2 teams in the Semis this year.

Notre Dame will be in the B1G sooner rather than later, so more like 2.5 teams in the Semis.

Won the Natty last year.

COULD win the Natty again this year.

Odds of a B1G or future B1G team winning the playoffs this year is 3:1.

Is the power shift from SEC to B1G beginning?

Discuss.

ultimately there are two clear winners the sec and big. because of that you are seeing a consolidation of talent coalesce into two leagues. best players money can buy. i think the field is becoming more even between the two leagues but i would not go so far as saying the big is the better conference in football and definitely not in the big three male sports.

College football is about as cyclical of a sport as there is. The Big Ten is the best conference right now, but that may not be true next year or the year after that. However, what can't be denied is that the Big Ten and the SEC are head and shoulders above all of the other conferences.

No - The Big 10 had more teams and more opportunities for a team to have a watered down schedule and back door their way into the CFP (Indiana). The SEC needs another 3 or 4 teams to create those same scenarios or else we'll continue to eat each other alive

Big Ten is currently 1st
SEC is 2nd
ACC and BDF are tied for 4th

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2 teams in the Semis this year.

Notre Dame will be in the B1G sooner rather than later, so more like 2.5 teams in the Semis.

Won the Natty last year.

COULD win the Natty again this year.

Odds of a B1G or future B1G team winning the playoffs this year is 3:1.

Is the power shift from SEC to B1G beginning?

Discuss.

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Thanks for the trolling! We missed you and wondered if you were banned again!!! Guess so…

Over a short sample size (two seasons), the BIG has had top end teams better than the SEC. I'll limit that to Michigan last year, and this year with Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State. Texas/UGA is probably the SEC's best this year and would be at the bottom of that list, maybe on the level of Penn state. If all you want to look at is top end schools and the eventual national champion,
Maybe you could say the Big10 has surpassed SEC. But to just dismiss the overall quality of teams 1-16 in each league is stupid. Regardless of one-off bowl outcomes With depleted rosters

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Over a short sample size (two seasons), the BIG has had top end teams better than the SEC. I'll limit that to Michigan last year, and this year with Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State. Texas/UGA is probably the SEC's best this year and would be at the bottom of that list, maybe on the level of Penn state. If all you want to look at is top end schools and the eventual national champion,
Maybe you could say the Big10 has surpassed SEC. But to just dismiss the overall quality of teams 1-16 in each league is stupid. Regardless of one-off bowl outcomes With depleted rosters

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I still don't think any of those top 3 Big 10 teams escape the SEC this year with less than 2 losses. Penn State probably gets 3-4.

But yes, while the top of the Big 10 is very good, the rest is below garbage. Those top teams don't have to face off against NFL talent week in and week out in front of the craziest fans in the sport. They get multiple off weeks in a row. It makes a difference.

It's a money game

Big 10 commish made a great tv deal

Sec idiot commish made an awful deal


B1G positioning moving forward is impressive

The big boys in the BIG have much less competition in the NIL bidding wars amongst themselves than the SEC.

There are probably only 4-6 out of 18 teams in the BIG that really compete in the NIL market and raid each other and National teams rosters for players. In the SEC, you have at least 10-12 of the 16 teams that are heavily engaged in pillaging each other and it is taking its toll.

I'd prefer to stay in SEC but it would be funny as hell if they offered us up a deal we couldn't refuse

Chad kinda called this, just sayin

The SEC almost doubles the B1G in projected elite talent. I don't think it is dead just yet.

I never said it was dead. But I do see the B1G winning at least half of the next 5-6 Nattys.

Going forward the race between the B1G and SEC may be more neck and neck than it has been.

Let's face it, the 2 decades of primarily SEC dominance is over.

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I never said it was dead. But I do see the B1G winning at least half of the next 5-6 Nattys.

Going forward the race between the B1G and SEC may be more neck and neck than it has been.

Let's face it, the 2 decades of primarily SEC dominance is over.

