I thought I was all Sumlins fault?

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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Add me to the short list who thought it was dumb, dumb, dumb - especially after they did the same stupid **** with Sumlin.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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And they were dumb. If Jimbo could not remake loyal after all the money we threw at him+ facilities+ assistant money then BMA should have said "don't let the door hit you on the way out ".

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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It was a reasonable extension after being declared a single game out of the 2020 season four-team playoff. Remember we played only SEC teams and there was no way to calculate meaningful inter-conference strength of schedule. Pure eye test.

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It was also A&Ms weakest SEC schedule since we joined.

beerad12man said:

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We just recruited the 7th ranked class. We have the 6th ranked portal class. We are currently 2nd in the early going in 2026 with 3 five stars visiting us and national guys talking about us possibly landing the #1 class(and yes, despite the 2022 class, we should all want that). We are firmly in the top 10 and maybe top 5-7 in NIL despite the finances of Jimbo's contract. We are entering year 2 of a new staff that, and while we closed the season out poorly, they still took a program that was 12-13 the previous two years and had us one game away from the sec championship with about 14 transfers from Troy, Central Florida, San Diego State, Louisiana Tech, etc. on the field. A winning record in the sec for only the 4th time in 13 seasons (5-3)

Look, Elko may fall flat on his face and go 7-5 each of the next 2 years and be fired. More coaches than not are fired within 5 years than win a championship, and it's not a bad bet to say he will be. But do some of you not remember the fran years? the Sherman years?

This isn't even close to a program low point. There's plenty of reason for concern, and there's plenty of reason for optimism. We are in a very unknown territory right now with plenty of good and plenty of bad mixed in.

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How long have we been talking about our class ranks? At least as long at TA has been around.

How's that worked out for us?

I know you hinted at that to some extent, but with all that said, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? It can't be recruiting rankings because been there, done that. It can't be we were doing well at a certain point in the season only to suffer some bad losses, because, again, been there, done that. SURELY, it can't be that we should be glad since, compared to the Fran and Sherman years, we actually have hope. Once again, ...

Oh, never mind.

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No, it was super easy to see what teams we actually beat and how we beat them in 2020 if you just really evaluated after the season. Also, again you don't extend with that much time left on a contract. That is simple. I think Indiana and Arizona State could be kicking themselves with their extensions.

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You do if he has another offer in hand.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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Every poster thought that it was a bad idea at the time, but a **** ton of posters moved from snorting copium powder to injecting liquid copium because they knew there was nothing they could do about it other than delude themselves into thinking that kind of guarantee was somehow a bargain.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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Most posters on Texags would be terrible negotiators.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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The only justification to extend was the fear of him being poached. Most of us have no idea what that probability was, but I was on the side of those who figured it was idle sip talk messing with MBA insecurities.

There were a lot of us saying "not sure this is a good idea…"

I would love a forensic accounting investigation to what happens with all that $$$ after a big contract.

Are certain people pushing contracts to line their pockets with kickbacks?

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I would love a forensic accounting investigation to what happens with all that $$$ after a big contract.

Are certain people pushing contracts to line their pockets with kickbacks?

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Like building a $200 million indoor facility or redoing the weight room for the 3rd time in 14 years? Those reek of kickback deals.

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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They're easy to blame and are ultimately responsible as the decision lies with them, but that was an overwhelmingly popular decision on here at the time.

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How about the decision to pay Stoops buyout at Kentucky and bring him here at who knows what contract?
Anyone involved in that decision should not ever make another financial decision at Texas A&M University

The extension was insane, but it really speaks to a lack of confidence in this program by A&M decision makers.

When Jimbo got hired with a 10 year deal that was crazy enough. Of course things started looking up with a Top 5 finish. I certainly didn't want him to leave at the time, but the guy was already performing under an agreed upon contract. At a certain point, you need to have confidence that if your coach does leave that you have the ability and resources to replace them. A&M decision makers apparently didn't feel that way and made an unnecessary and bad deal for the program.

Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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They're easy to blame and are ultimately responsible as the decision lies with them, but that was an overwhelmingly popular decision on here at the time.

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For people who don't know football it was

For those who remember Jimbo/FLSt losing to UofH in the bowl game it wasn't

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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very few posters on texags thought that extension was a bad idea at the time.

