I thought we got Elko because we could afford him and his record at Duke showed that he could turn around a failing program. We didn't chase a bigger name because of money concerns. I don't like the last month of football this season, but I do think Elko succeeded in that stated goal. I don't know if he will ever be NC caliber though.

BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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So you are saying we go 10-3 next year and 14-1 in his third year?

TexasAggie_97 said:

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BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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So you are saying we go 10-3 next year and 14-1 in his third year?

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Reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

Sparkie said:

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TexasAggie_97 said:

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BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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So you are saying we go 10-3 next year and 14-1 in his third year?

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Reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

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No, it's just a dumbass analogy that continually gets brought up. What ND has done has no bearing on what A&M will do. Anybody that thinks Elko will have results close to what Freeman has done his first 3 years is delusional. Hell next year will be a harder schedule, and I doubt we get back to 9 wins let alone double digits. The more realistic outcome will be Elko is gone in 3-4 years, and we get to start all over again saying our coach needs 3 years to build his program. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat but maybe one day we will get lucky..

Medaggie said:

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Leaders lead by example. Well groomed, fit individuals command more respect that overweight, unhealthy people. This is just a fact of life.

Elko needs to get fit.

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This is true except for millions of examples proving you wrong. Some of the greatest leaders of the last century were out of shape, overweight aholes.

BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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We are never going to play a schedule as easy as ND's was this season. Granted they have won 2 playoff games, but you have to get to the playoffs first.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Medaggie said:

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Leaders lead by example. Well groomed, fit individuals command more respect that overweight, unhealthy people. This is just a fact of life.

Elko needs to get fit.

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This is true except for millions of examples proving you wrong. Some of the greatest leaders of the last century were out of shape, overweight aholes.

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This is a new generational thing.
I'm all for good health, but way too many people get way too caught up in how they look.
More time is spent worrying about how they look in a mirror, and how many "views" and "likes" they got on their social media posts than they do working on things of substance

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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We are never going to play a schedule as easy as ND's was this season. Granted they have won 2 playoff games, but you have to get to the playoffs first.

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No doubt that makes it easier. And the loss to Northern Illinois was inexcusable.

But ND is 2nd in opponent adjusted efficiency only to Ohio State this year. They would have likely won 10 games with most schedules and are playing great ball regardless of schedule.

For reference, in this same metric, Penn State is #4, Georgia is #8, and even Indiana was #7, they beat them back to back to back games. They've kind of proven they can take on good schedules.

Again, this is opponent adjusted efficiency already factoring in strength of schedule.

as we've seen many times in the past in many sports...

it's good to be a big fish in a little pond

and playing as an independent sets up ND to take advantage of the little pond every year

I literally never realized how much people hate fat people before the Elko era of this message board.

I would bet there is a large correlation between the posters hating on Elko for being fat with the ones who wouldn't shut up about Sumlin chewing gum or Jimbo talking too fast. My point being is that it's not really about his weight, it's just something simple they can latch their hate on.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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I would bet there is a large correlation between the posters hating on Elko for being fat with the ones who wouldn't shut up about Sumlin chewing gum or Jimbo talking too fast. My point being is that it's not really about his weight, it's just something simple they can latch their hate on.

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Probably less to do with hate and more to do with disappointment.

Why do we feel the need to compare coaches records like that? The reality is it's a crap shoot, and it is impossible to know if a coach/school is the right combination to win it all, and there is a 98% chance that it isn't. There are reasons for concern, there are reasons for hope, and one of them will be correct until they aren't.

As a lifelong Notre Dame hater, Freeman makes them palatable. He's a great coach and a great guy.
Plus, I think they can beat tu (if they get past Ohio's Taint)

TexasAggie_97 said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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I would bet there is a large correlation between the posters hating on Elko for being fat with the ones who wouldn't shut up about Sumlin chewing gum or Jimbo talking too fast. My point being is that it's not really about his weight, it's just something simple they can latch their hate on.

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Probably less to do with hate and more to do with disappointment.

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You misspelled insecurity

BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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No way his ND team doesn't lose 3 SEC games a year. Their offense is atrocious.

Andy Reid is a terrible coach in your world!

BigRedAg2031 said:

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In 3 years at Notre Dame Marcus Freeman's records are as follows:
2022- 9-4 (8-4 before the bowl)
2023- 10-3 (9-3 before the bowl)
2024- 14-1 (playing for the natty)

My point is… coaches aren't supposed to win the national championship in year one. Elko did exactly what Marcus Freeman did in year one, save for the bowl game, with a much more chaotic QB situation and a litany of injuries. We are still on track to be a successful football team, so the fire Elko crowd needs to chill out.

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Unlike modern day cfb refs, I'm flagging this for holding...espeically on this part:

"........ elko did exactly what MF did....."

9-4 vs 8-5, OP do you remember those hertz commericals from like the 90's - not Exactly

Based on our history of firing coaches based on soothing butthurt instead of improving the program, Freeman would have been fired after week 2…

There is absolutely nothing you can say to rationalize with folks who,already have their mind made up. There people who hate Elmo- and they will hate any coach hired because they will never match up to the recliner expert's standards, just a fact of Aggie sports fans life. It would not matter who have hired or will ver hire, they won't like the.

Medaggie said:

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Leaders lead by example. Well groomed, fit individuals command more respect that overweight, unhealthy people. This is just a fact of life.

Elko needs to get fit.

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Exactly! Like Andy Reid. Dude is jacked.

Medaggie said:

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Leaders lead by example. Well groomed, fit individuals command more respect that overweight, unhealthy people. This is just a fact of life.

Elko needs to get fit.

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Not gonna happen.

This is just a fact of life.

There are always going to be outliers. If you look unhealthy esp in a fit sport, it is hard to lead by example.

If Freeman tells you to run the extra mile, you suck it up because he does it.
If Elko tells you to run the extra mile, you run but then just make fun of him.

You still run but it is just not the same.

People who are overweight generally have less confidence and discipline than someone that is fit. No different than people who do well academically have more discipline than those who are bottom of their class.

But sure. Pick one of the few examples of a fat championship coach and I could give you 100 more than are not fat.

Not sure, but they did lose to Marshall and a Stanford team that won 3 games all year.

Y'all realize what Freeman did then and now has zero connection to what Elko might do in the future right?