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Tends to happen when Nick Saban retires

Top to bottom, no.
At the top only, yeah probably, but you're only talking OhSt....and barely.
A full strength UGA would have been interesting to see vs OhSt.

And by the time you start going down the line for each conference, i think it starts to tilt pretty heavily toward the SEC, the deeper you go.

SEC still puts more draft picks into the NFL, by a longshot.
Until that changes, the SEC is still gonna be better, pound for pound.

Doesn't mean the other conferences won't have a top team (or top two teams) with a chance to play for the title though. Might even win it.
But it doesn't mean their conference as a whole is better.

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Big Ten is currently 1st
SEC is 2nd
ACC and BDF are tied for 4th

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Who is 3rd?

This year was a clinic in how important schedule is for success. Too many top competitors (teams power-ranked in the top 25 or so) and you have the chance to rack up too many L's, plus injury rates will be higher and there is certainly a mental aspect to losing several games as well. I think this is a big contributor to what happened to the PAC-12. They had a lot of years where they really weren't that far behind the other conferences, but they just had problems getting to the end of the season intact.

Theoretically, having the opposite happen (no significant competition) should bite you, but that only seems to apply to G5 teams these days (see: Indiana).

This regular season in the SEC was great because everybody had a schedule that scaled to their performance over the past 10 years. Half the conference was in the hunt for the SEC title game with a few weeks to go. If we had the post-season of 15 years ago, this would be the ideal format. However, with the 12-team format, if you make your regular season interesting, you shoot yourself in the foot post-season.

The lesson conferences should be taking from this is to put their fingers on the scales, ensure that the top competitors from their conference have no more than 2-3 major opponents, and as many cupcakes outside of that as possible. Any mid-tiers teams that could jump up and take a bite out of one of those top competitors should have an obnoxiously difficult schedule so that they can barely field a starting lineup when they face those top competitors. If all of that sounds dumb to you, that is because it is.

Saban made the SEC what it is today over the past 20 years. When you have someone so skilled at his craft, and you have to compete with him year in year out, it requires you to get better. He elevated every program in the SEC.

It will be interesting to see if SEC football programs get lazy now that he's gone. Kirby Smart could be the next guy like this, but I see him more as Dabo and not someone who can sustain that level of success.

Saban really carried the SEC's water for a long time. He's gone as is the Bama dynasty.

LSU/Auburn will pop we every 5 years, who knows with UGA's run. Sip will continue to be a pretender. Tennessee, A&M, OM clearly have ceilings

NIL has leveled the playing field. When Saban dominated, Bama's third string had more starts than most teams. Those days are over. The SEC has to compete on a more level playing field.

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NIL has leveled the playing field. When Saban dominated, Bama's third string had more starts than most teams. Those days are over. The SEC has to compete on a more level playing field.

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Maybe the Portal helped to level it. Some. Just with players bolting for playing time, without penalty.
But wide open NIL just means the rich are gonna feast even more so, while the rest fight for scraps.

NIL and the transfer portal helped level the playing field, but I suspect that the bluebloods will continue to dominate over all of the rest.

The Big10 is on the verge of owning college football right now. All they have to do is pick off a couple of ACC teams for instance Clemson & Florida State and a couple of big SEC teams and they will own college football.

They already have the west coast market, with USC, UCLA, UW & Oregon, and all of the Northeast as far down as Nebraska. All they lack are 4 southern venues to have the northern big10 schools and the 4 PAC schools to play in and they will have a nationwide footprint for their conference.

It will give the big10 four warm weather sites for games in November and will effectively gut the SEC at the same time. Having a footprint in the states of Texas & Floida would be a big time coup for the big10. . Another football National championship for the big10 in 2025 will more than likely get the ball rolling toward that end. I certainly wouldnt discount the prospect of that happening.

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All they have to do is pick off a couple of ACC teams for instance Clemson & Florida State and a couple of big SEC teams and they will own college football.

