:

Just wondering now that NIL and Transfer Portal stuff is in place, what's to keep a player who went pro with
college eligibility remaining from coming back to college to play for pay or scholarship?

Used to be once a player accepted money and professional status, he couldn't ever play college ball, but now that college players are getting paid, what's to stop a player from coming back??

Do you think this will eventually be an option?
I hope it never be an option!!!!
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What's not voluntary about it? They don't have to play college football. But if they choose to, those are the rules. They can take a chance and bet on themselves, and if it doesn't pan out, sorry.
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Sorry, not meant to have been a free speech diatribe, just me trying to understand how this was being challenged. I didn't realize it was anti-trust and not a constitutional thing. I thought the issue was they were somehow having their rights infringed upon.
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College football is starting to feel like a Fertitta restaurant. The product degradation and pricing are optimized for maximum profit from each customer. I still like it and choose to consume it but just barely.
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Gator92 said:



Is this because of all the litigation?

Or just more of what we've always seen with people like Chris Weinke?
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s this because of all the litigation?

Or just more of what we've always seen with people like Chris Weinke?
No.

This is same scenario as Weinke. But in the NIL/Portal era, it could pay off.

Walk on to S AL. Win some playing time. Transfer and get paid.
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htxag09 said:

I thought he didn't make the baseball team, thought he played football.

Which, I guess would lead to him lying regardless if he wanted to play baseball there...


Google says he played BB, FB and boxed at West Point.
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