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If y'all think you have it bad, some of us never wanted him in the first place (I wanted any coach BUT him), and we're still stuck in the same boat with the rest of you morons who did. Imagine how that feels.

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

beerad12man said:

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We just recruited the 7th ranked class. We have the 6th ranked portal class. We are currently 2nd in the early going in 2026 with 3 five stars visiting us and national guys talking about us possibly landing the #1 class(and yes, despite the 2022 class, we should all want that). We are firmly in the top 10 and maybe top 5-7 in NIL despite the finances of Jimbo's contract. We are entering year 2 of a new staff that, and while we closed the season out poorly, they still took a program that was 12-13 the previous two years and had us one game away from the sec championship with about 14 transfers from Troy, Central Florida, San Diego State, Louisiana Tech, etc. on the field. A winning record in the sec for only the 4th time in 13 seasons (5-3)

Look, Elko may fall flat on his face and go 7-5 each of the next 2 years and be fired. More coaches than not are fired within 5 years than win a championship, and it's not a bad bet to say he will be. But do some of you not remember the fran years? the Sherman years?

This isn't even close to a program low point. There's plenty of reason for concern, and there's plenty of reason for optimism. We are in a very unknown territory right now with plenty of good and plenty of bad mixed in.

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Bold of you to come into the zoo with all that level headed talk. This is a place where you let all of your personal sorrows out and project them onto the failures of our football program you know.

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Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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Agree, class of 96, I can never remember a time feeling more apathetic and resigned to our fate as a second tier, quirky outpost of college football as I do right now.

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sincereag said:

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refruiting

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This sounds like a recipe for disaster

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That's the Jimbo plan.
Just never really came to fruition

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Maroon Flash said:

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Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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Agree, class of 96, I can never remember a time feeling more apathetic and resigned to our fate as a second tier, quirky outpost of college football than I do right now.

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You in a coma during the Fran years?
Games like 0-77 that really could have been 0-100+??

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Bag said:

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Maroon Flash said:

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Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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Agree, class of 96, I can never remember a time feeling more apathetic and resigned to our fate as a second tier, quirky outpost of college football than I do right now.

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You in a coma during the Fran years?
Games like 0-77 that really could have been 0-100+??

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Have you been in been in a coma for 27 years?

The Fran era was 5 years removed from a conference championship.

We have been in the wilderness for almost 30 years, we can't even finish ranked in the top 25 90% of the time.

Nobody in sports, college or pros does less with more than Texas A&M football

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beerad12man said:

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We just recruited the 7th ranked class. We have the 6th ranked portal class. We are currently 2nd in the early going in 2026 with 3 five stars visiting us and national guys talking about us possibly landing the #1 class(and yes, despite the 2022 class, we should all want that). We are firmly in the top 10 and maybe top 5-7 in NIL despite the finances of Jimbo's contract. We are entering year 2 of a new staff that, and while we closed the season out poorly, they still took a program that was 12-13 the previous two years and had us one game away from the sec championship with about 14 transfers from Troy, Central Florida, San Diego State, Louisiana Tech, etc. on the field. A winning record in the sec for only the 4th time in 13 seasons (5-3)

Look, Elko may fall flat on his face and go 7-5 each of the next 2 years and be fired. More coaches than not are fired within 5 years than win a championship, and it's not a bad bet to say he will be. But do some of you not remember the fran years? the Sherman years?

This isn't even close to a program low point. There's plenty of reason for concern, and there's plenty of reason for optimism. We are in a very unknown territory right now with plenty of good and plenty of bad mixed in.

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How long have we been talking about our class ranks? At least as long at TA has been around.

How's that worked out for us?

I know you hinted at that to some extent, but with all that said, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? It can't be recruiting rankings because been there, done that. It can't be we were doing well at a certain point in the season only to suffer some bad losses, because, again, been there, done that. SURELY, it can't be that we should be glad since, compared to the Fran and Sherman years, we actually have hope. Once again, ...

Oh, never mind.

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You and your logicks…trying to change a stupid world…

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Bag said:

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Maroon Flash said:

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Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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Agree, class of 96, I can never remember a time feeling more apathetic and resigned to our fate as a second tier, quirky outpost of college football than I do right now.

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You in a coma during the Fran years?
Games like 0-77 that really could have been 0-100+??

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Have you been in been in a coma for 27 years?

The Fran era was 5 years removed from a conference championship.