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Well that sounds simple!


Meanwhile, ESPN is throwing ACC a lifeline to keep those teams in the fold.

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I'd prefer to stay in SEC but it would be funny as hell if they offered us up a deal we couldn't refuse

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You know those *****es would just add the sips right after.

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I'd prefer to stay in SEC but it would be funny as hell if they offered us up a deal we couldn't refuse

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You know those *****es would just add the sips right after.

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Texas always preferred the Big Ten…and OU and Mizzou likely do, too.

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All they have to do is pick off a couple of ACC teams for instance Clemson & Florida State and a couple of big SEC teams and they will own college football.

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Well that sounds simple!


Meanwhile, ESPN is throwing ACC a lifeline to keep those teams in the fold.

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I think pretty soon we see some movement by ESPN to shuffle some ACC teams into the SEC in order to proactively protect their investment long term. UNC, Clemson, FSU, and 1-3 others.

Kind of ridiculous to argue the B1G is better overall. They have top tier schools in football like OSU, PSU, USC, Oregon and UM, but they also have about 6-7 doormats in that league that exist only to get eaten alive by the better programs and another 3-4 that have never been better than mediocre.

The SEC on the other hand really only has Vandy, Kentucky and Miss State as long time losing/mediocre programs. The depth is just incredible in the league. Just in the last 25ish years, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU and Tennessee (OU and tu also if we now count them) have all won national championships. While teams like Arkansas, A&M, Mizzou have spent time ranked and even in the top 10 at various points during that period.

The path the playoffs is obviously better right now for the B1G because of the lack of depth, but I wouldn't equate playoff appearances with better conference because right now the playing field isn't equal.

Again, SEC, 8 teams with nattys in recent history, B1G, 3 teams.

If the B1G wants to be better they need to build out that depth and maybe trim some fat.

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Saban really carried the SEC's water for a long time. He's gone as is the Bama dynasty.

LSU/Auburn will pop we every 5 years, who knows with UGA's run. Sip will continue to be a pretender. Tennessee, A&M, OM clearly have ceilings

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this is very true

Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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It's a money game

Big 10 commish made a great tv deal

Sec idiot commish made an awful deal


B1G positioning moving forward is impressive

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this is also true

perhaps everything could be simplified to...the best conference is the one making the most money

Top to bottom, I'll go with the SEC. The entire list of teams are as tough as they come. Any SEC team can win on any given Saturday. Vandy schooled Bama. rcansaw beats the real UT. Ole Piss loses to Kentucky..

The teams top to bottom are stronger than the B1G. Unfortunately we cannibalize ourselves in the SEC.

I think the SEC is better from top to bottom. 13/16 SEC teams reached bowl eligibility. Any SEC team can beat any other SEC team on any given Sunday. On 9/28, 4-8 (1-7 SEC) Kentucky stunned 10-3 (5-3 SEC) Ole Miss 20-17 on the road for their only Power 4 win. On 10/5, 7-6 (3-5 SEC) Vanderbilt upset 9-4 (5-3 SEC) Alabama 40-35 and never trailed Alabama. On that same day, 7-6 (3-5 SEC) Arkansas upset 10-3 (6-2 SEC) Tennessee 19-14. Otherwise, Vanderbilt and Arkansas would not have reached bowl eligibility.

In contrast, 12/18 Big 10 teams reached bowl eligibility. 6 Big 10 teams finished 5-7 or worse, including 3 teams that lost 8+ games. The Big 10 won the last two CFP national championships, but the SEC had won 13 of the previous 17 national championships from 2006-2023. Since the BCS/CFP era began in 1998, 6 SEC teams Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU and Tennessee have all won national championships. Oklahoma and Texas won BCS national championships in 2000 and 2005 as Big 12 members. Only 2 Big 10 teams: Ohio State and Michigan have won national championships. With that said, it's undeniable that the Big Ten and the SEC are far superior to the ACC and Big 12.