Fegnomashic said:

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I'm telling you they don't know anything unless he told them himself. There is no mechanism for them to see medical records or do an evaluation before he gets on campus.

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Of course. I'm not suggesting they have super spies hired to circumvent HIPPA laws. But if I were them, I'd just simply ask the kid to supply his records to our doctors so we can evaluate whether or not we'd be willing to offer him a scholarship.

Donovan can give them his imaging and records all day long and he can give his doctor permission to speak to anyone he wants.

The SEC has been working on a way to transfer medical records between schools for these players, but it doesn't exist yet.

We have had players come in knowing very little about their previous injuries and when they get to campus they aren't quite where we thought they were. Some of it is that these guys just don't really know that much about their injuries and long term effects. Maybe they feel good at that exact moment, but when spring ball hits or a full season it's hard to predict how they will respond especially with a a significant knee injury.

About 80% of Div 1 football players return to their previous level of play after ACL reconstruction, but are always more prone to recurrent injury, especially meniscus tears. So maybe he's good to go, but LSU is definitely taking a chance on him.

romanagg11 said:

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I think their backup at the bowl game was unstoppable, so if he gets beat out by Green, A&M has a serious development problem. Good luck kid!

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Let me be the first to tell you that A&M has a serious development problem.

Cen-Tex said:

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Hope he gets a nice healthy raise $$

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He damn sure will not get an education.

Shoefly! said:

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Cen-Tex said:

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Hope he gets a nice healthy raise $$

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He damn sure will not get an education.

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You think many of these kids care about education ?

EricHill said:

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Shoefly! said:

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Cen-Tex said:

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Hope he gets a nice healthy raise $$

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He damn sure will not get an education.

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You think many of these kids care about education ?

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I would hope so but I guess I'm pessimistic about it.
If they could understand the hours put in is paying for their scholarship. NIL is just gravy on the toast!

Ag1188 said:

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I'm a big supporter of Green and even tweeted him my appreciation, but what a d***chebag move. That fckn dork.

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Can't tell if poor attempt at joke or not

Green was rumored to be closer to medically retiring than contributing here.

If he gets back to what he was, it could be a good pick up. But it's absolutely, 100% a flier as that is a big if.

He would have entered spring ball as 4th string TE in all likelihood and been in a major battle for that spot. We shall see if we made a mistake, or LSU just took a flier.

Again, another guy we didn't realistically try to keep.

As for development, we may very well have a problem, but that would be more under Fisher. Too early to say that's still the case now. Too much data out there that suggests year one is WAY too early to know. But even if we did have one, to me, attrition and evaluations were the bigger issues under Fisher.

Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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If he's finally healthy, this one doesn't make sense. And he must be, because I doubt a program like LSU would be interested otherwise.

And here we are needing a pass catching tight end...

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We're busy signing former walk-ons from Nebraska & Auburn

They have 10 catches between the 2 of em over the past 4 years

We're really good at finding, utilizing, & developing talent

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Green has 2 catches over the last 2 years. Obviously injury plays a role in that, but we aren't asking the new guys to catch 20 balls each.

TexAgs loves Green and makes him out to be some stud missing piece as a pass catcher. His freshman year he was outside the Top 80 Tight Ends in receiving. Decent player in his limited time. Nothing more. Good luck to him.

Green WAS a decent player in 2022 who is no where close to that this fall. Maybe another offseason can get him there, but it's a flier for LSU. No other way to look at it.

The difference? Nebraska was absolutely trying to keep Boerkircher. We didn't try to keep Green. We chose Boerkircher over Green, in fact. We recruited over Green and expected both guys to surpass him, actually.

Maybe Green ends up the best of the bunch and makes us look dumb for doing so, but that's just simply the truth of what happened.

beerad12man said:

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As for development, we may very well have a problem, but that would be more under Fisher. Too early to say that's still the case now. Too much data out there that suggests year one is WAY too early to know. But even if we did have one, to me, attrition and evaluations were the bigger issues under Fisher.

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Yep, ol' Jimbo got to puff his chest out on that #1 class, but it was littered with issues.

Evaluations were ***** The only thing good was just the "star" rating.

Retention was ***** Most of which we didn't want to stay anyway, but for it to really be that bad, it just goes back to the evaluations being *****

Development was ***** The few that did stay, they're not exactly filling up the NFL Draft boards.

I had high hopes for Jimbo, like most (if you're honest). But man, what an absolute sham.

TX_Aggie37 said:

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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If he's finally healthy, this one doesn't make sense. And he must be, because I doubt a program like LSU would be interested otherwise.

And here we are needing a pass catching tight end...

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We're busy signing former walk-ons from Nebraska & Auburn

They have 10 catches between the 2 of em over the past 4 years

We're really good at finding, utilizing, & developing talent

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Green has 2 catches over the last 2 years. Obviously injury plays a role in that, but we aren't asking the new guys to catch 20 balls each.