We have been in the wilderness for almost 30 years, we can't even finish ranked in the top 25 90% of the time.

Nobody in sports, college or pros does less with more than Texas A&M football

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I know where we are.
And it's a long way from a low point.
Certainly not a high point either

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CoachLB said:

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

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He is going about building this team in the right way. I hate to play this card but I have years of playing and coaching experience to draw on. Sark first year- Texas fans-fire him. Saban first year at Bama-Bama fans bad hire. Fans make knee jerk reactions. With everything you said Elko won 8 in his first season with a make shift roster and one off season. I am afraid people with your take will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon.

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The insane extension is the killer. Now we are loaded with so much debt that it seems we will be a 2nd tier program for the foreseeable future.

Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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When were we a first tier program? How large are these tiers?

TxAg76 said:

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Bag said:

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TxAg76 said:

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Bag said:

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Maroon Flash said:

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Hate to say it but I have been loyal for almost 50 years and this feels like a low point.

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Agree, class of 96, I can never remember a time feeling more apathetic and resigned to our fate as a second tier, quirky outpost of college football than I do right now.

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You in a coma during the Fran years?
Games like 0-77 that really could have been 0-100+??

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Have you been in been in a coma for 27 years?

The Fran era was 5 years removed from a conference championship.

We have been in the wilderness for almost 30 years, we can't even finish ranked in the top 25 90% of the time.

Nobody in sports, college or pros does less with more than Texas A&M football

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I know where we are.
And it's a long way from a low point.
Certainly not a high point either

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I never said it was a low point, we are Texas 8&4, rinse repeat for 30 years, second tier, quirky outpost of college football, like I already stayed in my original post

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CoachLB said:

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

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He is going about building this team in the right way. I hate to play this card but I have years of playing and coaching experience to draw on. Sark first year- Texas fans-fire him. Saban first year at Bama-Bama fans bad hire. Fans make knee jerk reactions. With everything you said Elko won 8 in his first season with a make shift roster and one off season. I am afraid people with your take will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon.

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Most have a very bad misconception of where this program really is.
They think the roster is loaded up with all this Natty-caliber talent and all we need is the right coach. And that the right coach will win it all, almost immediately.
Which is wayyyyyyyy wrong.

I don't know if we have the right coach yet. But I like what he's doing so far.

But we're a LONG way away from having a Natty-caliber roster. And it's gonna take some time for us to build one up.

Right now we hover around 3-ish NFL Draft picks per year. The true perennial contenders put in around 10-ish. It's gonna take a minute for us to grow into that.

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CoachLB said:

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geoag58 said:

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CoachLB said:

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

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He is going about building this team in the right way. I hate to play this card but I have years of playing and coaching experience to draw on. Sark first year- Texas fans-fire him. Saban first year at Bama-Bama fans bad hire. Fans make knee jerk reactions. With everything you said Elko won 8 in his first season with a make shift roster and one off season. I am afraid people with your take will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon.

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Most have a very bad misconception of where this program really is.
They think the roster is loaded up with all this Natty-caliber talent and all we need is the right coach. And that the right coach will win it all, almost immediately.
Which is wayyyyyyyy wrong.

I don't know if we have the right coach yet. But I like what he's doing so far.

But we're a LONG way away from having a Natty-caliber roster. And it's gonna take some time for us to build one up.

Right now we hover around 3-ish NFL Draft picks per year. The true perennial contenders put in around 10-ish. It's gonna take a minute for us to grow into that.

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It's not going to take a minute or two to grow. It's going to take averaging winning 10 games a year starting next year. Anything short of that is failure.

geoag58 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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CoachLB said:

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geoag58 said:

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CoachLB said:

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

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He is going about building this team in the right way. I hate to play this card but I have years of playing and coaching experience to draw on. Sark first year- Texas fans-fire him. Saban first year at Bama-Bama fans bad hire. Fans make knee jerk reactions. With everything you said Elko won 8 in his first season with a make shift roster and one off season. I am afraid people with your take will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon.

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Most have a very bad misconception of where this program really is.
They think the roster is loaded up with all this Natty-caliber talent and all we need is the right coach. And that the right coach will win it all, almost immediately.
Which is wayyyyyyyy wrong.

I don't know if we have the right coach yet. But I like what he's doing so far.

But we're a LONG way away from having a Natty-caliber roster. And it's gonna take some time for us to build one up.