TexAgs loves Green and makes him out to be some stud missing piece as a pass catcher. His freshman year he was outside the Top 80 Tight Ends in receiving. Decent player in his limited time. Nothing more. Good luck to him.

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In '22 he was our top TE and 4th leading receiver overall. The guy can play if he's healthy. Maybe he never recovered, or maybe the coaching staff just went a different direction. Nobody here knows the answer but it's hard to fault the guy. He clearly tried to make it work here.

I mean, saying no one knows isn't really true. It's well known in the program he hasn't fully recovered and got back to where he was.

Now, no one knows for sure if he can't get back there.

rootube said:

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TX_Aggie37 said:

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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4 said:

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If he's finally healthy, this one doesn't make sense. And he must be, because I doubt a program like LSU would be interested otherwise.

And here we are needing a pass catching tight end...

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We're busy signing former walk-ons from Nebraska & Auburn

They have 10 catches between the 2 of em over the past 4 years

We're really good at finding, utilizing, & developing talent

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Green has 2 catches over the last 2 years. Obviously injury plays a role in that, but we aren't asking the new guys to catch 20 balls each.

TexAgs loves Green and makes him out to be some stud missing piece as a pass catcher. His freshman year he was outside the Top 80 Tight Ends in receiving. Decent player in his limited time. Nothing more. Good luck to him.

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In '22 he was our top TE and 4th leading receiver overall. The guy can play if he's healthy. Maybe he never recovered, or maybe the coaching staff just went a different direction. Nobody here knows the answer but it's hard to fault the guy. He clearly tried to make it work here.

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In 2022....
he was our top TE....

I remember him making some catches, and it seemed like there could be some promise there....but then again, we weren't very good in 2022....and i don't know that the TE room was very good at the time either....plus wasn't he a Freshman at the time??

Could this be a case where he was the best WE had at the time, but in reality may not have been all that great in the bigger picture?
Kinda that "tallest of the midgets" type of thing, but still a midget?

Given the injury, just hope he fully recovers and makes the best of the talent he has....whatever that may be, for whoever that may be.

rootube said:

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TX_Aggie37 said:

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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4 said:

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If he's finally healthy, this one doesn't make sense. And he must be, because I doubt a program like LSU would be interested otherwise.

And here we are needing a pass catching tight end...

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We're busy signing former walk-ons from Nebraska & Auburn

They have 10 catches between the 2 of em over the past 4 years

We're really good at finding, utilizing, & developing talent

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Green has 2 catches over the last 2 years. Obviously injury plays a role in that, but we aren't asking the new guys to catch 20 balls each.

TexAgs loves Green and makes him out to be some stud missing piece as a pass catcher. His freshman year he was outside the Top 80 Tight Ends in receiving. Decent player in his limited time. Nothing more. Good luck to him.

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In '22 he was our top TE and 4th leading receiver overall. The guy can play if he's healthy. Maybe he never recovered, or maybe the coaching staff just went a different direction. Nobody here knows the answer but it's hard to fault the guy. He clearly tried to make it work here.

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He was the top TE on a 5-7 football team that had the previous top TE leave for the draft only to become an undrafted flameout that ran a 5-second 40. The next best TE on the roster was recruited as a defensive end.

He was the 4th leading receiver on a 5-7 football team whose 3rd leading receiver was a running back. The 2nd leading receiver had as many or more catches, yards, and TDs in that season than in his next two combined under two different coaching staffs.

I have no issue with Green as a person or player. By all accounts he's a great dude and I'm happy to have had him on the team. His failure here is really no fault of his. Failure may have bad connotation, but he certainly wasn't a success story here. I just don't understand why he is viewed as a big loss. He's clearly not what the staff wants in that spot if he wasn't able to get any meaningful snaps in the offense despite appearing on special teams. Again, I say good luck to him.

Fegnomashic said:

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The SEC has been working on a way to transfer medical records between schools for these players, but it doesn't exist yet.

We have had players come in knowing very little about their previous injuries and when they get to campus they aren't quite where we thought they were. Some of it is that these guys just don't really know that much about their injuries and long term effects. Maybe they feel good at that exact moment, but when spring ball hits or a full season it's hard to predict how they will respond especially with a a significant knee injury.

About 80% of Div 1 football players return to their previous level of play after ACL reconstruction, but are always more prone to recurrent injury, especially meniscus tears. So maybe he's good to go, but LSU is definitely taking a chance on him.

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The only way this can be true is if the players are deemed employees and agree to a CBA as part of a union. Employers cannot require medical information unless it pertains to specific requirements of a job and even then collecting the records requires individual permission. The only instances where an individual signs away their HIPAA rights that aren't on an individual (case by case basis) are as part of a CBA.

Yes, correct.

This would only be used for after the players transfer so their new team would have a full-picture of their previous injury/treatment.