Right now we hover around 3-ish NFL Draft picks per year. The true perennial contenders put in around 10-ish. It's gonna take a minute for us to grow into that.

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It's not going to take a minute or two to grow. It's going to take averaging winning 10 games a year starting next year. Anything short of that is failure.

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You've gotta have better players than we do right now to win 10+ thru the SEC with any consistency.
If we start winning 10+ games per year in this conference, with rosters that only produce 3-ish draft picks per year, then you'll have the most over-achieving program in modern history

TxAg76 said:

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geoag58 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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CoachLB said:

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geoag58 said:

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CoachLB said:

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Texas hired Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. We made a bad decision on Jimbo and the extension. But it is not a death sentence. Honestly I like the direction Elko has the building of this team going. I really don't know why some people cannot see that.

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How many times have we heard the bolded only to be, not just beaten but embarrassed on the national stage. How do you explain away some of his game time decisions this year that probably cost us a game or two? Couple that with factors outside the purview of the coach, perceived cringyness of our school(agree or not that's our reputation because our rivals push that narrative constantly), meddling big money ag's and many are losing faith that our school can ever win it all.

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He is going about building this team in the right way. I hate to play this card but I have years of playing and coaching experience to draw on. Sark first year- Texas fans-fire him. Saban first year at Bama-Bama fans bad hire. Fans make knee jerk reactions. With everything you said Elko won 8 in his first season with a make shift roster and one off season. I am afraid people with your take will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon.

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Most have a very bad misconception of where this program really is.
They think the roster is loaded up with all this Natty-caliber talent and all we need is the right coach. And that the right coach will win it all, almost immediately.
Which is wayyyyyyyy wrong.

I don't know if we have the right coach yet. But I like what he's doing so far.

But we're a LONG way away from having a Natty-caliber roster. And it's gonna take some time for us to build one up.

Right now we hover around 3-ish NFL Draft picks per year. The true perennial contenders put in around 10-ish. It's gonna take a minute for us to grow into that.

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It's not going to take a minute or two to grow. It's going to take averaging winning 10 games a year starting next year. Anything short of that is failure.

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You've gotta have better players than we do right now to win 10+ thru the SEC with any consistency.
If we start winning 10+ games per year in this conference, with rosters that only produce 3-ish draft picks per year, then you'll have the most over-achieving program in modern history

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You're right. That said, right now we are a developmental program which means every 4-5 years the experience and talent should align for us to win 10+ games. If we want to become a top tier program that hovers between 9-3/11-1 then we first have to actually win 10 games when are supposed to. 2012 we did. 2016 we did not. 2020 we did. 2024 we did not. Luckily 2025 sets up for us to win a win big. If not, we are staring at new coaches in 22 months from now. At some point we have to win all the games we are supposed to a few we aren't. The stars are lining up for us to win 10 games next fall based on our returning talent experience and the fact that every road opponent will e replacing double digit amount of highly experienced starters.

Shoot…. just do a combo of Soccer friendlies and mega concerts this summer to keep funding. Also… why couldn't our NIL foundation put this on? No more different than athletic boosting of concession stands for high schools.

Right decision at the time

He then just did not give. A crap and below us

Jimbo is gone.

The money is gone.

We still have people who made bad decisions.

The original contract was fine. The extension and raise was neither earned, warranted, or needed.

I don't think Jimbo had any inclination to leave aTm for lsu, but if he did, F him, let him walk and hire someone who truly wants to be here. He had a top 5 salary when hired, maybe top 10 at the time, huge perks, big incentive $$ in contract.

He had not won the SEC, had not won the SEC West, all he did was have a 9-1 2020 season and won the Orange Bowl. We have had seasons like that in the past, that did not warrant a raise and extension, period. And if the raise and extension was given as we thought lsu was want to talk to him, so be it, he still had 5 or 6 years left on the contract. It was very stupid to give him the extension.

However, the biggest problem in both the original contract and extension was not having offsetting mitigation language for other employment or a stair-step / graduated payoff amount depending on # of years remaining.
Even Saban had offsetting mitigation language in his contract!!!

Elko's contract is perfect and the ONLY contract structure we should be offering, even if Saban wanted to come out of retirement to coach the Aggies.

But our contracts are stupid, we had to pay off Gumlin a lump sum amount in like 30 days, that is idiocy.